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twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

Bucnasti posted:

I feel like the quest flow is really messed up, the quests to kill guys with specific weapon should come earlier when you’re still figuring things out and exposure to different play styles would be more useful.
Also the quests should spread you out more, the early quests are all on customs and the late ones are all on shoreline or interchange. Maybe the campaign they play will fix this.

The early quests put you on thunderdome with no money making opportunities and the latter quests are essentially loot runs.

This is a big reason why newbies bounce off the game or become hatchlings.

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twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

SquirrelGrip posted:

yeah the rep bonus is the beat thing, I still have a bunch of quests to do but I’m only gated by level now on all bar jaeger, and gently caress that guy

Just cheese the quests with goons. Or I guess you could try to flash yourself and get pmc kills on hatchlings for ~reasons~.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.
Protip: I heard grenade kills count for kill quests as long as you have your main weapon out.

Also apparently grenades can explode at a person feet and not kill them... which happened to me today on interchange. I no longer have any idea how grenades work.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

HORSEPORN posted:

Grapefruit info...

I see. For some reason I thought the majority of the damage came from the explosion radius but I guess I was mistaken.

Is it true that shrapnel just ignores the existence o of armor completely?

I must have just low rolled on the shrapnel roll and barely not killed him cause it literally exploded less than 1m away from him in a small box... I might have to start doubling up on grenade throws to guarantee the finish.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.
The strength and weight changes sound like a neat idea, but they better fix leveling up strength so cheesing your STR stat doesn't become straight mandatory.

Also, one stamina bar does make more sense than 2 seperate bars. You try sprinting 100m then tossing a grenade or holding a gun steady.

I sure as gently caress can't.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.
The flea change is just there to make the strength changes to look like less poo poo. Good luck dropping all your gear to carry a tank battery out of raid.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

Ambaire posted:

(1) giving traders limited money and
(2) not letting people list vendor-bought items for more than purchase price (and maybe plus the market list fee) (or maybe a 25%-50% markup but no more than that)

would go a long way, I think

but for real, the traders need loving limited money. It's loving ridiculous that one can just camp various listings, buy out stuff and loving vendor it and instantly make a profit and inject free money into the economy.

Maybe make it so therapist doesn't pay such crazy prices for random items, too. 318k for a mag box? Why? it's a loving box. And why does Peacekeeper pay such crazy amounts for thediaries/flash drives/etc.

Because you have never played the game your opinion is legitimately invalid here because you don't actually know anything about how the market is affected by gameplay mechanics. Those items are expensive because they are super rare... duh. They are all rarer than graphics cards.


Giving traders limited money is the dumbest poo poo I ever heard and that is saying alot with this thread. It is dumber than the idiot that thinks lag switching isn't hacking.

Really they should just make it so the flea listing thing warns you about listing under vendor price and BOOM problem solved.

twig1919 fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Mar 7, 2020

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

Ambaire posted:

Dumb opinions

At least we won't have to read your stupid rear end ideas from a guy who literally doesn't play the game once the patch is released.
There is a much better number go up game... it's called the New York stock exchange. If you enjoy the lovely flea market so much then you can find an even bigger market with an even shittier interface over at Vanguard.
After you make your millions day trading you can buyout BSG from Nikita and post dumb suggestions in the thread.


I think Nikita changed the level requirement specifically to keep you from making GBS threads up the thread for a while. Maybe permanently because you don't actually play the loving game and have no idea what the gently caress your talking about.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

causticBeet posted:

Don’t do this lots of irons add ergo

I remove the irons on my mosin then make cannon noises with my mouth when I fire it.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

Stux posted:

right but the actual reason is to create price floors so a magbox, which is an early game container to deal with limited stash space, doesnt get inflated in price and make it harder for new players to get when its one of the first cases youll be going for.

To clarify for people that don't play the game, without price floors nobody would be picking up 85% of the items in the game because the value would get concentrated in the small subset of items the players want.

The price-floors allow a consistent money supply to be injected into the game so that new players can actually *gasp* progress.

People complaining about "inflation" or "deflation" in a goddamn video game should go play EvE or get a job as a stock trader.

The game has plenty of cash sinks with meds, ammo, trader fees, and repairs. What it lacks is sinks on guns and rigs, which really are not a big deal.

Ammo is usually 100k+ for a single raid if your running top tier and around 40-50k for mid-tier ammo, so there is plenty of cash-outflow to keep excessive price rises.
If you play the game at all you will notice everything getting less valuable over time already. Even big ticket items like GC and FLIRs.

I think all these idiots complaining about the "economy" just want everyone else to be unable to make money so that they can feel rich in a video game.

twig1919 fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Mar 8, 2020

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.
Red keycard prices are about to get lit.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

NJersey posted:

I don't think I've looked at the skills page for more than 3 seconds in my whole time in Tarkov...and amazingly...I still have a blast.

Does that ELITE skill make you run faster than 800m/s? lol

Yeah it kind of does. I may actually actively cheese my str now because these changes are cancer.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

ChesterJT posted:

Fair enough, didn't know if there was something worth trading for or if the hideout used them in some way.

THIIC Items cases, but only save for those if your pretty rich already.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

Jarf posted:

What the hell are Russians putting in their vaseline?

Two blacked out legs? No problem. Just smear a bit of vaseline on them.

You ever why you rub it on your "face". It's because your actually just rubbing meth on your gums.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

ThePineapple posted:

I'm definitely at the point where I'm feeling this a bit more. Any recommendations for a good loadout that's a step up beyond the penis helm / 6B3TM budget default? I'm thinking either a Tactec or the Zhuk that ragman sells or Killa armor, plus some sort of helmet with a faceshield? If anyone has nice gun builds I'm all ears too, want to start playing more with VSS's and low recoil M4's / AK's
Upgrade to a ratnik to protect your ears. You can upgrade to the teir 5 armors mentioned but you well learn that they help you less than you would hope.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

TVsVeryOwn posted:

Got a new PC. Dipped my toe back into the game with a scav run after a few month hiatus and made out like an absolute bandit. Spwaned with a Labs card, looted 2 PMC corpses and left with more stuff than I could carry. Feels good to be a gangster rat.

Not bad. Now let's get you into reserve to kill some raiders.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

Cup Runneth Over posted:

The bitcoin farm is cool and all but even with 50 graphics cards it's not all that much money compared to what I can make in the same time just by flipping LL3 Jaeger items.

I mean it's free so whatevs! But when they add durability to graphics cards I probably won't bother with it unless they give it a big buff.

450k whenever you login for almost 0 effort.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

Cup Runneth Over posted:

I can make double that every hour by flipping three items from Jaeger without ever leaving the dealer screen.

I can make double what you make by running 1 raid for 3 minutes.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

Pussy Snorkel posted:

2mil in 3 minutes?

Spawn next to marked room on reserve. Get weapons case, camp for 1 gear lord, and extract. 2.5 mil in 3 minutes 22 seconds.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

ShowTime posted:

The change of just holding stuff you bring in is fine with me and I say this is a habitual secure container pistol runner. It got me my millions. I proposed a change of having a timer on items before they can go into your container. That way there is still a chance that you can kill the person and get the good loot. Right now you just find the item and stop everything to secure it. If you had a 1min-15min wait (dependent on value of item) before it could go in the container, that would prevent hatchlings from snapping up all the good stuff in the first few minutes. It also adds that now you need to bring a little more gear with you, because eventually you'll run out of pockets just waiting on some timers.

I don't really care too much. Secure containers are such a small aspect of the game that i'm fine with either way. I'd rather see the day where running with a pistol and nothing else isn't needed because you have enough passive income to not need to worry about money. The scav system already works well enough for making money. Yea, I have runs where I make nothing and I have runs where I make half a mil in minutes. But I can easily go into a raid and make at least 100k-150k, with almost no effort. That's enough to pay for a budget build.

I do want to see the hideout changed even more though. More passive income, more crafting, etc.

The real issue is that the majority of quests are just a money drain/noob tax and they cause noobs to get poor trying to complete them.

Even worse, is that you need to complete them to get to all to the things that give you ridiculous passive income.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

causticBeet posted:

This happened to me last from a dude with a shotgun like 3 feet away so it definitely wasn’t some superior physics simulation, it’s just poo poo net code. Like I was mid death animation and heard 3 shotgun blasts.

Don't you understand the SPEED that Russians can fire shotguns at?!?!?!?!

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

ShowTime posted:

God do I love the MP-153 shotgun. I've been using AP slugs in it and it's devastating. I sniped a guy like 75m away and didn't even realize I killed him. I bounced since he spotted me and had a long range weapon.

It's definitely the best value gun. It costs under 100k, with decent ammo included, and kills people super quick.

Edit: Tomorrow Battlestate will start kicking high ping players. https://twitter.com/bstategames/status/1245756328112513027

Hopefully this will quarantine the hackers to China in the near future. Cheap Vpns also tend increase ping so it will make it easier to squash them.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

Jarf posted:

What's the word on accessing the API for Tarkov? I was thinking of writing a lil' algorithm that would sort my stash for me but if it's gonna get be banned then I won't bother.

This is cheating and you will be banned.

You can probably get away with data-mining but once it goes beyond that your playing with fire.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

Stux posted:

hm dunno why but in my head igolnik had been more expensive than BS my bad for not checking. ur right i shouldnt be down BT and not be so against PS if its for completely new players

7n37 just has part of its stat budget spent on penetration that isnt doing anything instead of damage


BT ammo goes for 200 rubles a round and is 20x better than ps ammo. If you have access to the flea just by BT ammo. Otherwise, stick with 7.62 vepers you get from scavs.

Honestly, I just run two 60 round mags of BT over BS ammo if I'm going sweaty. Better to spray people down and be liberal with ammo than to be stingy and die. More bullets always wins over less bullets in short/medium range engagements.

The exception is sniping, where it makes more sense to shell for expensive ammo since you can usually only get a couple shots off.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

ShowTime posted:

I pretty much only shoot AK in semi-auto, unless it's stacked. The recoil on AKs is insane. I did manage to pick up a kitted out AK yesterday from a dead body killed by boss scavs that shoots in full auto as if it were semi auto. Now I understand why people use the AK so much. I priced it out at around 300k, but holy poo poo is it good. I kept it to try out one day and saved the preset. Every attachment on it is like 40k but for that kind of power, I guess it's worth it.

There is a secret ak74m trade that is this good but only costs ~45k total. You need mechanic level 3 for it though.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

Ihmemies posted:

Don't be that mosin guy in Customs who I killed yesterday in close range. He missed his only shot and I wasted him with my full auto AK. We both were scavs and he had a bag filled to the gills with loot. So I just grabbed his stuff and went for exit. He had an AK too but for some reason it was not in his hands..

Game also got easier after turning down thr gfx settings and boosting shadows in nvidia overlay. Some places were really really dark and it got old fast when it felt like everyone else except me can see in that darkness.

160fps is still a dream but 80fps is better than 60...

I'm still playing on default medium and I'm definitely feeling like it's way harder for me to spot people than it should be.

Other players will light me up through bushes that I can't even see through.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

causticBeet posted:

I am glad this game strives for realism *repairs broken leg with some scissors and tape, chugs a gallon of mayonnaise, then enters a full sprint with 70kg of gear*

This game has a perfectly realistic damage model.

I got shot in the stomach 10 times, got corona virus cough from it, got annoyed by it after waking around for 5 min, then popped some ibuprofen and was fine.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.
RMT is a problem mainly because of the hackers but this won't stop RMT. They will just drop high value vendor items like keys in raid using a SIIC case and RMT will continue without being affected at all. BSG are dumb, but they have 2 brain cells and know this.

This change exists purely to stomp on ammo flipping. They will probably be adjusting ammo supplies to compensate and your all being a bunch of babies about it. The end of the world weight changes all turned out fine.

I'm more interested in seeing the quests be untucked and skill leveling being reworked.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

Ultimatefire posted:

If they wanna be like this to lower leveled players, I wish they would have decent ammo on some abhorrent 1 day cooldown of purchase, or something... and then you unlock the normal reset at the normal quest line time.

I'm just not sure who ammo relisters are a problem for?? Ammo is normally only going for 1.25x the cost of a trader's supply anyway??

Then again, there is justice in seeing Reddit complaints and asap implementing their half baked solutions... so that they have to live with the fallout of their whines.

"M995 is 2x the cost on Flea Market and the traders run out! Make flea Find in Raid only!"
*m995 now minimum 4.5k / bullet on Flea, traders still run out*
"REEEEEEEE"

Edit: and there aren't gonna be cases available from flea earlier than trader rep :(
(I guess I haven't double checked that I needed any cases earlier but I think I got some icases before they were available to me from therapist?? Maybe it's a non issue)

The thing is that BSG wants there to be actual progression in the game. The only progression right now is running interchange a couple times then buying top-teir poo poo from the flea.
Additionally, they don't want everyone who hits level 40 to constantly be running the best gear, they want people to have to use variety beyond their own boredom.

Right now they can't easily make adjustments because trying to control a free market is like LOL. It's really hard to predict what effect changing a spawn rate or vendor listing will do to the market.
By making this change it will make it MUCH easier to balance the items out.

They also essentially want to get rid of people who do nothing but play the market to make money. For example, right now I give 0 shits about earning money/loot and I have just been hard-farming quests.
Even though I am burning through reap-irs constantly I am making enough from ammo-flipping that my money is staying the same/going up. Its about 5 minutes a day and I make 2-3 million rubles which is more than I could imagine spending without serious poop-socking.

Like, I know it seems like they are just listening to redditors/streamers but there are really good reasons to make this change from a game design perspective. They are trying to create RPG stalker, not EVE online FPS version.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

ChesterJT posted:


That audio video was pretty cool. It always seems like people can get right up on me and I don't hear a thing but I step on two pebbles and it's CRUNCH CRUNCH but from what I've read sometimes you hear things way louder than other players do which isn't great. Maybe they'll work on all that at once.

The current audio has tons of dead spots. If someone is roughly 35-55 degree away from your face the sound can be up to half as loud or disappear. If you get a friend to run at a wall you can spin around and notice that at some angles/ distance it goes from audible to completely silent.

Essentially you need to always keep yourself 90 degrees facing away from whatever you want to hear.

You also hear significantly farther when facing forward than you do backward for some reason.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

Ice Fist posted:

Playing with other people because it is still worth playing after the amazing flea market changes they're making.

twig1919 fucked around with this message at 05:06 on May 12, 2020

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

Shannow posted:

the fear of a thousand neckbeards screaming that a thing is different.

This

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

IronicDongz posted:

it's great actually that people are incentivized to actually extract after doing a loot run instead of suiciding or disconnecting

Yeah all the people complaining about the fact that Hatchet running is all but dead make no sense to me. It's so actively unfun to the not braindead people to run into a hatchet runner. At least a pistol runner is a legitimate threat.

Meanwhile I run around with the silenced ak that I found in my second raid and my teir 3 armour like a super Chad and it's tons of fun.

The game is definitely better when all the powerful top teir weapons are actually rare and not scattered around every raid.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.
Steam audio has definitely leveled me up gameplay wise. On the old studio I get constantly confused by the noise directions being horribly broken. Now I can at least tell forward, backward, left, right reliably.

Although I'm sure it depends on the exact setup one has.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

Stux posted:

its because theres plenty of people for who keeping afloat is difficult

Its not, you can easily make money with sub 30 survival rates. That was actually one of the problems that led to a boring end-game meta, and a problem that still exists.
A pistol is like 5,000 rubles which is the equivalent of 1/2 a single slot item...

Stux posted:

hatchet running is basically victimless.

No its not. Your forcing other players to play PvE against their will by taking up player slots. gently caress Interchange was so boring when every raid had 4-5 hatchet runners in it.

Stux posted:

the main result will just be more people going to RMT which leads to more hackers in rounds. id take hatchet runners personally.

Probably not. If anything RMT has gotten more annoying for casual players. Do you really think a "casual" who is already bouncing off the game is going to go out and spend more money to RMT themselves more stuff?

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

ChesterJT posted:

We don't all hack and glitch so more often than not us common folk get killed in raids even with a load of guns and armor.


Tell Nikita then. They created an entire secure container system so they obviously wanted it in the game. Go cry to him or stop playing.

I had a sub 30% survival rate and was able to afford meta poo poo every raid last wipe. It's really really not hard to make money.

Also all you pro hatchet runner idiots keep arguing about them taking loot, but it's not about that. There are only 3 legitimate threats in this game: players, raiders, and scav bosses. Hatchet runners removed at minimum 1/3 of the threats in the game but on maps like interchange they removed 85% of all danger from the map. It literally cheats everyone else's experience.

Also, I can count on one hand the number of hatchet runners I killed under level 40. I have killed hundreds of them and it was always high level players.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

i vomit kittens posted:

Are you seriously arguing that every player in every match you play is a hatchet runner except for yourself? lol

You realize that most maps only have 8-12 players in them? 2-3 hatchet runners are lovely if your solo. That drastically reduces the chance of natural pvp because now there aren't enough players to bump into each other. Now play in a group and all of a suddenly your literally the only players on the map.


Stux posted:

you arent owed other people playing how you want them to play lol

Your obsessed with what people are and aren't "owed", aren't you?

Guess what the devs have spoken and have relegated hatchet running to the bin along with numerous other glitches.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.

Lemon posted:

Anyone having loading time issues after the wipe? I've just started playing today, got into 3 scav runs OK but on 2 PMC runs quit out after 8 minutes of matching on Customs. I'm in EU and pre-wipe never usually waited more than about 3 mins.

Turn off auto matching and try servers on a different region.

twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.
Patch is good, less loose loot in previously high value locations is good, FIR flea market is good, less scavs is bad, quests are still bad (especially flash drives and graphics cards), leveling str is braindead aspergers turbofucked. At level 22 I have a grand total of 1 (yes 1, not a typo) skillpoint.

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twig1919
Nov 1, 2011
I am an inconsiderate moron whose only method of discourse is idiotic personal attacks.
The recoil auto corrects unlike every other game, so the natural instinct to pull down just screws you over.

The correct way to play every firefight is to hold down the mouse until you run out of ammo or their dead.

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