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Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009




Olds posted:

I don't know how after the Jupiter Roosevelt mission you aren't all convinced Wave 2 agents are robots/cyborgs/androids.

Then Wave 2 agents are old tech because blinder firefly still missfires (and some other skills too). Black Tusk tech is much more reliable and they could just do some Breakpoint crossover bringing some Skell Technologyģ

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Olds
Oct 17, 2005


Statutory Ape posted:

we addressed the PTSD factor quite recently actualy

Didn't quite address the whole EMP pulse that when modified no longer cooks normal human beings but heavily damages Division Agents only.

Guillermus posted:

Then Wave 2 agents are old tech because blinder firefly still missfires (and some other skills too). Black Tusk tech is much more reliable and they could just do some Breakpoint crossover bringing some Skell Technologyģ

We're the obsolete unsupported T-800 models to the fancy new Black Tusk T-1000s.

Olds fucked around with this message at 14:53 on May 16, 2020

HatJudge
Oct 11, 2012

Not a hat


Fun Shoe

When I started playing I was finding cosmetics in a bunch of containers all over DC. It dried up after a while. Is this because there's a set amount of stuff you can find in the open world or are the pickups static and I've found all of the obvious ones?

The selection is pretty disappointing, and I've found my character's look by now. But. You know. Stuff for my stuff box.

Sinteres
Mar 26, 2004
Please don't be rude, it upsets me when I'm trying to be smug

HatJudge posted:

When I started playing I was finding cosmetics in a bunch of containers all over DC. It dried up after a while. Is this because there's a set amount of stuff you can find in the open world or are the pickups static and I've found all of the obvious ones?

The selection is pretty disappointing, and I've found my character's look by now. But. You know. Stuff for my stuff box.

You got them all. I went through the same thing, where I felt like there had to be more, but the free/non-lootbox selection is pretty limited.

Statutory Ape
Sep 12, 2017



I enjoyed all the character customization stuff from ghost recon: wildlands and was kinda surprised that effectively none of it made it into this game

UnknownMercenary
Oct 31, 2011

I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD


Sinteres posted:

You got them all. I went through the same thing, where I felt like there had to be more, but the free/non-lootbox selection is pretty limited.

Yep. I still get new clothing items from the in-game currency vendor in Div1 after like 800 hours, but I was done with the 'free' drops in Div2 after 100. Everything else is from apparel events or opening the randomized boxes.

HatJudge
Oct 11, 2012

Not a hat


Fun Shoe

I'm not surprised, but it's good to know. I'm usually not the kind of person who spends money on microtransactions, but with the amount of time I'm spending on this game they could probably have coaxed some cash out if me if the selection was better.

MunchE
Sep 7, 2000
Hot Damn, I finally bought a custom title!

Sinteres posted:

You got them all. I went through the same thing, where I felt like there had to be more, but the free/non-lootbox selection is pretty limited.

Even more limited is what you can get by using whatever the yellow currency is you get for dupes. drat near everything requires actual dollars in dues. But idgaf because your armor covers it all anyhow

UnknownMercenary
Oct 31, 2011

I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD


Most of the drops are free anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it, and they added a separate "free" currency for buying cosmetics that's specifically for new players. You missed a few exclusive masks tied to events but that's about it.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002

Don't fuckle with Shuckle(s)

Like that other Shuckle, but different.


skaianDestiny posted:

The mobile game Girls' Frontline will have a collab with the Division. Release date sometime this winter.



if they add anime to Division 2 I'll play again.

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream


Looking at the mobile game its literally gun waifus. I guess it fits.

Sinteres
Mar 26, 2004
Please don't be rude, it upsets me when I'm trying to be smug

MunchE posted:

Even more limited is what you can get by using whatever the yellow currency is you get for dupes. drat near everything requires actual dollars in dues. But idgaf because your armor covers it all anyhow

You'd think they'd give an option to hide your armor so people would want to buy more cosmetics, but for some reason they really want to force everyone to stay tacticool.

Grobbit
Jan 20, 2009


So having completed all the main story missions, done with Tier 5, unlocked all the additional specialisations and just have the final few side quests to complete I've just seen that WoNY is on sale on the UK PSN store for 30% off.

I feel I've got an pretty amazing amount of fun just pootling around the base game (which i got for £8) that another £18 seems pretty reasonable for more of the same. Just a pain that I'm finally approaching the stage when I'm just about finished filling out my recalibration library and now I gather that I've got to restart all the loot+gear collection / library filling as it's all now obsolete with the expansion.

Statutory Ape
Sep 12, 2017



Sinteres posted:

but for some reason

they decided it was a better of use time/money to gently caress up the release so bad that they had to spend all their time adjusting core gameplay concepts to make the game attractive to bargain shoppers at an 80% discount which they still basically failed at doing

what iteration of loot system are we on? i assume the crossover between gi JOE/barbie wannabes and those that prefer a steady and understandable loot system that doesnt rip the carpet out every 4 months is p high

actually honestly gently caress this game. i just remembered how much time i spent running in from playing the game to go and delete guns i looted one by one. it doesnt deserve anybody playing it frankly so anything they have is a blessing they should be thankful for

loving loot shooter where they make getting loot not only boring, but a laborious chore that literally forces you to constantly end gameplay.

its fun and the literal only ppl i recommend it to are those that i think i can sucker into playing a free $10 game ill buy them

Statutory Ape fucked around with this message at 10:44 on May 17, 2020

Casnorf
Jun 14, 2002

Never drive a car when you're a fish

You seem angry about a game that's not really your thing anymore. Are you for some reason unable to play anything else?

I mean, I really like the game for two or three weeks at a time, then I wander off and play something else for a bit until I get the itch to shoot and loot again. Usually there's new content or a system revamp by then and I get to explore the game all over until I wanna play something else. It's not like there's a shortage of games out there.

Sinteres
Mar 26, 2004
Please don't be rude, it upsets me when I'm trying to be smug

I like that the back half of the season rewards are pretty unexciting so I don't feel bad that I'm probably going to end up around 50, most of that coming just from doing the manhunt stuff. If there was a super cool outfit at the end instead of just a gear dye, I still wouldn't drop 50 dollars just to finish leveling, and this late in probably wouldn't go crazy trying to get 50 more levels either, but this way I don't resent them for making me feel like I missed out on something awesome.

I guess the flip side is that if I'd played enough to hit 100 I might be disappointed that it didn't culminate in something better. It'll be interesting to see how they decide to handle it in future seasons, since on the one hand they want to give people incentives to keep playing, but on the other hand they want people to feel like they get enough out of the pass even if they don't hit 100 that they'll buy it.

MunchE
Sep 7, 2000
Hot Damn, I finally bought a custom title!

Casnorf posted:

You seem angry about a game that's not really your thing anymore. Are you for some reason unable to play anything else?

I mean, I really like the game for two or three weeks at a time, then I wander off and play something else for a bit until I get the itch to shoot and loot again. Usually there's new content or a system revamp by then and I get to explore the game all over until I wanna play something else. It's not like there's a shortage of games out there.

Seriously. I have a whole steam library full of unplayed games. Why I'd write a 5 paragraph rant about how much I hate one of them instead of just playing the other ones I don't know. Homedude needs to take that poo poo back to reddit.

Torquemada
Oct 21, 2010

Drei Gläser


Yeah, I played a ton when I got WoNY, then did as much as possible of the last apparel event. Took a break, did a league, then the zombie event. Going to finish up Jupiter then take a break probably. Come back for the next apparel event.

BexGu
Jan 9, 2004

This fucking day....

So if my friends bought the game from the Uplay store what ate the odds they can get the expamsion through the Epic Store with the extra $10 dollar off.

Psion
Dec 13, 2002



loot as junk when you loot something bad, break down/sell in bulk when you're full or done with a mission or whatever. No need to do anything one at a time.

so not only are they mad and need to take a break but they also neglected to use the best QOL this franchise has ever offered!

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010



BexGu posted:

So if my friends bought the game from the Uplay store what ate the odds they can get the expamsion through the Epic Store with the extra $10 dollar off.

I think you have to buy something $15 or more first to get a coupon on EGS. It's one of those self-reinforcing sales.

BexGu
Jan 9, 2004

This fucking day....

Kibayasu posted:

I think you have to buy something $15 or more first to get a coupon on EGS. It's one of those self-reinforcing sales.

I'm more concerned/wondering if the uplay/epic can actually share keys om a account if bought from different stores.

Aesis
Oct 9, 2012
Article 21(4)
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social ethics or harass the women in Customer Service.


They donít share keys afaik. Presumably you have to have record of purchase on EGS for EGS coupon, and vice versa.

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010



BexGu posted:

I'm more concerned/wondering if the uplay/epic can actually share keys om a account if bought from different stores.

I know if you buy Ubisoft games on Steam you have to register them to a uplay account when you launch them. Once you do that you don't even need Steam any more. Unfortunately I don't know if the same is true for EGS. There may be additional complications when its an expansion.

I guess maybe try to find someone who bought an Assassin's Creed game or Anno or something on EGS? That could at least tell you if a game is registered on uplay after launching it on EGS. The expansion question remains though.

Mr. Carlisle
Jul 14, 2007





With uplay games you're lucky if you even get a key at all anymore - usually the store you bought it from just makes you link your uplay account to activate it instead of giving you a key

UnknownMercenary
Oct 31, 2011

I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD


So here's something interesting: after you've finished the manhunt, if you reset your progress and do them again, each of the main targets (Neptune, Venus, Saturn, Mercury, Jupiter) can drop season items. This drop pool includes items that are otherwise DZ only. I've gotten new copies of Manic, Good Times and Everlasting Gaze, which don't drop in the LZ outside of this specific case. You might get unlucky and also get items that can already be dropped in the LZ, but at least this is something of an incentive to replay the manhunt.

Statutory Ape
Sep 12, 2017



This is a loot shooter that has had horrible loot systems since inception. I isolated one aspect that imo rightfully deserves ire because they hosed it up

If you can't handle reading an opinion you disagree with consider putting me on ignore, but this game has been mishandled from it's inception in a lot of ways

Go ahead and tell me how I'm wrong but please gently caress off with the go to reddit crybaby poo poo.

Sorry I ruined whatever version of this game you think doesn't deserve scorn lol

This game can barely get positively compared to its own prequel itt lmao

nerdz
Oct 12, 2004


Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.


Grimey Drawer

I think it's ok to have fun with the game while constantly making GBS threads on it because of its flaws like most of the regulars. Most people who have been playing since release get your frustration. I won't act like I've been duped into spending hundreds of hours in this game though, since I'm likely to come back once the PTS hits

jabro
Mar 25, 2003

July Mock Draft 2014

1st PLACE
RUNNER-UP
got the knowshon



lol everyone was commenting on you spending the time to write an incoherent diatribe for something you think is so awful and being completely wrong about deleting items. If you can't handle being called out on something maybe you should go to reddit.

Statutory Ape
Sep 12, 2017



jabro posted:

lol everyone was commenting on you spending the time to write an incoherent diatribe for something you think is so awful and being completely wrong about deleting items. If you can't handle being called out on something maybe you should go to reddit.

Deleting items is annoying because it's still inventory management. The fact that you can spend time doing it one by one to disintegrate them doesn't really phase me from a gameplay perspective

That's fine if you don't understand or like my posting , that's largely how I feel about the game you love with regards to it's itemization and loot.

The loot being broken was a reference to the fact that the itemization has been revamped a number of times, which, it sounds like you just may be unfamiliar with

I don't hate this game and I know how the loot works and it may surprise you that my distaste for it is based on managing it at all, and the fact that a loot shooter had completely incomprehensible loot for...idk.. most of its existence.

I'm not going to go to reddit and we can literally discuss this forever, I'm getting paid to post at you right now and it's the end of the world.

Seekhay
Sep 11, 2001



College Slice

I just wish they would bring back ambient NPCs and clothing options from Division 1, I miss looking like a regular civilian instead of TIER 1 OPERATOR COMING THROUGH or a complete comedy clown.

I donít miss having to craft all the attachments though. I love playing gun Barbie and Division 2 handles that so much better.

They should really just port in the original game maps and assets. Also underground. Please bring underground back.

Any who Iím still enjoying farting around DC and bitching about crappy loot while sipping bourbon, with goons. Ymmv.

Casnorf
Jun 14, 2002

Never drive a car when you're a fish

Statutory Ape posted:

it's the end of the world.

Maybe for you? Your experience is not the only experience there is.

Isn't "inventory management" basically an assumed risk in any loot game? Maybe I'm misreading your text but having to handle items is kind of a necessary component of having items with incremental statistics.

Every one of your posts reads like someone who can't let go. Maybe of your anger or of your general sense of powerlessness to affect any larger situation. That honestly would make a lot of sense, because complaining to an indifferent void that something you actually like isn't quite exactly perfect fits that like the old datagloves in a skill build.

I ain't gonna tell you what to do, my fellow fan of a ludicrous looter shooter. I still think having weapon damage percent as a stat is fundamentally broken and should be removed entirely if you wanna fix most of the game's problems from a design doc level but that's my hill and you have yours.

Statutory Ape
Sep 12, 2017



The void isn't indifferent and complaining about the loot and related systems has been going on itt forever

I'm not sorry that some people got distinctly rubbed the wrong way by it

Save the psychoanalysis for somebody else though you weirdo

Wamdoodle
May 15, 2007

Yes, it is what it looks like!

Grimey Drawer

lol dude ok

Casnorf
Jun 14, 2002

Never drive a car when you're a fish

If y'can't figure the sucker at the table...

UnknownMercenary
Oct 31, 2011

I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD


Seekhay posted:

I just wish they would bring back ambient NPCs and clothing options from Division 1, I miss looking like a regular civilian instead of TIER 1 OPERATOR COMING THROUGH or a complete comedy clown.

I don’t miss having to craft all the attachments though. I love playing gun Barbie and Division 2 handles that so much better.

They should really just port in the original game maps and assets. Also underground. Please bring underground back.

Any who I’m still enjoying farting around DC and bitching about crappy loot while sipping bourbon, with goons. Ymmv.

The funny thing is, the most common complaint is that there aren't enough tacticool TIER ONE OPERATOR clothing options. Pretty much every pubbie either wears the tacticool poo poo from the Christmas apparel event or the White Tusk outfit.

I wish they'd let us recolor clothing, or just do it Div1 style and give us tons of color swaps of the basic clothing.

Statutory Ape
Sep 12, 2017



I like running around in jeans and a t-shirt in games like this with minimal backpack interference

Also games with high level of character customization lead to some pretty hilarious pairings.

I'd love it if they added a ghillie suit because having the one guy running around like a dumb bush amidst a sea of operators is funny to me

That being said, I understand that most people that play this probably want to be an operator with, for whatever reason, a bookbag

Mr. Carlisle
Jul 14, 2007





Seekhay posted:

I just wish they would bring back ambient NPCs

That was one thing that really added to the atmosphere and gave it a human touch. I really liked the mechanic of giving citizens food in exchange for gear and cosmetics. You felt like you were helping people in need and you were rewarded for it with lots of cosmetics. Seeing the really sad scenes play out where people were dying on the street from the virus etc really made it feel like the world was bigger than you and the common person was struggling just to survive.

Now its like nobody in the world exists unless they're a green bar faction NPC shooting at a red bar faction NPC.

Sinteres
Mar 26, 2004
Please don't be rude, it upsets me when I'm trying to be smug

The Wastelanders update will fix all of that.

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Roman
Aug 8, 2002



Mr. Carlisle posted:

That was one thing that really added to the atmosphere and gave it a human touch. I really liked the mechanic of giving citizens food in exchange for gear and cosmetics. You felt like you were helping people in need and you were rewarded for it with lots of cosmetics.
they got kinda annoying after a while though. like coming up to you while you were doing stuff in your inventory.

which i could see as a commentary on how people in authority would start out helping people and being sympathetic, then becoming numbed and jaded and contemptuous of the people they're supposed to be helping

still, citizens, please leave me alone while I'm trying on new hats. I don't need your purple handgun, thanks

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