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hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm."

John Stamos

Upset Trowel

E-Tank posted:

Honestly the reason I dropped from playing is because I think the out of raid healing is the dumbest possible thing ever.

Like seriously, games like this live and die on how fast you can get back out, and if you're bad like me, your scav run ended basically five seconds after it started, and your PMC run didn't last much longer either. Congratulations, now you can either wait an agonizingly slow time or burn medical supplies in order to play again, medical supplies you need in raid in case you get injured.

Add to that that most bullets suck unless you're going strictly Mosin Nagants, which are still expensive for newbies, and if you're closer than 5 meters that bolt action is going to be the death of you, it just got too frustrating to bother with.

They added a button to the post raid screen that just heals you instantly

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Ice Fist
Jun 20, 2012

^^ Please send feedback to beefstache911@hotmail.com, this is not a joke that 'stache is the real deal. Serious assessments only. ^^


You guys complaining about market barons are missing the forest for the trees. Market Barons were a problem, but weren't really the problem. The problem is that buying gear from vendors is gated via the quest system and the quest system sucks. The flea market allowed you to circumvent it and get gear, at a premium, on the flea market. This was a good and cool thing. I could go to any map I wanted without having to worry about whether or not I was making progress on collecting obscure poo poo for a glorified wall of text with a picture so I can unlock foregrips and better ammo.

None of this matters anyways, I'm not playing this game again until the quest system is better or they take the chains off the flea market. I've dumped hundreds of hours into this game and done the quest chains 4ish times now. Just not interested in the same lovely loop. I might play for a bit just to see if Streets of Tarkov meets any of the hype, but I'm not holding my breath.

idiotsavant
Jun 4, 2000


ShowTime posted:

But only like 10% of the playerbase plays like that.
And you know this from...? Reading reddit since you apparently havenít played the game in what, 6+ months?

Either way Iíll let the extremely generous ďrealistic military simĒ concept stand. But the devs also created a player-run market system, and rather than encourage or even manage emergent forms of play that have come about through that system the devs make increasingly ham-handed attempts to suffocate it.

Itís confusing to me, because more diverse forms of play = more players = more playerbase stability = more money to maintain, update, and grow your game but BSG doesnít seem to understand or care about any of that. And whatís *really* confusing is when people who donít even play the loving game come in to say stupid poo poo about how ďwell thatís not what Nikita intended ok??Ē like itís supposed to excuse bad design.

Moonshine Rhyme
Mar 26, 2010

Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate

E-Tank posted:

Honestly the reason I dropped from playing is because I think the out of raid healing is the dumbest possible thing ever.

Like seriously, games like this live and die on how fast you can get back out, and if you're bad like me, your scav run ended basically five seconds after it started, and your PMC run didn't last much longer either. Congratulations, now you can either wait an agonizingly slow time or burn medical supplies in order to play again, medical supplies you need in raid in case you get injured.

Add to that that most bullets suck unless you're going strictly Mosin Nagants, which are still expensive for newbies, and if you're closer than 5 meters that bolt action is going to be the death of you, it just got too frustrating to bother with.

Not a particularly valid argument considering you can pay to heal directly from therapist for cheap

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.


Ice Fist posted:

The problem is that buying gear from vendors is gated via the quest system and the quest system sucks.

This... the quest system is just actively lovely. The "go to this place/mark this thing" are fine, but all the other quests are just tedious bullshit.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


Jaeger needs to gently caress off with his dumb gimmicks. The Punisher series is annoying enough but managable.

Oysters Autobio
Mar 13, 2017


Other than getting rid of the gimmicky Jaeger type quests, while I also am not a fan of the current system, I struggle to think of meaningful quests that would work well with the game mechanics. Other then retrieval and marker type quests, what else could they even really have that would work in a raid?

I see this as a common complaint but questing in MMOs I feel have always sucked and filled with retrieval and farming items. ETS doesn't seem all that different from other MMOs but then again my most recent MMO experience was WoW in the late 2000s.

NJersey
Dec 1, 2008


anyone complaining about this game after 2 wipes is embarrassing themselves and should learn to love this janky russian game in all its vodka soaked glory.
this thread should be clips of funny in game stuff, fun loadouts, tips, other goofy poo poo because most of us have played 5+ wipes that have come with a million changes and will most likely be playing the next 5 wipes.

like why the gently caress is anyone bothering with a hideout and quests these days lol just grab a fuckin mosin and play

Gabriel S.
May 20, 2006

I WILL KEEP IMMIGRANT CHILDREN IN A LOCKBOX, AND THAT PAYS DOWN THE NATIONAL DEBT.

Put this Nazi Scientist fuck on ignore immediately!


How come I am completely unable to get the "switch scopes" function to work with the HAMR Scope?

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm."

John Stamos

Upset Trowel

Gabriel S. posted:

How come I am completely unable to get the "switch scopes" function to work with the HAMR Scope?

what are you trying to switch it to

Oysters Autobio
Mar 13, 2017


I feel like I'm the only one who likes the recent FIR market changes. I like that after I killed a really geared PMC or raider, that I actually end up using his kit instead of just selling it right away and finding the best min/max loadout to buy instead. For example, I got a FLIR during the last twitch drops, and if I could actually sell it there's no way in hell that I would ever use it. But, because its not FIR, and I would only net small amounts of money selling it to traders, I''m actually going to go into a night time woods raid instead of constantly having gear fear and running only budget loadouts. Yeah, I could've done this before, but I wouldn't have, so sometimes its good for the game to force you to play differently.

People complaining that this disincentivizes PVP have been watching too many streamers and playing too much CoD. This game is supposed to be a sneaky, ratty type survival horror game, not sprinting full speed with meta M4, slicks and altyns and doing parkour off every angle, then ADAD strafing the poo poo out of someone. Yeah its unfortunate that the gunplay in ETS is literally the best out of any milsimish FPS out there if you were looking for a good PVP game, I feel its perfectly fair for the devs to start modifying the game itself so that it stays in line with whatever they're going for here. The most boring time I ever had playing ETS was during the pre-wipe event where I just kept running with all the best gear I could buy, but the game lost all of its risk/reward and meta-gambling system and became actually really boring. I didn't even end up playing each day on the pre-wipe, just a few hours. Post-wipe the first week or so was the most fun I ever had.

Also, I feel very little temptation now to do hatchet runs, even though I despise the concept of it last wipe, I ended up biting the bullet and doing them just to make money. I hated that, and I'm glad the game is forcing me to actually play it instead of min/max meta bullshit. The most boring time I

I can't wait for the game to add in dynamic loot so that people aren't just sprinting and farming the same spots over and over. I would also love some sort of dynamic extract system where it changes to like random spots on the map or something so then people can't exfil camp and it changes the way each raid works instead of people memorizing every single angle and point on the map.

Oysters Autobio fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Jul 2, 2020

idiotsavant
Jun 4, 2000


Playing through my first fresh wipe was an interesting experience 'cause most of the quests are really not that painful when almost everyone's in level 3, max level 4 armor and you can use 7.62 PS the whole time. It feels like they did little to no balancing for power creep due to level 5/6 armor and top tier ammo, and starting kill/dress-up quests mid-wipe really shows it.

Oysters Autobio posted:

I can't wait for the game to add in dynamic loot so that people aren't just sprinting and farming the same spots over and over. I would also love some sort of dynamic extract system where it changes to like random spots on the map or something so then people can't exfil camp and it changes the way each raid works instead of people memorizing every single angle and point on the map.
uhhh. dynamic exit points would actually give you even more reason to memorize every single angle and point on the map just fyi. The single most important thing that wins fights in this game is asymmetrical info, and knowing the maps you play inside and out is one of the basic elements of that.

idiotsavant fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Jul 2, 2020

TheTofuShop
Aug 28, 2009



Gabriel S. posted:

How come I am completely unable to get the "switch scopes" function to work with the HAMR Scope?

Did you buy a delta point and put it in the slot on top?

Ice Fist
Jun 20, 2012

^^ Please send feedback to beefstache911@hotmail.com, this is not a joke that 'stache is the real deal. Serious assessments only. ^^


NJersey posted:

like why the gently caress is anyone bothering with a hideout and quests these days lol just grab a fuckin mosin and play

Been there. Done that. Got old after doing it for two wipes.

Oysters Autobio
Mar 13, 2017


idiotsavant posted:

dynamic exit points would actually give you even more reason to memorize every single angle and point on the map just fyi. The single most important thing that wins fights in this game is asymmetrical info, and knowing the maps you play inside and out is one of the basic elements of that.

Nah man thats my point, even though I agree in the current state you're right, I don't like that memorizing the map is what determines firefights instead of good tactical movement and other more realistic behaviour instead of sprinting across an open field because you know the map so well you know it's safe.

Obviously this can't be fixed unless we were in some open MMO type map where everything was one big connected map (lmao love reading the subreddit where people still parrot that this is ever going to happen for ETS), but would love it if more aspects were randomized on the map so that asymmetric info wasn't as big of an advantage, rather that good tactical movement through cover and concealment should be the advantage. Again, pipe dream since this will never change but I think dynamic exit points would actually help still because you would have to move through the map in different ways instead of just predicting "oh, this is a high traffic area" and "oh, this is a low traffic area".

E-Tank
Aug 4, 2011


Moonshine Rhyme posted:

Not a particularly valid argument considering you can pay to heal directly from therapist for cheap

Well poo poo, that changes everything. I might hop back on then. Sorry for being behind the times.

Oysters Autobio
Mar 13, 2017


New update from BSG:

-upped global loot spawn chances by 30%
-Upped skill progression by 20%
-Lowered flea market fees
-rebalanced trader buying prices and types of purchased items

Very glad to hear about the skill progression change. gently caress getting Strength to LVL 2.

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009




Fun Shoe

Gabriel S. posted:

How come I am completely unable to get the "switch scopes" function to work with the HAMR Scope?

If you hold to aim you have to change the key binding.

Mesadoram
Nov 4, 2009

Serious Business


fknlo posted:

If you hold to aim you have to change the key binding.

Gonna piggy back off this and say, please go through the menu and try out all of the key binds in different circumstances. I was trying to switch scopes while aiming, but because of the way my binds were set up it did not allow me to and that hosed me over several times before I realized what was happening.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008


Mesadoram posted:

Gonna piggy back off this and say, please go through the menu and try out all of the key binds in different circumstances. I was trying to switch scopes while aiming, but because of the way my binds were set up it did not allow me to and that hosed me over several times before I realized what was happening.

Yeah one thing that's been very helpful to me is just going into an offline raid to gently caress around with key binds. There's so many functions in this game that aren't in other FPSes and they're generally not bound to obvious or convenient keys. Like just checking your mag is on some stupid inconvenient bind of alt + R or something, even though it's an incredibly basic thing you'll want to do all the time. I just put it on "hold R" and that made way more sense to me.

ChesterJT
Dec 28, 2003

please trigger warning any insults to billionaires or I swear I will tell you numbnuts about how progress in society REALLY gets done


Oysters Autobio posted:

People complaining that this disincentivizes PVP have been watching too many streamers and playing too much CoD.

The people saying that are basing it off playing the game. I've seen quite a lot of people say that as soon as they find some piece of gear or loot they need for a quest they immediately go into hide mode and want to exit. I've experienced it in several group raids too. A couple people get a quest item and we cut out to reset because no one wants to engage in a firefight and risk losing it. In a 5 man group the two people with items are going to hide in the back to lower their risk so its basically a 3 man running an escort mission. Repeat ad nauseum.

Now with all the flea market and vendor changes people are heavily saying they're not going into raids geared because there's only high risk for little reward. They give out a million rubles then cripple the bitcoin farm. Always one awkward step forward two back

NJersey
Dec 1, 2008


Ice Fist posted:

Been there. Done that. Got old after doing it for two wipes.

That's my whole point of the people doing nothing but complaining in this thread...it got old after the first two wipes.

Gabriel S.
May 20, 2006

I WILL KEEP IMMIGRANT CHILDREN IN A LOCKBOX, AND THAT PAYS DOWN THE NATIONAL DEBT.

Put this Nazi Scientist fuck on ignore immediately!


Would it be fair if players spawned in as raider SCAVs?

Oysters Autobio
Mar 13, 2017


ChesterJT posted:

The people saying that are basing it off playing the game. I've seen quite a lot of people say that as soon as they find some piece of gear or loot they need for a quest they immediately go into hide mode and want to exit. I've experienced it in several group raids too. A couple people get a quest item and we cut out to reset because no one wants to engage in a firefight and risk losing it. In a 5 man group the two people with items are going to hide in the back to lower their risk so its basically a 3 man running an escort mission. Repeat ad nauseum.

Now with all the flea market and vendor changes people are heavily saying they're not going into raids geared because there's only high risk for little reward. They give out a million rubles then cripple the bitcoin farm. Always one awkward step forward two back

So what if people decide to extract when they got what they needed? Like I get the appeal of a 5 man just going into a map to PVP and try to clear it out, but that's not the spirit of the game at all, that's just CoD.

The game is supposed to be a brutal survival horror where dying is easy and you find that lab key card or other rare item and are sweating bullets trying to get out alive clutching your lovely AK. The devs have said lots that they intend to slow people down in making many so that early post wipe gameplay is stretched out.

Just because some streamers meta'd the poo poo out of a poorly developed game doesn't mean everyone should be playing this game decked out and looking for those sick 360 no scope headshots.

Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

Your sword, sahib.

Gabriel S. posted:

Would it be fair if players spawned in as raider SCAVs?

This would give people far too much incentive to just extract out ASAP.

Doodles
Apr 14, 2001



Some of the most recent posts have been complaining about how lovely the quest system is.

Buckle up, it's intended to get a lot worse.

Do you hate the Mosin questline from Jager? According to what Klean was saying in his stream today, the intent is to do such a quest series for EVERY weapon type. DVL, SVD, FAL, ASH-12, each of the various AK families... He wasn't sure if pistols and shotties were also going to go that way, but what the hell, if it makes the game even more tedious to get that Kappa container then don't be shocked if it happens.

Nikita's probably hoping folks will upgrade their accounts to get the Gamma instead of doing the grind, but I don't think it's too wild a guess that the majority of players will either do without or tell his Nikitaness to go have carnal relations with a rusty wood chipper.

causticBeet
Mar 2, 2010

BIG VINCE COMIN FOR YOU

Triple A posted:

This would give people far too much incentive to just extract out ASAP.

Make it so you can only extract as a raider if you get a PMC frag.

Would be fun but BSG world never do it because they hate fun and easy loot

Phobeste
Apr 9, 2006

never, like, count out Touchdown Tom, man

Grimey Drawer

Doodles posted:

Some of the most recent posts have been complaining about how lovely the quest system is.

Buckle up, it's intended to get a lot worse.

Do you hate the Mosin questline from Jager? According to what Klean was saying in his stream today, the intent is to do such a quest series for EVERY weapon type. DVL, SVD, FAL, ASH-12, each of the various AK families... He wasn't sure if pistols and shotties were also going to go that way, but what the hell, if it makes the game even more tedious to get that Kappa container then don't be shocked if it happens.

Nikita's probably hoping folks will upgrade their accounts to get the Gamma instead of doing the grind, but I don't think it's too wild a guess that the majority of players will either do without or tell his Nikitaness to go have carnal relations with a rusty wood chipper.

Honestly call me weird but I think this is fine. A big part of the reason I hated the mosin quests was it was just the mosin, no goddamn variety.

Just keep the beta container where it is, make the gamma or epsilon or whatever the hell it is that comes when you beat punisher still available, it's fine tbh

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Oysters Autobio
Mar 13, 2017


Honestly, I really want to know what else could they actually do with questing that isn't the current shoot people with X gun, retrieval, drop-off or kill X things?

It all seems like standard MMO fare, and like with most MMOs the questing isn't the main thing, raids and looting are the main thing.

I know in the past the devs said that the current quests are intended to be the 'side quests' when the 'release' comes out (lol like there's ever going to be an official release) but I still can't picture really in the current spawn-in, 45mn timer, loot, PVP and extract system how any other type of quests can really exist. I'm not being facetious here I honestly can't picture what their idea of 'main quests' would be? Maybe that's back during their 'oh the full release is going to be open world and you'll have to visit the traders in raid' phase.

Yeah the gun-use quests are gimmicky but otherwise people just wouldn't use some of the guns so it's not a terrible way to introduce people to variety (maybe though make it a seperate quest line so it doesn't bottleneck others, like most of Mechanics gun smith)

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