wooger posted:

That was a bad episode.

Seemed like they were going for comedy for much of it, not just the outfits, but also Patrick Stewart’s Walter Blunt character is leaking out.

Incredibly obvious blade runner ripoff when designing the Freecloud. But also reminded me a bit of the awful scenes from Star Wars episode 2 in the nightclub.

Shaocaholica posted:

Jeri Ryan seems to have aged well. Her character is basically how I feel about the show.

Also how did Picard recognize Seven so quickly? Is it a Borg thing? Because AFAIK they've never met and no way senile old man Picard is going to recognize rando other star fleet.

Ralph Crammed In posted:

They smoke and drink now, this ain't your daddy's Star Trek.

Aren't androids resistant to radiation anyway? Wasn't there a bunch of times they sent Data to do something involving lethal amounts of radiation? Good work Romulan CIA

Captain Hygiene posted:

Honestly I've been wondering about the timing on that but haven't rewatched anything to clarify it. Was the synth hate a longer term thing or was it just a more recent development in that group, after the Mars incident hosed things up for everyone?

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The Zhat Vash was said to be an ancient and secret Romulan cabal. Allegedly thousands upon thousands of years old, it was said to predate the Tal Shiar, which functioned merely as a mask for the Zhat Vash. "Zhat vash" was also a term sometimes used to refer to the dead, the only reliable keepers of secrets. (PIC: "Maps and Legends")

Allegedly, the Zhat Vash operated without regard for treaty or jurisdiction, not just on Romulan worlds, but also in the Klingon Empire, the Gorn Hegemony, and even the Federation. (PIC: "Maps and Legends")

Its sole purpose was claimed to be to keep a secret so profound and terrible that just learning it can break a person's mind. When she was a Tal Shiar recruit, Laris heard a drunk handler claim to her that the organization was motivated by hate, fear and pure unassuageable loathing for artificial intelligence, including androids, AIs, and other forms of synthetic life, which they attempted to seek out and destroy. (PIC: "Maps and Legends")

The story of the "Zhat Vash" was sometimes told to frighten Tal Shiar recruits, with its alleged motives known to very few; Zhaban was largely skeptical of their existence and equated it to stories of "boogeymen". In 2399, former operative Laris related the rumors about the Zhat Vash to retired Admiral Jean-Luc Picard; they came to believe that the Zhat Vash were likely behind the attacks on Dahj Asha on Earth. (PIC: "Maps and Legends")

DancingShade posted:

If any of the writers played Star Trek Online (doubtful) they might have taken the plot of the Tal Shiar being Iconian puppets essentially undermining both their own Empire and the quadrant as a whole to soften everyone up and make way for a massive Iconian invasion force building up inside an extra-galactic dyson sphere. A fleet so large it actually blocked out the sun from within the dyson sphere itself.

That being said it's more likely everything narrative related in Picard is simply a cobbled together amateur rush hour job with a fraction of the planned budget and wholly unrelated to other works they could have drawn from.

piratepilates posted:

Can't wait for The Seventy Five Year Mission to come out and give us all the juicy dirt of what happened during the production of these shitshows*

* In terms of writers being fired and directions being changed, not necessarily a value judgement

Origami Dali posted:

I want a Trek with a crew of nothing but Barclays

Applewhite posted:

Wait what happened to the Orville?

Bonzo posted:

I just want to know why they had to use strange fonts for subtitles. It's like when someone would get all fancy with their Geocities page and tell you download their special font so you can fully enjoy the site.

Rutibex posted:

the original series is best for this. god bless the 1960s

Lister posted:

... Disco season 2... they were wondering what the deal with New Eden was and thought it might have been to act as a base of operations against Control. But the show directly stated that it was Burham's mom just testing to see if history could be changed by using time travel. They also seemed to think it was Michael in the Red Angel suit the whole time, when she only was in it for the red beacons and every other time was her mom.

doctorfrog posted:

More q+a with Michael Chabon. I am not impressed with his work on this show, if I'm understanding which bits of it are his, but he could easily crawl into a hole and retweet congratulatory pap instead of answer any questions, so at least he's done that. I just bolded the stuff I thought was dumb or answered burning questions I had.


stolen from reddit

Hyrax Attack! posted:

And that was the best episode!

They should have had the whole series be “Picard visits old friends”
Ep 1: Checking in with engineering professor O’Brien at an Irish pub
Ep 2: visiting Dr Crusher on the moon
Ep 3: doing a favor for Starfleet by dropping by DS9 to check on something

And so on, final shot Picard enjoys wine at his vineyard with his good dog

w0o0o0o posted:

IIRC he had some kind of degenerative dementia in the TNG finale, but that got retconned into "brain abnormality" for picard.

Bonzo posted:

Ok seriously, what is your actual job when you have a Producer credit? Or am I just looking at fancy titles to justify pay grades or levels of financial investments?

evilmiera posted:

I know I mention it every other time I post about Star Trek, but with quarantine going on I decided to watch The Orville again in preparation for Season 3, and its so refreshing to not only have a thoughtful show again but to actually be able to laugh at the jokes. Picard and humor just did not mix.

Tip posted:

You don't remember the heist episode where Picard pretends to be a French pirate?

infernal machines posted:

Didn't you read Michael Chabon's snarky explanation about how actually they were all different classes of ships because they had different loadouts, a thing that was not in any way visible on screen and made no difference whatsoever to the story?

infernal machines posted:

Prism Mirror Lens posted:

Hey does Trek ever show a humanoid and a non-humanoid in a romantic relationship?

Frog Act posted:

I've never heard of mr plinkett or watched anything from RLM but, despite the goofy voice, it's really heartening to see other people outside of these forums who found nutrek totally intolerable. i couldn't get through picard and gave up after three episodes of romulan kung fu

ed: man this video is really good, I love the way he uses clips from voyager and other shows to really contrast the awfulness of the new shows. but what really gets me are these storyboards. it could have been interesting!

Panzeh posted:

The two reasonable romulan characters ask why Picard doesn't get his old adventuring buddies back and the line he uses to justify it is so bizarre that i don't know why they didn't cut this out because lampshading it made it even worse. "Oh, i don't want to ask my old friends to risk their lives for me, because they would. Welp, time to ask some strangers to risk their lives for me instead." It wouldn't have made much of a difference to have established characters because the plot and pacing is really dumb, though.

Origami Dali posted:

Shooting on film, converting it all to tape, and doing the final edit from the taped footage is the dumbest process. I get it, it streamlined editing for shows that needed a fast turnover, and editing film was far more laborious and costly. And shows were only expected to ever be seen on low res televisions anyway, so sure why not? But because of it being so shortsighted, it pretty much hosed a lot of shows from ever seeing the light of day in their original 35mm quality due to the insane cost to scan the film and re-edit everything, if the film still exists at all. The first show to ever use that process was the 80's Twilight Zone revival, and they just tossed out the film reels after they converted to tape for editing, so it will always look like rear end. So stupid.

Statutory Ape posted:

if you bring your kids to work and work has photon torpedos idk what to tell you

Drink-Mix Man posted:

Hot take: they should put kids back in Star Trek again. They were never my favorite thing in the old shows, but I have to admit that having a few people have their families around definitely served in not letting the setting become overly militaristic.