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Sagebrush posted:Shouldn't it be fine if the first place you went on a clean install was directly to malwarebytes' download page or whatever there were botnets scanning for the open ports on IP ranges, so an exploitable bug would get found eventually. the idea that your computer would immediately get compromised as soon as you went online is a massive exaggeration, but you should install the service packs and any updates in a timely fashion just to be sure
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yummycheese posted:I’m pretty sure XP SP1 is when a built in firewall came with the OS. and not enabled by default until SP2.
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yeah, blaster came well after xp was released. pretty sure it was some of the impetus to add a firewall to windows
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Sweevo posted:there were botnets scanning for the open ports on IP ranges, so an exploitable bug would get found eventually. the idea that your computer would immediately get compromised as soon as you went online is a massive exaggeration, but you should install the service packs and any updates in a timely fashion just to be sure Pretty sure at some point the average time for a fresh install to be infected was 5 minutes. It was ok towards the beginning, but over time it got really bad.
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with W98 there was a lot of reinstalls. you had the Zonealarm installer on a different drive/partition, and installed the OS with the ethernet cable unplugged. install ZA, then plug in the cable and install updates. so many portscanners and xploits.
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axolotl farmer posted:with W98 there was a lot of reinstalls. you had the Zonealarm installer on a different drive/partition, and installed the OS with the ethernet cable unplugged. if you were on ethernet at home, you were probably safe. nat was already common place on broadband. dialup users and universities with wide open networks and enough routable ips for everyone were the real problem spots
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nudgenudgetilt posted:if you were on ethernet at home, you were probably safe. nat was already common place on broadband. the early days of cable internet before DOCSIS and any sort of standards or security, and you were essentially on the same ethernet segment as everyone in your neighborhood
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kitten smoothie posted:the early days of cable internet before DOCSIS and any sort of standards or security, and you were essentially on the same ethernet segment as everyone in your neighborhood with docsis you still were technically, it was also kinda-sorta nat. i posted a bit about it before but one of the ways you used to be able to "uncap" a cable modem was by waiting for someone else's modem to initialize and capturing the tftp traffic when their modem would request a configuration
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Volmarias posted:No, because the system had ports open by default for things that were wormable. Just being connected to the Internet was risky. The updates for 98 would disable their being on by default, but if you didn't have a firewall it was a race against time to pull the necessary updates and then disconnect. nudgenudgetilt posted:if you were on ethernet at home, you were probably safe. nat was already common place on broadband. yep! what was the hot one going around fall 2003? i got popped on-campus and had to get a sp disc from IT and confirm i flattened and reinstalled offline before they'd enable access again it was so endemic they weren't even phased yummycheese posted:I’m pretty sure XP SP1 is when a built in firewall came with the OS. didn't someone here work on ZA's ui? it looked pretty sharp at the time in my ME box
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blaster i was working university helldesk. such a poo poo show.
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Agile Vector posted:didn't someone here work on ZA's ui? it looked pretty sharp at the time in my ME box qirex did iirc
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I was 15 when blaster hit our family computer and my father was absolutely sure that I brought it, because the viruses "don't just come from the Internet on their own!". Dumbass
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Agile Vector posted:didn't someone here work on ZA's ui? it looked pretty sharp at the time in my ME box
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ZA loving owned. being able to just tell a program "gently caress you, no you can't access the internet" was a game changer.
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Do Yak Baks count for the purposes of this thread?
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greg the peanut posted:Do Yak Baks count for the purposes of this thread? yes
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Sweevo posted:ZA loving owned. being able to just tell a program "gently caress you, no you can't access the internet" was a game changer.
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I've probably told this story elsewhere, but the version of MSblast I eventually caught was a variant that the common removal tool couldn't grok, so I had to rip it out by hand, I never felt more hacker montage since, it would try it's darnedest to hide and reinstall itself as you removed it!
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Quaint Quail Quilt posted:I've probably told this story elsewhere, but the version of MSblast I eventually caught was a variant that the common removal tool couldn't grok, so I had to rip it out by hand, I never felt more hacker montage since, it would try it's darnedest to hide and reinstall itself as you removed it! did you have to get someone else to come in and type on the same keyboard for maximum hacking?
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when i was in high-school over the xmas break one year they decided to upgrade all the PCs in the school to windows XP. however they didnt bother to install any service packs before hooking them up to the internet so about a week before school started they allll got infected with viruses and poo poo. apparently the sole sysadmin had to spend that whole weekend working flat-out to re-image and patch alllll the machines before school started. good times. also i had a minidisc player in highschool it was dope. well at least until i got an ipod mini edit: oh yeah around the same time i downloaded windows XP SP1 over dial-up. i kicked off the download before i left for school at around 8AM and when i got home at 3:30PM it was just finishing. not long after we upgraded to 512Kb ADSL which blew my fuckin mind
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I'm pretty sure we had like 10 people sharing one 8mb cable line at some point and it was still mind blowing..torrenting Linux isos at 200kb/s! I was stuck on 7mbps DSL until 2019 and then only got a better connection because I literally moved house. a mere 80mbps now
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My current ISP offers 10Gb symmetric for €30/month but you have to use their equipment and 1Gb for €20 is already more than we'll need for the foreseeable future. But still I really want to do it because 10Gb holy poo poo!!!!
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other people posted:My current ISP offers 10Gb symmetric for €30/month but you have to use their equipment and 1Gb for €20 is already more than we'll need for the foreseeable future. But still I really want to do it because 10Gb holy poo poo!!!! prices here aren't that good, 200m symmetric for like $80/month. think it's only like another $20/mo to jump to 1gb but it just seems silly at that point. if i had other people living with me or was regularly clogging my pipe i'd totally go for it but as it is i still kinda marvel at having a faster internet connection than "fast ethernet"
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lmao 1Gb 10Gb you lucky motherfuckers. im paying AU$60/month for FTTB delivered as VDSL2 and capped at 100/40. pretty much the best possible service i can get here. tbh it's actually been rock-solid, ZERO service disruptions or performance degradation in the ~6 years ive had it. also i was able to ditch the Huawei modem they gave me for a Cisco ISR 897VA, thankfully they publish all their service config details like data VLAN and poo poo so config was easy. honestly thinking on it im prolly in a real good situation internet-wise compared to most aussies. so many horror stories of people on FTTN suffering with sub-ADSL1 speeds.
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fiber to the butt?
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Carthag Tuek posted:i pay $7/mo for gigabit fiber I had Gigabit fiber at our last house, but our current one can only get DSL and Cable  I miss my 900mb synchronous connection..
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DELETE CASCADE posted:fiber to the butt way ahead of you
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rotor posted:way ahead of you looks more like your behind
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rotor posted:way ahead of you lol
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other people posted:we had an airbnb for a few days with a more modern inside-out toaster like this. other than seeming very dangerous it didn't seem to work any better than a normal toaster. sad i had one of these but got rid of it, black and decker “arize” toaster. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJzxWuzAZyo if the bred is a little bit droopy or likely to fall over at all, the guard holing the toast vertical is simply inadequate -just the two wires you can see in that video preview. if it falls over or bends a little bit because it isn’t already toast, the motor just keeps going and crams the bred into the heating element and sets your house on fire. no flames in the video but you can see the issue. amazon reviews are full of people making the obvious pun. 
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