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Hal Incandenza posted:I revaluated and came up with I should have pushed you harder yesterday since the guy we killed instead of you was town. Talking about incorrect meta cases, you know I control the game as scum. I didn’t do that yesterday. I hunted and pecked around, landing on you. I don’t really understand your case. It seems fake because I know you don’t believe this is how I play scum, especially with the hambeet kill choice on top of it.
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Hal also is never this confident about a read as town. This is his scum game. ##vite Hal
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Mar 2, 2020 03:22
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drat merk I can’t believe you vite’d me It’s true you wouldn’t normally kill hambeet but maybe you didn’t care what your scumbuddy did
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Hal Incandenza posted:drat merk I can’t believe you vite’d me Naw, that right there is false. I've been in a scum chat with Merk and he will push hard to get what he wants. ##vote hum I like my case on them about their activity around ETR.
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Mar 2, 2020 03:34
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Hal Incandenza posted:Just feels like your scum game, you threw shade all over including on Sandwolf but then left your vote in a safe worthless place based on a terrible incorrect meta case. You haven't felt like you are invested in any read you've made and that isn't really your MO as town this expresses most of the weirdness i feel about merk, though i admittedly havent seen his scum game but also Hal Incandenza posted:It’s true you wouldn’t normally kill hambeet but maybe you didn’t care what your scumbuddy did this seems like a weird line of reasoning???
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Mar 2, 2020 04:18
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4 votes to execute with 2 scum alive so im gonna be real careful about putting my vote anywhere
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merk posted:Talking about incorrect meta cases, you know I control the game as scum. I didn’t do that yesterday. I hunted and pecked around, landing on you. This feels like someone frantically waving and yelling “see how I’m NOT doing this????”
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Mar 2, 2020 06:00
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Amnistar posted:Naw, that right there is false. I've been in a scum chat with Merk and he will push hard to get what he wants. The case everyone else disagrees with?
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in dont necessarily agree with amni's case (or understand what case he's actually talking about), but i do agree with his take that humalong may possibly be scum. ive been feeling a way about him since d1, but humalong isn't a player you can just "have gut feels" about without solid reasons, since he's legit an incredible asset to town. the thing is, i still dont have those reasons, but the gut feels are still there. this is a small, highly vanilla game, which means im out of my comfort zone, but i think now's a good time to lay my cards on the table and say im suspicious of humalong
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Mar 2, 2020 07:49
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Mr. Steak posted:in dont necessarily agree with amni's case (or understand what case he's actually talking about), but i do agree with his take that humalong may possibly be scum. Well this is a complete 180 from your stance day 1 What an interesting turn!
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dmboogie posted:anyway this means the setup is one of these two this is important. the only difference between the two is that we either have a town jailer or a tracker. ideally, in my opinion, we have a tracker, because we know for a fact scum has a rolecop which means we can reasonably assume they are both visiting someone at night, so if the tracker sees ANYBODY else visit anyone, then the tracker can instantly know without any doubt that the person they targeted is scum, and if they saw someone visit nobody, then *most likely* (unless scum withheld the rolecop) the tracker can know they targeted town. WAY more useful than jailer so i'm hoping for that. if we have a jailer instead though, i guess its more powerful in a smaller number of situations by blocking kills and simultaneously cluing that whoever they targeted (when theres a blocked kill) has 50/50 chance of being scum. my suggestion to the jailer, which should be obvious but whatever im saying it anyway: jail a different person every night. youre the last town power role, so theres no one to really try protecting. eventually you'll either successfully block a kill, or the game ends first. also, pay close attention to the person you targeted n1 because not only do you know they werent the scum goon, but you also know they weren't targeted by scum, which means there's a chance they're the scum rolecop. just something to keep in mind. my suggestion to the vanilla towns out there: try to figure out on your own who might be the tracker, because we dont want them to feel like they need to ever claim, and crossing someone off the scumlist is really valuable in this small game. we know that unless they targeted hambeet last night, the tracker *definitely* basically copped someone, so a sudden change in reads might... you know. and tracker, youre our cop now. dont gently caress it up lol
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Mar 2, 2020 08:05
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Mar 2, 2020 08:12
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Mr. Humalong posted:This feels like someone frantically waving and yelling “see how I’m NOT doing this????” It’s me trying to understand where he’s coming from and falling very short.
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Mar 2, 2020 13:15
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Mr. Humalong posted:The case everyone else disagrees with? That's a really interesting defense there. And it makes me secure with my vote.
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Mar 2, 2020 13:50
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Hal, you never actually made a case on me. What is the case?
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Mar 2, 2020 13:56
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Votecount for Day 2  merk (2): Hal Incandenza, Eat The Rich Mr. Humalong (1): Amnistar Not Voting (4): dmboogie, merk, Mr. Humalong, Mr. SteakWith 7 alive, it's 4 votes to execute. The current deadline is March 03rd, 2020 at 10 p.m. EST -- that's in about 1 day, 14 hours.
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Mar 2, 2020 13:59
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I'm going to look at the d1 deadline some when I get back from a doctor's appointment.
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Mar 2, 2020 14:01
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Well, d1 deadline wasn't that complicated. The only thing I got from it is that I don't think Humalong is scum. Him putting his neck out to lynch Sandwolf over me when both of us are town is not a play scum I think would need to make. It puts too much heat on him when Sandwolf flips town.
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Mar 2, 2020 14:22
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Hal voting me today saying he's "sure" of it with no case and a refusal to re-evaluate the game even in spite of evidence that this isn't my scum game (hambeet nightkill) is my best case right now.
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Mar 2, 2020 14:23
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Amnistar posted:That's a really interesting defense there. And it makes me secure with my vote. Yeah no need to bother casing anyone else today
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Mar 2, 2020 16:09
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Mr. Humalong posted:Yeah no need to bother casing anyone else today Scum team is you and ETR. There are only 2 scum, and I've got my 2 slots filled out.
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Mar 2, 2020 16:26
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If I end up being wrong, then of course I'll revisit the thread. And if something happens that warrants changing my mind, I will. But I'm not going to case people when I already have 2 people I find suspect.
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Mar 2, 2020 16:28
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Amnistar posted:If I end up being wrong, then of course I'll revisit the thread. And if something happens that warrants changing my mind, I will. did you ever case etr....? why are they scum?
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Mar 2, 2020 16:40
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also, re-evaluating and strengthening cases is a thing. if people arent seeing things in your case, then its your job as concerned town to make a better case to convince the other townies to vote for scum. one townie happening to be right doesnt make town win
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Mar 2, 2020 16:43
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now that im looking, amni, you've barely said anything about humalong either. what's with the "ive already done my casing" attitude?
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Mar 2, 2020 16:47
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Mr. Steak posted:now that im looking, amni, you've barely said anything about humalong either. what's with the "ive already done my casing" attitude? Humalong's defense of ETR reads as scum trying to keep a scum buddy from being Cuddled. Pretty sure I talked about this already with Merk. ETR is posting the same way they did in the cult game where they were cult. I have no qualms revisiting my cases, and did so, my conclusion was the original cases are still valid.
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Mar 2, 2020 16:53
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If Humalong is scum, ETR being his buddy isn’t a bad read next. But what if Humalong isn’t scum?
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Mar 2, 2020 17:02
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merk posted:If Humalong is scum, ETR being his buddy isn’t a bad read next. But what if Humalong isn’t scum? I'd be looking at steak next, probably.
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Mar 2, 2020 17:03
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Hal Incandenza posted:Humalong were you bussing steak early? Both of you are at the top of my scum list I like Hal and Steak, but it’s a if Hal, then Steak.
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Mar 2, 2020 17:07
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Hal Incandenza posted:Steak is definitely different but he also gets killed all the time and yelled at for posting too much nonsense so I wonder if he's just adjusting. Post 2 for the distancing / defense.
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Mar 2, 2020 17:08
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merk posted:I like Hal and Steak, but it’s a if Hal, then Steak. um, i'm still sus on hal from before so i'm not a big fan of this take
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Mar 2, 2020 17:20
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Mr. Steak posted:um, i'm still sus on hal from before so i'm not a big fan of this take Cool. Let’s vote Hal then.
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Mar 2, 2020 17:32
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ETR is still high on my list along with Steak Gonna reread Hal when I get home. Running errands on this, my Saturday
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Mar 2, 2020 20:54
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Mr. Steak posted:this is important. the only difference between the two is that we either have a town jailer or a tracker. Steak put a ton of effort into this post but not much effort into scum hunting. I'm biased on him because I think it's Hal->Steak, but this rises him up in my list generally too.
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Mar 2, 2020 20:55
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That post is the reason I would turn to steak if hum isnt scum.
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Mar 2, 2020 21:03
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Counterpoint: anyone know what my meta is when I'm town?
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Mar 2, 2020 23:30
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In my experience you post your role pm 
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Mar 2, 2020 23:42
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Amnistar posted:In my experience you post your role pm Don't tempt me with a good time
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Amnistar posted:Humalong's defense of ETR reads as scum trying to keep a scum buddy from being Cuddled. Pretty sure I talked about this already with Merk. and I still say hum's ETR on Day 1 was obviously ooc-motivated due to inviting them to play this game, and they gave up on that near the end of the phase
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