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Weka
May 5, 2019

And if you gaze long into an abyss, you will say `look, no ring.`

That article is dog poo poo. The skeleton in question was unearthed over a hundred years ago.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka_female_Viking_warrior

Me, I question identifying somebody as a warrior because they are buried with weapons. Nobody is suggesting the women in the oseberg ship burial were sailors. That said, there's plenty of other evidence for Norse women warriors in art.
The trans thing seems to be bizarre shoehorning but I haven't read the book, and again, lovely article so maybe there is some justification.

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Weka
May 5, 2019

And if you gaze long into an abyss, you will say `look, no ring.`

How about a translation recommendation for the Hildebrandslied?

Weka
May 5, 2019

And if you gaze long into an abyss, you will say `look, no ring.`

Thanks!

E: a link to the aforementioned literary translation

https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/source/830hildebrandslied.asp

Weka fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Oct 9, 2020

Weka
May 5, 2019

And if you gaze long into an abyss, you will say `look, no ring.`

How about a light hearted question as a palate cleanser?
Do you regard the war on Christmas as having been started by Christians?

Weka
May 5, 2019

And if you gaze long into an abyss, you will say `look, no ring.`

Yeah I meant in that it seems to be mostly yule with the serial numbers filed of.

Weka
May 5, 2019

And if you gaze long into an abyss, you will say `look, no ring.`

Maybe it's a prank. Bury a dude under your neighbor's house so he gets haunted, that sort of thing.

Weka
May 5, 2019

And if you gaze long into an abyss, you will say `look, no ring.`

I always presumed (in the traditional view) Odin was as bound by fate as the rest of us. I guess I'm transplanting Greek ideas about fate though, are they significantly different?

Weka
May 5, 2019

And if you gaze long into an abyss, you will say `look, no ring.`

Internet Wizard posted:

ibn Fadlan’s account of the “Rus” (considered by most to be misnamed Scandinavians last time I checked) is Viking age and a few centuries later than big scary monsters was interested in. It is a great description of Viking age practices and inspired a couple of scenes in season 1 of the History channel show, including the nose blowing.

I thought Rus was an endonym? Also I'm pretty sure the majority of the inhabitants of the Rus society weren't ethnic Scandinavians just the upper stratas.

Weka
May 5, 2019

And if you gaze long into an abyss, you will say `look, no ring.`

The pattern on that belt seems very reminiscent of some minoan designs. I wonder if it's a coincidence or if the art style came with the bronze technology.


1390-1370 (well atleast the burial)


1600-1500 bc

Weka
May 5, 2019

And if you gaze long into an abyss, you will say `look, no ring.`

Tias posted:

Varangian is just the name given by the Greeks and Kievan Rus' to the non-Rus scandinavians ruling the Kievan Rus.

So in The Tale of Bygone Years aka the Primary Chronicle of the Kievan Rus, Rurik is described as a Varangian and as a Rus. Varangian as you say was a Greek term and Rus seems to have been a Finnic one, whether identical in meaning to or as a sub category of Varangian I'm not sure. Of course ethnic groups change and wiki tells me a couple of centuries later the Slavicized upper classes were called Rus and the identifiably Scandinavians were called some variant of Varangian.

Thanks for the tip re wave patterns and France too.

Weka
May 5, 2019

And if you gaze long into an abyss, you will say `look, no ring.`

Alhazred posted:

The brits on the other hand just called every vaguely norse person a "dane".

Nah.
Wicing (viking) was used in old English although it disappeared in middle English (post norman conquest).
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/wicing

Some British historian, a monastic iirc, referred to two curses or plagues or something on England, the red and the black, in reference to different viking raiders, which I atleast interpreted as Danish and Norwegian. I couldn't find the quote but I did find this, which suggests the vast majority of viking settlers in England where Danish. Please ignore the weird racial essentialism.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/sep/16/dark-hair-was-common-among-vikings-genetic-study-confirms

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Weka
May 5, 2019

And if you gaze long into an abyss, you will say `look, no ring.`

Here's the original study.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2688-8

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