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Beyond the obvious poo poo like killing millions of people all the time with transporters, there's other maybe even darker poo poo people just gloss over. Like look at the federation and earth, they always talk about how its a paradise, no one wants for anything, there's no money, people can do whatever they want, everyone can have whatever they want, but that's only true up to a point- What do all the humans in high ranking positions in the government and military of the federation have in common? They are all earth landowners. Land in an abstract sense is freely available to everyone, if they're willing to fly to another planet and live there, but there is only a finite amount of land on Earth, and everything is run by people who own land on Earth. Also there is no money. No buying land, no selling land. So the only way to get land on earth is to inherit it, the only title is the allodial blood title. Its the feudal system back, but back forever. By getting rid of money and commerce the landed gentry got rid of burghers and by abolishing riches they abolished the nouveau riche. Plus no money means no property or inheritance tax. It took them like a thousand years or whatever but they won. Take captain picard, younger son of a prominent landowning earth family. His elder brother inherited and is a gentleman farmer running a vast estate vineyard. He joined the military and quickly climbed the ranks to be captain of the flagship because of his social background. He's in "the club" and it shows. He's a nobleman and he acts like it. His first officer Riker, earth landowning family and son of a gentleman diplomat. Captain Janeway, earth landowning family background. Captain Kirk, earth landowning family background. Captain Sisko, earth landowning family background. Say you claim its unfair you can't get some land of your own on earth, what will they tell you? Tough luck, its all taken and nobody's selling. Go live on some other planet, its yours, all the land you want, free! But you know its not the same. If you're from Tau Bogan 9 you wont get to be captain of a starship or an admiral or the ambassador to vulcans, you'll get to be a space mechanic or a nurse or maybe a scientist or physician if you're real smart.
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FunkyAl posted:The federation preaches tolerance, yet every time anyone meets a ferengi they open with something like "Your duplicitous schemes and beady eyes won't work on me! You were born from slime on a planet of mud. Begone from my sight!" Quark saves deep space nine like 20 times before Sisko even looks him in the eye. What's up with that? ds9 is all about how the federation are sanctimonious racists, ferengi and cardassians the 2 big examples
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CainFortea posted:That's not how the transporter works tho. yes it is
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SlothfulCobra posted:They say it's not so it's not because that's how fiction works. It moves your atoms from point to point with scifi magic through an energy beam just like a car moves your atoms from point to point with an engine through somebody's backyard. Thats not how it works no
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Squizzle posted:hakimashou is finishing a postdoc in fake magic for idiots who cant understand fiction. youd better defer to him on this before you embarrass yrself thats Dr. hakimashou please
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CainFortea posted:No it isn't. It certainly is!
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Finger Prince posted:Tons isn't a unit of energy. You're no einstein thats for sure! A ton is 8.1533714586 x 10^19 joules of energy 1 US ton is 907,185 grams 907,185 grams is 5.08893441381487 x 10^38 electronvolts 5.08893441381487 x 10^38 electronvolts is 8.1533714586 x 10^19 joules hakimashou fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Mar 1, 2020 |
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CainFortea posted:It's important to note that even Barkley, who's a hypochondriac especially when it comes to transporter stuff, is never once concerned that he is dying and being reborn. He was either tricked, or else truly believes in Parfitian ideas about identity. It would be very easy to trick people, just make everyone go through a transporter and ask them "did you die?"
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Zane posted:why would there be a necessary division of labour of any kind? why would there be labour or capital? all the categories of classically derivative political economy are irrelevant. a replicator can just make it. It cannot make more land on earth, which is why the human military and political elite is dominated by earth landowning families.
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CainFortea posted:Like, one captain has a vineyard. Read the thread op!
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CainFortea posted:lol I looked it up and you're super wrong about this. "Kathryn Janeway was born on May 20 in Bloomington, Indiana, on Earth. Her father was Vice Admiral Janeway" "She grew up on the great plains surrounding her grandfather's farm in Indiana." Its a fantastic example and extremely strong support. They are an earth landowning family that are also hereditary political/military elites.
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Squizzle posted:ssshh. shush. you dont try to convince smg and haki that theyre wrong—they exist to post funny misunderstandings of nerd pop media. you engage them by riffing off their posts,.or by giving them new material to bounce off of. trying to engage them directly in discourse is just going to lead you in circles Its not a misunderstanding, its a fact. The human part of the federation is run by a landowning elite from earth. There are countless billions of people all around the galaxy, and scarcity has been eliminated for almost everything, everything except land on earth. And since there is no money or commerce, the land isnt bought or sold but inherited by blood from generation to generation. Inside the idealized post scarcity social utopia of star trek is another idealized utopia, a utopia of allodial blood title to land, a utopia without burghers or nouveau riche. A different dream come true. And what do we see again and again in the tv show? Humans in positions of power come from earth landowning families.
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Ds9 is about the federation being the bad guys. They side with the bajorans against the cardassians because bajorans look more like humans. You even have starfleet officers using ethnic slurs about cardassians.
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Squizzle posted:there are way better agricultural planets then earth that people can do farming poo poo on Ya thats the post scarcity thing, want a farm? have a free one on some nice planet enjoy! But you cant get into the earth landower club.
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It probably replicates a living horse.
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CainFortea posted:She has no interest in horses. Not every woman does ya know. The transporter creates people without a soul every day
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CaptainSkinny posted:First you breathe in. Then comes a tricky part, you have to exhale. Nobody is making GBS threads up this thread, least of all people talking about ways star trek is all hosed up!
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The ferengis were better because if they found people they would teach and help them.
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bajorans arent warp capable but the federation still broke the prime directive to gently caress with the hated 'spoonhead' other, and then ofc to preserve their venal interest in the wormhole
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CainFortea posted:Goonswarm is a WH40k gimmick, not a star trek gimmick. That's the dental thing. starfleet dental was started by gene roddenberry
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The federation is space america so if america is expansionist or imperialist then so is the federation
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CainFortea posted:We have 3 nations on this planet that are surrounded entirely by other countries and aren't annexed. Only 3 are left?
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Deep Space 9 is interesting because the writers made the bajorans a composite of all the worst things about people, especially through the usual star trek lens, but then tried to portray them as a sort of protagonist, which never made any sense until you realize they aren't actually the protagonists, and the federation isn't the 'good guys' in the show. Violent, xenophobic, ignorant, superstitious, dishonest, un-egalitarian, etc
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