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I don't know what the hell this movie is, but I said I could do the OP's job, and dammit, that's what I'm going to do. The old OP failed to mention this was movie was produced by 20th Century Fox. This mean Fox released both this and Star Wars in the same year. This is about regular-rear end wizards (1977) though and not space wizards. I think. I've never watched this movie, I don't know anything about it, but I assume Wizards (1977) and Star Wars (1977) are the same thing but one's in space. So I guess this should be in the Star Wars forum but gently caress it.  The OP was very excited about this being a Ralph Bakshi film, but me, a layman, have no idea what a Ralph Bakshi is. That means I'm going to give an unfiltered, unbiased analysis of this movie, so you better be loving prepared.  The original screenshot only had "WIZARDS", but I felt it'd be better to eliminate confusion and clarify that, indeed, this is Wizards (1977) and not The Wizard (1989). Many people in the original thread made that mistake, so it's my duty to make things clear that, no, sadly Fred Savage does not show up in this movie. If there's enough requests, though, I can photoshop Fred Savage into some screenshots and have him say, "That's Wizard!"  I'm not going to show all the credits, but most of them are relevant as far as me talking poo poo about them. For instance, this lets us know there's someone named "Avatar". As someone coming into this completely blind, "Avatar" seems like a really stupid loving name, but then I'm coming into this from a person living in the year 2020, when the concept of an avatar has been run into the ground thanks to lazy video games and other media. I'm sure the whole concept worked much better in 1977, when there weren't blue bow-wielding gently caress creatures or Elder Scrolls abominations to associate the word with. Do note I have never watched Avatar: The Last Airbender. I have my hands full enough with Wizards (1977)!  There's a character called Weehawk. I can already tell this is going to be either very good or very bad, there's no middle ground with this movie.  I know, this is unrelated to the actual movie, but come the gently caress on, the man's name is Mike Ploog.  This seems redundant with the "A Ralph Bakshi Film" opening card, but if you wrote, directed, and produced your movie, gently caress it, give yourself two credits. You've earned it. ----- Anyway, this is only the OP. We're not going to actually get into the movie yet. It took long enough to write this thing up! I'll start the actual movie later maybe.
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Shelf butt faerie would be a pretty good username.
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hell yea buckling in for the ride
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oh yah ive seen this one its hosed lol
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I saw this movie when I was a kid and I found it disturbing. This is from someone who loved the surprisingly graphic Watership Down, so despite my vague memory of Wizards, I would trust my childhood opinion that it was in fact disturbing. Not the kind of delightful fantasy one would expect from a film with this title. Big time spoilers ahead. Some of the characters find some ancient film reels or something about Hitler / the Nazis and get INSPIRED! They start adopting some of their philosophies or tactics. Swastikas, too...?. I already knew what the Holocaust was, so this development in the story just horrified me. Maybe it is something that would have been more meaningful to adults as a look into human nature or a political satire, but I was just shocked that the film took this turn. Nazis? In MY elf cartoon? I never had the desire to watch it again to figure out if I had missed something about this when I was a kid. Anyone who enjoyed this movie, feel free to share what you liked about it, because it made little me quite uncomfortable.
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just for the sake of edification, Ralph Bakshi is a pretty much legendary animation director who's almost singlehandedly responsible for adult animation existing, as a concept, in the West Wizards isn't his most historically important movie, that'd be either Fritz the Cat or Coonskin, but it's probably one of his best
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also re the Nazi thing, Wizards is very very bluntly antifa as gently caress and has the villains be literal Nazis to drive that home, you'd probably be less uncomfortable as an adult
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Cool.green chicken feet posted:Anyone who enjoyed this movie, feel free to share what you liked about it, because it made little me quite uncomfortable. This movie is balls-out crazy. And it drives home the fact that ideas and motivations can be poison, and that the sins of the past can haunt reality forever if they aren't properly warned against. Plus, I can't think of a more effective strategy to drive home how evil the bad guy is than to make him Hitler 2.0. My favorite part is the guy screaming about how his buddy was killed by stinkin' yellow faeries, and then the supposedly-dead dude gets up and tries to calm the hysterical soldier, and in his disappointment the theatrical guy shoots the guy who he thought was dead, and then he gets to have his monologue again!
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This movie's comic timing is the pits, like it has characters do jokes but they just stand there and deliver the lines with no acting or animation matching it. It feels super amateurish and incompetent.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:also re the Nazi thing, Wizards is very very bluntly antifa as gently caress and has the villains be literal Nazis to drive that home, you'd probably be less uncomfortable as an adult Actually it sounds like I now might appreciate the movie a lot more. There's no way I could have picked up on the anti-fascist message. Little me was too busy being freaked out. I was legitilmately afraid that Nazis would arise in the US someday and try to pick up where Hitler left off. Now... We approach that point more quickly than I'd have thought possible. After a long time of being politically blase, 2016 was a wake-up call for me as for many. I'm really excited about the primaries and election. Hey everyone in the USA, get out there and vote, because it's on us if we don't!
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Obsidianheart posted:...it drives home the fact that ideas and motivations can be poison, and that the sins of the past can haunt reality forever if they aren't properly warned against. Yeah, I can safely say that as an elementary school kid I didn't pick up on this.
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I think it's kind of hosed up how he made the people born physically deformed be the nazis but other than that it's got good messaging on the dangers of fash propaganda.
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green chicken feet posted:Hey everyone in the USA, get out there and vote, because it's on us if we don't! what is this im seeing here, can someone tell me
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comedyblissoption posted:this is scab labor and smdh at anyone who crosses the picket line to take a gander at Mega64's scab posting noooooo scaaaaabs
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super sweet best pal posted:I think it's kind of hosed up how he made the people born physically deformed be the nazis but other than that it's got good messaging on the dangers of fash propaganda. Just lol if you don't think that elf's ears are deformed. Or the fairy's chest.
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free hubcaps posted:what is this im seeing here, can someone tell me Tying into the concept of preventing fascism - we need to get out there and vote our conscience. Or we're partially to blame, too Just spreading my own Rock the Vote message I guess. Wizards chat may now resume 
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Movie is dumb and inscrutable even for you elder goons who were around when it was released because it’s just drug ideas
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imagine thinking Wizards has a message other than Ralph fuckin' loves drugs and wanted LOTR so bad
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why does a fantasy / post-apocalypse movie use the generic cyber computer font for its title-cards?
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Heavy Metal is superior in every single way and even he admitted it by doing Fire & Ice
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Klyith posted:why does a fantasy / post-apocalypse movie use the generic cyber computer font for its title-cards? It looked futuristic back then.
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Ralph had it, and then he didn't. it's hard out here for a rotoscoper.
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Klyith posted:why does a fantasy / post-apocalypse movie use the generic cyber computer font for its title-cards? it's a good font
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I was going to start the actual movie last night but I was more tired than I thought so I'll start on that this afternoon. Based on this thread's comments so far, I'm in for a hell of a ride!
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Calling Wizard Master.
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Bobcats posted:Movie is dumb and inscrutable even for you elder goons who were around when it was released because it’s just drug ideas Million Ghosts posted:imagine thinking Wizards has a message other than Ralph fuckin' loves drugs and wanted LOTR so bad LoL maybe try watching the movie with your glasses on and the sound turned up next time! The movie is about the drive for control and the horrors of war. The Nazi propaganda footage is so powerful that it emboldens the Nazi Orcs, and the carnage is so terrible that the elves and faeries literally cannot comprehend what’s happening, the excessive violence break their brains. In a world of scimitars and arrows, things like tanks and bombs are so far beyond the scope of their experience that they are left helpless in the wake of their fear. It’s also a powerful treatise on how the notion of peace is a farce. There is not, and cannot be, a peaceful reconciliation with a violent oppressor. It doesn’t matter what you read, or watch, or believe in. If someone wants to control you, to make you their slave and their toy, you aren’t getting out of that scenario with peace and fancy words, you are doing it by breaking their neck. Violence begets violence, but violence is also the answer. Also who cares if it’s a drug movie, lots of good movies are drug movies.
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green chicken feet posted:Hey everyone in the USA, get out there and vote, because it's on us if we don't! If you were serious about preventing fascism in America, you'd tell people to outright vote for left wing candidates because the republicans will support Trump no matter what, the impeachment trial was proof of that. This guy gets it: Bust Rodd posted:It’s also a powerful treatise on how the notion of peace is a farce. There is not, and cannot be, a peaceful reconciliation with a violent oppressor. It doesn’t matter what you read, or watch, or believe in. If someone wants to control you, to make you their slave and their toy, you aren’t getting out of that scenario with peace and fancy words, you are doing it by breaking their neck.
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Bakshi only had a career because back then DeviantArt didn't exist so if weird perverts wanted to get boners at cartoons with nipples they had to sit through some boomer burnout's weird treatise on Israel to get them.
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Sometimes Hitler don't shoot himself. That's when you gotta shoot him. But be careful, he is a wizard this time.
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Sleeveless posted:Bakshi only had a career because back then DeviantArt didn't exist so if weird perverts wanted to get boners at cartoons with nipples they had to sit through some boomer burnout's weird treatise on Israel to get them. Well it's good that it worked out because he's a great cartoonist.
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This is a tremendous thread for people telling on themselves.
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I don't think I've ever seen a Bashki movie all the way through. Every single time I try to sit through one of them I get bored af. The only value I've ever seen in studying them was to realize "oh so dudes wanked it to cartoons all the time before the internet."
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I'm working on it OK https://i.imgur.com/rpWPQ0D.mp4 Do you all want me to include subtitles for the screenshots or to leave them out?
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Wizards (1997) is like what if Inglorious Bastards had fairies with massive tits? Suck on that toe Tarantino!
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