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NonzeroCircle
Apr 12, 2010

El Camino

4lokos basilisk posted:

please dont take this the wrong way: i admire your devotion to building the ultimate beast setup for whatever you want to do, but its one of those things i would never personally do or suggest anyone to do

its the sort of crazy unorthodox approaches that may end up with something super cool down the road

I am envious of this beast setup but personally I would probably spend the money on other bits (like an Axe FX, new monitors... OK fine, more RAM too).
I love the idea of having 30 different articulations on strings but I don't have the patience and or skill to make the most of such things.

Venus Theory, one of my fave music youtubers (who recently did a very candid video about the effect youtubing has had on his music and mental health which is a hard but worthwhile watch for anyone with anything even approaching artistic temperament) , did this with a viola and its super cool:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssp_A-T5hZI

(buy cheap viola with no idea how to play it, make a sample library from it anyway)

NonzeroCircle fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Jun 1, 2022

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Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


i have something heretical to say:

all music is bad on some level

even well known and well liked david bowie stuff has some janky and dumb parts

thereís always a little poo poo in the meat

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


there is no perfection, so do not attempt to chase it and do not feel like you are unique for making crap. like I havenít heard any music these days that absolutely destroyed me like I got destroyed back when I was a teen, and I suspect that growing up and getting a better perspective is the reason for it

that or my depression meds arenít working but Iíd rather not consider that

Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Jun 1, 2022

NonzeroCircle
Apr 12, 2010

El Camino
Im definitely hypercritical of myself but slowly getting more accepting of "is this fun to play or listen to? Yes? Then it's OK."

Generally the few people who I send my scribbles to have positive feedback and, although I don't necessarily believe them, it's important to remember what a niche of a niche of a niche being someone who writes and records and mixes all parts of a tune is. Most of my friends are musicians but very few of them have even the first idea about recording or programming drums or whatever.

It's easy to get blindsided by hearing "aNyOnE cAn MaKe a ReCorD NoW"; it's true, sure, and it's all definitely more accessible than it was 30 years ago but it's still far from being watching TV or playing videogames. And this sentence is often also followed with "just means there is more poo poo to wade through"

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


if toby fox had released the undertale ost as a single independent album without any game to accompany it almost no one would have bought it and it wouldnít have become as widely beloved as it is today

supply and demand my dudes

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

Pollyanna posted:

i have something heretical to say:

all music is bad on some level

even well known and well liked david bowie stuff has some janky and dumb parts

thereís always a little poo poo in the meat

I know what you mean, and itís important to grok this in order to be ok at with your own music


like there are some songs etc that I think are near perfect, but iím not such a blind fan that I canít see that I wouldnít play that note or whatever



the other trick here is to listen to it when high as heck because drugs can kinda smooth over any bad bits lol



all of that said, ďeasyĒ by faith no more is perfect. I canít think of a single aspect or note in that song that is wrong

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



4lokos basilisk posted:

please dont take this the wrong way: i admire your devotion to building the ultimate beast setup for whatever you want to do, but its one of those things i would never personally do or suggest anyone to do

its the sort of crazy unorthodox approaches that may end up with something super cool down the road


NonzeroCircle posted:

I am envious of this beast setup but personally I would probably spend the money on other bits (like an Axe FX, new monitors... OK fine, more RAM too).
I love the idea of having 30 different articulations on strings but I don't have the patience and or skill to make the most of such things.

putting stuff together of pretty much any kind is fun for me, and playing with sounds to get them to how it sounds in my head. it's a fun hobby that i get a lot of enjoyment out of, and the amount that i spend on it is a drop in the bucket compared to even dumber stuff like cars

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005




[ASK] Me About OS/2 WARP
for about 25 years now i have been into Computer Music, and it has this baked-in unsolvable flaw, which is that you need a few CPU cycles to make the sound and wiggle the waveform. It's been a fascinating ride from then to now seeing how low you can shave the latency down, but you can never really eliminate it. When I started out i was using a p133 and cubase 3 and i could squeeze 4 mono tracks in to realtime only if i took it easy on the EQs and dropped their bitrate to 32khz. Now i have this 2 pound laptop that I can load fifty tracks of 96khz audio into with full parametric EQs and probably a separate reverb for each one and it doesn't even heat up, but - there's still that one millisecond of lag. it's just neat to think about.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

4lokos basilisk posted:

please dont take this the wrong way: i admire your devotion to building the ultimate beast setup for whatever you want to do, but its one of those things i would never personally do or suggest anyone to do

its the sort of crazy unorthodox approaches that may end up with something super cool down the road

this is a very unusual post and I am a bit of an expert of hosed up posts but this reads as a pure negative post. i donít get why youíd post this

NonzeroCircle
Apr 12, 2010

El Camino

Woolwich Bagnet posted:

putting stuff together of pretty much any kind is fun for me, and playing with sounds to get them to how it sounds in my head. it's a fun hobby that i get a lot of enjoyment out of, and the amount that i spend on it is a drop in the bucket compared to even dumber stuff like cars

I hope I didn't come across as mean, I absolutely get how your setup appeals to you and its clear how much enjoyment you get from it- I enjoy the posts and also am not totally convinced you might not secretly be hans zimmer.
It's a different approach to mine, but that's what makes music interesting and fun! Mixing orchestral bits with guitars etc but not like yngwie is something I enjoy doing and tbh it'd make my life so much easier if I could stack ampsims the way you do string libraries :)

NonzeroCircle fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Jun 2, 2022

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


I wanna make cool orchestral stuff like koshiro and uematsu do :allears:

I also wanna bleep bloop

and I also wanna terrify

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005




[ASK] Me About OS/2 WARP
i dont even know what the gently caress is the difference between a viola and a violin is, i love both woolwich's attention to detail and echi's lack of attention to detail


just write tunes

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


the viola is one of my favorite instruments and doesnít deserve the poo poo it gets :colbert:

Dukes Mayo Clinic
Aug 31, 2009
Viola is cool and good except for reminding me that alto clef exists.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


yeah thatís about when scp jumped the shark

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



NonzeroCircle posted:

I hope I didn't come across as mean, I absolutely get how your setup appeals to you and its clear how much enjoyment you get from it- I enjoy the posts and also am not totally convinced you might not secretly be hans zimmer.
It's a different approach to mine, but that's what makes music interesting and fun! Mixing orchestral bits with guitars etc but not like yngwie is something I enjoy doing and tbh it'd make my life so much easier if I could stack ampsims the way you do string libraries :)

oh you didn't at all, no worries.

i like music of all kinds and i enjoy listening to the stuff posted here even if i don't comment on it directly. making music is cool and good and hopefully a fun process for people doing it. also i love all the guitar stuff because i suck at actually playing them and there's so many amazing sounds you can get from them

viola is a cool instrument and i like using it, but i really need to get a good solo instrument plugin for it some day

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


music good imo

vague sadness of all forms and origins bad imo

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

Jonny 290 posted:

echi's lack of attention to detail


just write tunes

I apply this technique across my whole life with a huge loving trowel

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


pshhhhhh detail is for lfos and sample and hold

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


I could add form and fill to my drum track ORRRRRRR I could say gently caress it and play the same four bars the whole time

4lokos basilisk
Jul 17, 2008


echinopsis posted:

this is a very unusual post and I am a bit of an expert of hosed up posts but this reads as a pure negative post. i donít get why youíd post this

its possible to have 1000% respect for someoneís drive and work ethic even though you might not be into the end result at all

like the beatles aint my favorite thing but i will absolutely take my hat off for the sheer human effort they put into it

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

yeah thatís fine of course, just like.. why post it

4lokos basilisk
Jul 17, 2008


echinopsis posted:

yeah thatís fine of course, just like.. why post it

idk i wanted to make it really clear that im ribbing bagnets wild virtual orchestra setup in good faith

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



i just read it as 'lol you're crazy' which is fine, because it is :v:

i tend to go all in on whatever I'm doing/working on so it's not horrible advice either

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011


did someone here own a line 6 helix? trying to find out if you can disable the amp and cab blocks on presets and just use it and a big fancy DSP pedalboard. Iíd like to be able to run without amp and cab sim into my mesa for effects stuff and then run my mesa out into my cabclone for IR and DI, but Iíd also like to maybe use the amp block on some other presets for simulating some amps I donít have

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005




[ASK] Me About OS/2 WARP
I don't personally have one but every amp modeler/sim out there has the ability to switch any of the modules in or out. I'd put $20 on you being able to use it as a raw pedalboard. e: but jesus christ dont do that dude lol theyre a thousand dollers plus. if you JUST want stomp boxes you'd do well to find something like my m13, which i got for $200 and ive seen them as low as 100. no amps no IRs just pure fuzz boxes and phasers. Sounds good too.



---

xpost from bass thread:

im so mad
so i bought this sx bass forever ago
and it just never sounded right
like it was so quiet
no gain, couldnt push my amp
thought my amp was busted, ended up buying a preamp pedal
and then i rewired the bass and put new pickups in. no change
then i realized. its gotta be the strings
idk what the gently caress they used for stock strings on this but they just didnt have any output. like theres no ferrous metal in them
just put some slinkys on and it about blew my ears off


so now my sweet rear end 5 with rail pickups and a homebrewed varitone and series/parallel pull pot and phase pull pot with chickenhead knob is a real boy

Jonny 290 fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Jun 2, 2022

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

lol what? thatís the last thing youíd assume was the problem lol

hard to believe non ferrous strings even exist, and surely youíd have to go out of your way to buy some

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005




[ASK] Me About OS/2 WARP
yeah. i swapped one string to compare and test my theory and it sounded like a Real Instrument. Much happier now. easily 6db more output, maybe 10.

like i dont think they werent ferrous at all but they could have been some pot metal crap that the Korean factory put on

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



hey we're outta the correct strings, what do we do?

ehh, just paint some nylon ones silver, they'll never know the difference

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005




[ASK] Me About OS/2 WARP
the hosed up part is that i have tapewounds on my fretless 6er, and it has WAY more output than the other bass does! and those strings are literally a nylon wrap on a steel core!

(it sounds as close to an upright as you can get on a guitar-shaped bass)

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


gently caress DAMMIT this track is going nowhere

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


I am an rear end in a top hat who canít produce music for poo poo

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


what the gently caress is a key change???? how do I brain??? what is musical ideas sounds tasty? letís do the same thing over and over again oh golly gee I love it

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005




[ASK] Me About OS/2 WARP
never key change that is cursed boomer poo poo

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

when I used to play in church band (congregation of about 1000 people), we would often choose the epic song with all the emotion to do a key change in and drat it hits hard if youíre looking for that emotion thing



the OG easy by the commodores has a key change and iíll never really know if faith no more abandoning the key change was a good idea or not. FNMs version is perfect so maybe it was good to leave it out

Jonny 290 posted:

never key change that is cursed boomer poo poo
what about if we do multiple key changes during the whole song

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005




[ASK] Me About OS/2 WARP

echinopsis posted:


what about if we do multiple key changes during the whole song


i mean its whatever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8ba5dUGtPw

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011


every bar without a time signature change gets a key change :getin:

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005




[ASK] Me About OS/2 WARP
this is 909 cowbell slaps and the best of breaks

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


I want to not work i just wanna plink plonk my stupid rear end in a daw all day

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Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



take some time off pollyanna and spend it making boops for yourself and no one else

when you took the job it probably had 3 weeks of vacation but now it has 4. that extra week is the pollyanna make music week*

*ofc it's fine if you decide you'd rather do something else as long as it's for you and not somebody else

but for real take some time off

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