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Jim Silly-Balls posted:I distinctly recall in the early days of windows 10 they said it would be the last version of windows and they’d just keep updating it and deprecating older versions of it. no, and that is essentially what they did. windows as a service is real and it sucks hard windows 11 kinda is a service pack. unless you explicitly opt out (and even then, it still does it anyway) most machines will just auto update
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the real problem with windows development is going from small, closed betas with testers that were qualified to bug report and opine on features to literally all beta tests all the time, rolled out publicly and without any process for getting feedback to someone that can actually act on it
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Feb 28, 2023 17:26
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yeah, ultimately 11 is perfectly passable. i upgraded for wslg and don't hate it enough to downgrade when that got backported to 10. but with that backport reality is that just about every change is a wash or for the worse. and the worse is all the worse is all the worse for it being obvious that people have put in real effort making it worse. worse.
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Beeftweeter posted:the real problem with windows development is going from small, closed betas with testers that were qualified to bug report and opine on features to literally all beta tests all the time, rolled out publicly and without any process for getting feedback to someone that can actually act on it nah i think they get tons of valid feedback from users that is just totally ignored by dumbass product managers either because the product manager is an idiot (ui changes) or because they have a mandate from on high to gently caress things up (bing integration)
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Shaggar posted:the big problem w/ windows 11 is UI regressions like loving up the context menu for no reason or loving up the start menu with icon grid. yeah i have no problem with the performance updates when they work and there is a clear reason for switching, but most of them have been not that
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Feb 28, 2023 17:27
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Shaggar posted:nah i think they get tons of valid feedback from users that is just totally ignored by dumbass product managers either because the product manager is an idiot (ui changes) or because they have a mandate from on high to gently caress things up (bing integration) i mean, i'm sure they did at some point but making everything a beta test probably made the SNR completely useless to act on
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windows telemetry is probably massively useful, but whether they decide to actually pay attention to it is a totally different question.
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Shaggar posted:windows telemetry is probably massively useful, but whether they decide to actually pay attention to it is a totally different question. if the result is windows 11 i think it's safe to say they are completely ignoring it. i haven't run into anyone that actually likes it without a bunch of "tweaks" that could break at any moment should microsoft choose to actually remove the functionality
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Feb 28, 2023 17:38
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the data they get from telemetry is only going to be data from people too dumb to disable telemetry
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Feb 28, 2023 17:48
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I mainly have a poor opinion of 11 because ms keeps trying to trick me into installing it
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Feb 28, 2023 18:05
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:I mainly have a poor opinion of 11 because ms keeps trying to trick me into installing it this is it for me. if it's so good you wouldnt have to try to sneak "click this button for sunshine and rainbows" poo poo in on 9am on a saturday when i havent had my coffe
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Feb 28, 2023 18:10
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infernal machines makes this point in the microsoft thread too, and is correct: way more than any particular functionality or choice microsoft is burning a ton of (otherwise mostly earned) goodwill basically asking a reasonable question and then ignoring the answer. and similar poo poo. there aren't very obtrusive ads in 11, nor is it really spying on you, but it keeps showing the ad even when you already have the thing, and they do keep asking if they can spy on you. much as i like edge it is genuinely the forefront of this. i can't recommend it to my mom, as there's no way it would not be full of bing garbage sooner or later, as it keeps asking until you give the answer it likes.
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Feb 28, 2023 18:18
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for baseline fairness i am also in year 10 of basically every visit to google or gmail having them intrusively asking if i shouldn't be on chrome, but that is a real sad level to be fair on.
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Feb 28, 2023 18:21
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feels like a lot of change for changes sake too like, gotta differentiate
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Feb 28, 2023 18:52
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echinopsis posted:feels like a lot of change for changes sake too This is my thought on it too, again, it should have just been a major update to 10 with a UI refresh. Functionally there isnt much difference between them in ways your average user cares about Just give me "Windows" and I run whatever the latest version is. They really need to copy Mac OS on this one.
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Feb 28, 2023 19:08
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both of them need to stop with the rapid development rolling update bullshit. macos is not immune to this either, it is noticeably worse than it was even 5 years ago
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Beeftweeter posted:both of them need to stop with the rapid development rolling update bullshit. macos is not immune to this either, it is noticeably worse than it was even 5 years ago :jazzhands: Agile! :jazzhands:
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Feb 28, 2023 19:24
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:there aren't very obtrusive ads in 11 I would like there to be no ads in my computer operating system
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njsykora posted:I would like there to be no ads in my computer operating system mostly fair, but with ubuntu and windows both being out (probably macos too tbqh, i have no idea of status, but bound to be nagging about apple tv or icloud poo poo somewhere) you just wind up a bit off the mainstream at this rate.
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Feb 28, 2023 19:51
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:mostly fair, but with ubuntu and windows both being out (probably macos too tbqh, i have no idea of status, but bound to be nagging about apple tv or icloud poo poo somewhere) you just wind up a bit off the mainstream at this rate. i use a macbook and macos does not constantly shove ads in my face, though hearing that even linux distros are getting infested with ads now is quite funny
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Feb 28, 2023 21:54
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DELETE CASCADE posted:winders vister
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Feb 28, 2023 22:02
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njsykora posted:i use a macbook and macos does not constantly shove ads in my face, though hearing that even linux distros are getting infested with ads now is quite funny may very well be. the only windows ads i've ever seen are two buttons in the settings for onedrive and o365, which i hate, because i already have them and it's real dumb they show them anyway. meanwhile ios has nagged me to hell about icloud, apple arcade, and apple tv, in various places, but macos being the more serious sibling i sure don't know that it does anything of the sort.
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Feb 28, 2023 22:07
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oh, and loving app store ads, a plague. of course microsoft will get them the moment there's apps worth advertising, but blessed freedom so far.
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Feb 28, 2023 22:10
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the gnome software center doesn't have ads 
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other people posted:the gnome software center doesn't have ads apt does though e: for those not following along 
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Also windows 11's BS system requirements of at least a 9th gen CPU, when you can change a registry setting and it will install and run just fine on anything that Windows 10 would run on, minus 32-bit CPU's, but those are pretty rare these days
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Feb 28, 2023 22:16
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:apt does though maybe it does in ubuntu, but ubuntu sucks
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:apt does though i dunno i haven't used a non-rpm distro in decades. I mean, it's just ubuntu that does the stupid ads thing, right? Surely apt on other deb distros doesn't do that...
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Feb 28, 2023 22:22
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lol ubuntu pro. What a great name.
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i mean, yeah: apt on debian does not advertise ubuntu pro
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oh, sorry, i confused matters, the distro *that people actually use* has ads in its package manager.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:ios has nagged me to hell about icloud, apple arcade, and apple tv, in various places, but macos being the more serious sibling i sure don't know that it does anything of the sort. oh yeah ios does that a fair bit, but none of that's come to macos yet, also every few weeks my pc bugs me to link my pc to my phone on startup and no absofuckinglutely not why would i do that
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Volmarias posted::jazzhands: Agile! :jazzhands: the first time i learned about agile in college i thought each sprint was supposed to be followed by some sort of analogy to rest where you work on bugs or something, which would be great. instead development managers managed to come up with a concept where you just sprint forever with no rest in between. basically what i'm saying is there needs to be a snow leopard-style release every couple years to keep on top of bugs.
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carry on then posted:the first time i learned about agile in college i thought each sprint was supposed to be followed by some sort of analogy to rest where you work on bugs or something, which would be great. instead development managers managed to come up with a concept where you just sprint forever with no rest in between. what we did on some of my previous teams is that we set aside like 20% of our points for each sprint for tech debt and bugfixin and so forth, but we could trade that away and do it next sprint and it often ended up as every fifth sprint was tech debt sprint and it was honestly real good rotor fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Mar 1, 2023 |
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Also windows 11's BS system requirements of at least a 9th gen CPU, when you can change a registry setting and it will install and run just fine on anything that Windows 10 would run on, minus 32-bit CPU's, but those are pretty rare these days Let these poor people have a reason to give out as to why they need to break backwards compatibility with the pentium 4. carry on then posted:the first time i learned about agile in college i thought each sprint was supposed to be followed by some sort of analogy to rest where you work on bugs or something, which would be great. instead development managers managed to come up with a concept where you just sprint forever with no rest in between. You shouldn't be doing only feature work, bugs should be added as tasks to the backlog to be pulled in as well, and the team velocity should reflect that. You can have Tech Debt Sprints every so often too, to clean up the crap in a more organized fashion (e.g. we really need to refactor the old Foo pattern we use for the Butt handler because it's getting brittle, spend 2 weeks doing only that). All gas no brakes might sound nice for managers or whatever but you should absolutely be assuming bug fixing is there.
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njsykora posted:all this is really telling me is that the most famous thing amstrad ever made was actually long after its time   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TJKxOKS0GY
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i got a new RTX 3080 last week and was super psyched to install it in my PC however it turns out the loving thing is too tall and cant clear the tool-less bracket thingo in my case. it only needs like 7mm to clear it so i was half jokingly thinking of filing the corner of the PCB down and that reminded me of this funy computer classic:
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video cards are all hueg like the Xbox now.
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