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reignofevil
Nov 7, 2008


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reignofevil
Nov 7, 2008


reignofevil
Nov 7, 2008


Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

I MEAN, TURN OFF YOURE MONITOR, MIGTH EXPLAIN YOUR BAD POSTS, HOPE THIS HELPS?!


Lol, wrekt.

reignofevil
Nov 7, 2008


Mission accomplished! The GLA won't ever be using that train again!

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



splifyphus posted:

This hilarious thread made me discover that practically everything Frank Klepacki has ever done is up on spotify.

e: Also I haven't finished the thread yet but there is a community update of RA1 that runs at modern resolutions on modern OSes and it's wonderful. Requires access to the original game assets and whatnot.

I've tried OpenRA before, but it felt like the AI was "off" from what I remembered. Then I found https://forums.cncnet.org/topic/116...x-mac-32-64bit/ which just patches the original game to work on modern Windows systems. I installed it a couple weeks back and played through a bunch of the Soviet missions. It's pretty good, although kind of hilarious when you run at native resolution: the radar dome becomes almost pointless because you can see the whole map on-screen, but on the other hand it can be really difficult to pick out a particular unit from a blob.

I also learned that I'm not particularly good at Red Alert. Even on easy difficulty, it feels like I'm always just barely hanging in there, fending off constant waves of light tanks and rocket troopers, who are a lot more useful than I remembered.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
mottled gecko

Nap Ghost

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011



We're going to bring a dignified standard of living to all Americans, $69.69 at a time.


Lipstick Apathy

I think I already knew what the gently caress was happening in C&C, but I loved reading it again in this thread. I don't think the story of the Tiberium games is incredible or anything, but GDI and Nod have always resonated with me since playing Tiberian Dawn, and they're probably my favorite fictional factions.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
how about we just not have the toilet cthulhu

I still say they're basically GI Joe and Cobra.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Red Alert & Tiberian Dawn source code will be released under a GPL license alongside the remastered games: https://www.reddit.com/r/commandand...upport/fr97x9x/

CarpenterWalrus
Mar 30, 2010


this awesome thread has inspired me to play through Generals. thanks?

fartknocker
Oct 28, 2012

Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.



Fun Shoe

CarpenterWalrus posted:

this awesome thread has inspired me to play through Generals. thanks?

AK-47s for everyone!

reignofevil
Nov 7, 2008


There is trouble in Dushanbe. The chinese army has been authorized to go nuclear.

reignofevil
Nov 7, 2008




Pictured above on the top left, the chinese army. I'd like to point out that the military hostilities here STARTED when the GLA bombed a mother fuckin' parade.

Spookydonut
Sep 13, 2010

"Hello alien thoughtbeasts! We murder children!"
~our children?~
"Not recently, no!"
~we cool bro~

Pham Nuwen posted:

I've tried OpenRA before, but it felt like the AI was "off" from what I remembered. Then I found https://forums.cncnet.org/topic/116...x-mac-32-64bit/ which just patches the original game to work on modern Windows systems. I installed it a couple weeks back and played through a bunch of the Soviet missions. It's pretty good, although kind of hilarious when you run at native resolution: the radar dome becomes almost pointless because you can see the whole map on-screen, but on the other hand it can be really difficult to pick out a particular unit from a blob.

I also learned that I'm not particularly good at Red Alert. Even on easy difficulty, it feels like I'm always just barely hanging in there, fending off constant waves of light tanks and rocket troopers, who are a lot more useful than I remembered.

it's because C&C1 and RA1 are both 100% scripted in the campaigns, theres no real AI

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe

Despite the horrid racism and jingoism I will give Generals credit for really making flavorful factions.

I especially really liked the gimmick of the GLA vehicles using scrap from destroyed foes to upgrade.

China also had the horde bonus thing that kept their basic infantry and tanks competitive even after you teched up to the overlords. Plus hackers were goofy and cool.

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really


Spookydonut posted:

it's because C&C1 and RA1 are both 100% scripted in the campaigns, theres no real AI

The last GDI mission of the first game got a lot easier for me when I discovered a pair of resource silos in the bottom right (I think) that were outside of the main base that you could capture and sell and they would immediately get rebuilt and refilled with sweet sweet green death crystal bucks.

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

I have no country to fight for; my country is the earth; I am a citizen of the world.

Mokinokaro posted:

Despite the horrid racism and jingoism I will give Generals credit for really making flavorful factions.

I miss the latter golden age RTS

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!


Tulip posted:

An unexplored consequence of the RA universe is that, given the moment and manner in which things got derailed, there's probably a lot more people in the present who have a neutral to positive opinion of Nazis.

Personally I do not want to explore this, but the far funnier "if Einstein's so great why'd he just kill some German guy and not Stalin/the next bad guy after you kill Stalin/the next bad guy after you kill that one"
The actual funniest thing about the RA universe is the fact that Mussolini was in power when Einstein went back in time, and when Tim Curry did, and he didn't manage to make an impact on any alternate timelines. At most he's responsible for popularizing the term fascist enough that it gets applied to the Japanese in RA3.

reignofevil posted:



Someone who knows more about how world war 2 redrew the borders of europe and africa tell me if EA has thought about this map at all and if any of these countries are even possible given the totally hosed up timeline.
It has already been pointed out that this is just the modern borders, but I want to answer your actual question. Sure, technically anything is possible, but the most reasonable explanation within the RA universe for those borders is literally time travelling computer code messing with Soviet computers to show the future borders of an alternate universe. Maybe FutureTech is trying to manipulate all timelines??

Anyway, back to the question of maps in Red Alert - I think pretty much the only time you see a realistic map is the hella sick animation of a dagger dropping on Europe and turning it red during the RA opening. As far as I can tell, that map basically supposes that some sort of nationalist party is in control of Germany, as it has been united with Austria and gobbled up the Czech part of Czechoslovakia. Basically the map of Europe right before the invasion of Poland, which you could explain as just laziness, but it's not like Hitler wasn't tapping into a real desire to unite all the German lands.

Speaking of Poland, I think the most likely outcome of an unholy alliance between the historical allies and a nationalist Germany that crushes Russia would be the inverse of the historical outcome of WW2 in regards to Germany and Poland: Instead of losing its eastern territories and having the Polish population moved west into former German territory, it'd instead lose its western (at one point Prussian) territories to Germany and have the Polish population there moved east into its newly acquired eastern territories which it had lost some centuries before. Bit harder to occupy Russia than Germany though, so maybe just carving out a Cossack Republic in the south with an eye to deny them the majority of their oil production.

Of course the above would be basically be an endpoint of any sort "Red" in the world, so no more "Red Alert" - in that timeline at least. The obvious direction to take the alternative RA2 from the above scenario would be to go the RA3 route and have Nadia go back in time to undermine the SPD and ensure Germany fell to a socialist revolution like Russia. RA2: It's WW2, but this time the Allies are fighting snappily dressed communists. Basically, making the core thing of the RA games that whatever happens in any given timeline, the next game is someone going back in time to try to prevent it based on the knowledge from their timeline, just spitting out one ridiculous timeline after the other.

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014




Hell Gem

Generals/Zero Hour are the best C&C games but I never actually played much of the campaigns (think I got four deep into China), instead getting big into its many, many mods and its bombast. poo poo blows up real good. Btw, the carpet bombing China uses isn't a USA power until Zero Hour, they get Fuel Air Bombs and A-10s instead.

Would be kinda interested in knowing what the gently caress happened in C&C mods like Tiberium Insurrection and MO someday, I bet they go to some wild places.

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company


reignofevil posted:

No joke after we finish up command and conquer alt history I'm gonna launch into an in depth explanation of just what the gently caress was happening in harry turtledove's world war series. Nobody loves harry turtledove more than me!

Command and Conquer history and alt-history is cool but I want this thread ASAP I'm just sayin'

reignofevil
Nov 7, 2008


DivineCoffeeBinge posted:

Command and Conquer history and alt-history is cool but I want this thread ASAP I'm just sayin'

In between putting off updates to this thread and putting off updates to the offworld trading company thread I'm speculating about a trip to the bookstore to fill in the holes in my collection I am deadly serious about this proposed turtledove thread! The same as I'm deadly serious about someday reaching command and conquer zero hour!

reignofevil
Nov 7, 2008


Also thank you A Buttery Pastry for the effort post re: maps and alt history!

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

What is this hippy-dippy BS? We're here to save lives, not teach yoga or start a rave.


Hell Gem

Serious question: did Turtledove have a stroke or something? I loving loved Worldwar and the alternate Confederate victory series because I'm dumb and love trashy alt history. But his latest stuff has been just shockingly bad. And I was really looking forward to his novel set in modern times where the Muslim world was advanced and progressive and Europe was a hyper-conservative shithole but good lord was it badly written.

Spazzle
Jul 5, 2003




Floss Finder

Moon Slayer posted:

Serious question: did Turtledove have a stroke or something? I loving loved Worldwar and the alternate Confederate victory series because I'm dumb and love trashy alt history. But his latest stuff has been just shockingly bad. And I was really looking forward to his novel set in modern times where the Muslim world was advanced and progressive and Europe was a hyper-conservative shithole but good lord was it badly written.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The...f_Rice_and_Salt

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!


reignofevil posted:

Also thank you A Buttery Pastry for the effort post re: maps and alt history!
Least I can do after, you've educated us on the history of the world before Einstein jr. went back in time to convince his dad to drop his time travel plot.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
how about we just not have the toilet cthulhu

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Least I can do after, you've educated us on the history of the world before Einstein jr. went back in time to convince his dad to drop his time travel plot.

I'm picturing him as Trunks with Einstein hair

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting


Fallen Rib

Posting this here, despite it being C&C 1 advertising material.

I think it is fitting to post it during the Generals play through, given that game is pretty on the nose with many topics and depictions.





These ads scream 1990s videogame, like duke nukem or doom ads, or even videocard ads.

And a reminder, the C&C and RA1 remasters come out on steam (and origin) next weekend, head over here for more information: https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...hreadid=3919118

reignofevil
Nov 7, 2008


drunkill posted:

Posting this here, despite it being C&C 1 advertising material.

I think it is fitting to post it during the Generals play through, given that game is pretty on the nose with many topics and depictions.





These ads scream 1990s videogame, like duke nukem or doom ads, or even videocard ads.

And a reminder, the C&C and RA1 remasters come out on steam (and origin) next weekend, head over here for more information: https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...hreadid=3919118

Thanks for the update! Also I had seen those two advertisements before and totally forgotten about them. Good memory on that.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!


drunkill posted:

Posting this here, despite it being C&C 1 advertising material.

I think it is fitting to post it during the Generals play through, given that game is pretty on the nose with many topics and depictions.





These ads scream 1990s videogame, like duke nukem or doom ads, or even videocard ads.

And a reminder, the C&C and RA1 remasters come out on steam (and origin) next weekend, head over here for more information: https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...hreadid=3919118
Wow, pretty hosed up to lump everyone else in with Chirac.

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Spookydonut
Sep 13, 2010

"Hello alien thoughtbeasts! We murder children!"
~our children?~
"Not recently, no!"
~we cool bro~

Taerkar posted:

The last GDI mission of the first game got a lot easier for me when I discovered a pair of resource silos in the bottom right (I think) that were outside of the main base that you could capture and sell and they would immediately get rebuilt and refilled with sweet sweet green death crystal bucks.

There's 3 different maps for the last mission, this is probably the one you mean


Here's the other two

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