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Tias
May 25, 2008

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Hello thread! I'm actually a practicing norse heathen, but I meditate a lot in the tradition of Reggie Ray, and via him, Chogyam Trungpa. Just hanging out and absorbing good dharma over here!

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May 25, 2008

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Very personal story time, and I am deadly serious - I hope you lot can help:

I've been meditating on an experience I had some nine years ago, and which has started infringing on my consciousness again.

At one time, I left this place. As in, my consciousness left my body and was trapped.. outside. I was still in the area, but slightly over my body. It just wasn't anything like the pleasant or calming tales I had heard about out-of-body experiences. Everything was blurred, my consciousness was in searing pain (from where I do not know), and I had an acute sense that my soul or mind had been locked out of consensual reality - in a "hell", or perhaps just the janitorial locker where mind-stuff goes when it is forced out of a person. It is the most horrifying thing I have ever experienced, and I was certain that, could I not get back. If so, I would be outside the world, unable to communicate, and in pain, for an eternity, or until something with the appropriate ability could reach in and get me out.

At some point I blacked out, and was 'reinserted' or 'respawned', for lack of other words. I just suddenly realized it was some days later and I was doing something that wasn't being left outside my body in that terrible void. Now, I have paranoia-like tendrils reaching into my mind when I meditate, saying it could come back.

Can someone give me the buddhist perspective on these events? Have I messed up my dharma somehow, and can people suddenly go to hells before they die?

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May 25, 2008

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I mean in the sense of a blackout. One moment I was locked in the outside, then a blackout happens where I don't know what goes on (similar to drinking too much) and then suddenly I realize I'm actually back in my body, carrying on. As if I was snatched out of the world and reinserted a little time later.

E: though this is only as I recall it, and was from a period in time where I had several psychotic episodes and some degree of delusion. I don't expect you to give a perfect diagnosis with so unreliable a description, but I'm extremely worried that I will gently caress up my eternal soul here.

Tias fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Mar 3, 2020

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May 25, 2008

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One or two days later.

I too have an inkling that someone saw and took pity. If so, I should hope said mercy can be mine again.

E: I can, yes, but the fear of something going wrong insinuates itself when I'm being in the present.

Tias fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Mar 3, 2020

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May 25, 2008

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I ran this by a doc who does psych evaluations for a living, and she said the most relevant parts are textbook psychosis or schizophrenic behaviour, which calms me a lot. Head problems I can deal with, extreme cosmic horror is another deal entirely.

Thanks a lot for your feedback, it allayed some fears when I was very scared.

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May 25, 2008

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You're a good guy, Paramemetic. Just do what you can, it's all we ever can.

Also, that Jack Kornfeld guy is super online, and has a buddhist podcast - there's even a Corona meditation up! https://jackkornfield.com/compassion-in-the-time-of-coronavirus/

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May 25, 2008

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My sponsor got me a kneeling chair, it's awesome. I won't go into lotus as I don't see a reason.

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May 25, 2008

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Agreed, I enjoyed drawing the waters between animism and buddhism with y'all :)

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May 25, 2008

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While SA appears to be saved (sorry reincarnailures :haw: ), a vibrant discord has sprung up around Religionthread, and we officially invite all of you to come in:

https://discord.gg/kVX5Av

Like it's threadsake it's largely various denominations of christianity, but there's a scattering of jews, buddhists and norse animists as well!

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May 25, 2008

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I was poking around Penrose's thoughts about consciousness, and suddenly thought: What do buddhists think?

Did the buddha ever say where consciousness comes from? Is the same consciousness reincarnated?

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May 25, 2008

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Nessus posted:

I always thought the Mormons were considerate because their theory is that after you die, on judgment day or whatever, you will be greeted by angels and have everything explained to you, possibly by Jesus Himself, so you will be able to make a completely informed decision.

And you know, fair enough. I don't think that's how it works, but it shows a certain positive sentiment about the cosmos that a lot of these stories lack.

I wonder if they have any monastic orders...

This comes up between a good mormon friend of mine and me a lot. He has taken the Aaronian priesthood (sp?) and so has started baptizing his long dead protestant and catholic family members as mormons. He doesn't seem to see a problem in this, nor in baptizing other dead if he had the time and inclination.

As a devout member of another faith, I think this kind of knocking on my spirits door to be at best ignorant, and at worst hostile intrusion. If it was more like some mormons, when and if they turn out to be right (and only then), showing up to kindly let me into paradise if I agree to, that's a better situation.

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May 25, 2008

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Good on you, but it will probably not lead to lasting enlightenment. Most DMT heads I've met keep doing it regularly and switch to smoking pure base in order to get 'more' enlightenment and/or out of despair with the world they live in.

The psychedelic FAQ which I read for the first time prior to doing my first mushrooms 15 years ago puts it well:

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Some call the highest plateau Satori enlightenment, instant Zen, Nirvana etc etc. You may find many of these Eastern terms used in conjunction with psychedelic drugs. In my (humble) opinion, true Zen enlightenment is reached only when the ego has been completely overcome, only when the 'ox' has been tracked, tamed and ridden back to town. This, unfortunately cannot be achieved in the altered reality of the tripping universe. The 'flashes' of Satori which may be experienced by the fortunate whilst tripping, are perceived as momentary periods of absolute peace and calm, periods where for a short time, the ego is so diffused, that the mind is no longer enslaved by many of the passions that normally arise.

In other words, you have to train your mind to let go of the passions, desires and confusions that are somewhat removed by entheogenic drugs, if you want the real deal.

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May 25, 2008

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Man, I wish I could have a job where the receptionist could tell callers I was 'wandering the temple grounds'. Perhaps I shall :allears:

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May 25, 2008

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The boddhisatva re-regs in spite of the suffering involved, that all posters may be enlightened

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May 25, 2008

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Thirteen Orphans posted:

I appreciate your saying that. I haven’t given up yet! Whether that’s tenacious or foolish only God knows at this point.

Hey TO,

I'm sad that you didn't get into the monastery, and I just wanted to offer some thoughts that came to me will reading something that is, admittedly, quite different; an anthology of pagan and polytheist monastics. Since theirs (and my) faiths are either made up whole cloth in the 1800s or reconstructed from dead practices that have no unbroken lineages of priesthood or other authorities, they tend to be very open and take in most people who ask.

I don't say this because I think you should become pagan, on the contrary, I had another thought: Do you really need to be accepted by an established monastery to become a christian monk? Like, if the eye of their needle is too small, are there other possibilities? I'm thinking yes, since christianitys history is rife with original sects who struck out on their own. Why not try to make a catholic living collective? Or contact catholic businesses and families and see if they want a live-in trying for a simpler life in service?

I could be off, so disregard at your leisure - I just had the thought and it seemed relevant.

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Thirteen Orphans posted:

Those are fair points and I appreciate your input. For me it comes down to the kind of relationship I feel God wants from me. In Catholicism, being a canonically consecrated person has expectations and responsibilities. To be in a community of consecrated people has its own expectations and responsibilities. To be in a monastic community under the Rule of St. Benedict has it’s own expectations and responsibilities. I won’t bore the people in the thread with the details, but suffice to say that living in a monastery of St. Benedict’s order utilizes many of my strengths and offers assistance for some of my weaknesses. For example, I have a hard time praying the five hours/offices of the Liturgy of the Hours by myself with regularity, but when I was coming together with the monastic community to pray them I had no problem.

Do you have to be somehow approved by the Benedictines to start your own collective who helps each other doing this liturgy?

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May 25, 2008

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Friend of mine raised the following question:

"Question for the observant folks in the room:

In Judaism, a Bracha Levatala (blessing in vain) is forbidden per the Torah. It is roughly equivalent to taking Christ's or the Lord's name in vain.

A practical application of this would be "thoughts and prayers" whenever these mass murders take place -- if you're not actually doing anything about the problem, then the act of prayer itself is purely performative, and thus a sin.

Is there an equivalent concept in Buddhism, Catholicism, Hinduism, or Islam (listed alphabetically -- apologies if any majors were missed)?"

To which I *think* I'm pretty sure buddhism has bans on well-wishing and encouraging platitudes not followed by right action - but I don't know. What is your take?

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May 25, 2008

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That is exactly what I was thinking. Thanks!

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May 25, 2008

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On the other hand, porn addiction is super unpleasant and painful, so perhaps that is choosing the lesser of two bad attractions.

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May 25, 2008

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Demi- and asexuality exists and is valid. I went years of my life without real sexual desire as a young person. I won't say depression or whatever didn't play in, but it does happen without feeling repressed.

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May 25, 2008

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Can anyone give me the tl;dr explanation of what Shambhala is?

Like, it's supposed to be hidden in western Tibet, but I also get the kind of vibe that it's actually a "pure land" or spiritual kingdom that can only be accessed esoterically. Can both be true at the same time?

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May 25, 2008

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Virgil Vox posted:

Is like each car alive or is the being just the original MazdaOS.car file? can you meet your miata in the Brahma realm? ens or pets of the devas were decided to be alive but had no consciousness , and perhaps ai are similar.

I mean, not a buddhist here, but we animists lean heavily towards yes: that miata either has it's own spirit, created for it, or is the repurposed spirit of, say, a horse cart. Be good to it

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May 25, 2008

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mandatory disclaimer: I'm not a buddhist, nor do I claim to know what it's like being trans in America, except through all the news on the subject I try to take in.

I just heard a podcast where Lodro Rinzler (guy who wrote "The Buddha Walks Into a Bar", Shambhala guy) talked about meeting a women whose son murdered a child and voiced a lot of the same notions you do here. He couldn't exactly comfort her, but she comforted herself realizing that everyone, even people who exhibit psychopathic or sociopathic violence, have buddha nature within somewhere.

Also, keep in mind that those hateful fuckers aren't the only human beings in Florida. There's a whole lot of trans people and allies in the south who are going to make hell hot for these people. Maybe meet up with some of them and discuss ways of resisting?

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May 25, 2008

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Attaining enlightenment through bideo james is so goon-appropriate I think we have to condone it, really.

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May 25, 2008

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ram dass in hell posted:

mercy springs effortlessly from a heart-mind without expectation or comparison; to cultivate mercy in and of itself is not a bad thing, but it is akin to forcing oneself to burp thinking it will cure one's hunger, because those that are well-fed burp. the bodhisattva of compassion is not a bodhisattva because they are compassionate, they are compassionate because they are a bodhisattva

I never liked this argument, to me it sorta implies that mercy is pointless without enlightenment, which it honestly cannot be.

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