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Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


i have no idea what im doing

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Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Jonny 290 posted:

i will go on record as saying that i have never once in my life been made aware of somebody writing a _song_ with a bunch of eurorack gear. every time it's "look at this poo poo its loving crazy" and then them plugging cables in and just letting an arp run while they twiddle a cutoff or decay knob. but if you enjoy it and will use the gear, go for it

to be fair, this is all synth hardware now. daws and VSTs have obviated basically all physical modules and synths, unless youíre all in on analog-only.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


yeah I only have a couple physical modules cuz I like playing with them. theyíre fun for sketching some stuff out and mucking around, but actual composition, production, and synth patch exploration happens in a daw and vsts.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


thats really why im more interested in learning to compose than in going whole hog on synth tech

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


dawless has the romanticism and the idea that having physical modules makes it easier to focus, but in practice the lack of long-form sequencing and automation really fucks you, especially if youíre not a performer

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


gassy answer to the above: lol buy a sequencer and stuff

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Zam Wesell posted:

good post.

the world only needs so many 16-step long boring techno music

my approach to anything i make is ďitís been done before, and by someone better and smarter than youĒ. because the truth is that thereís a finite amount of combinations and permutations out there, and there are so many people who make music with so much time spent before you that the bottom of the barrel has been worn away to dust.

nothing you make is going to be original or The Next Big Thing, so give up on that. just make whatever, because what you make doesnít really matter to anyone except yourself.

Zam Wesell posted:

personally what I've found works the best for me is starting out "dawless" for inspiration/to get a groove going/loving around with synth patches etc, but letting the computer take over when I've got a proper track going and don't want the "limits" of hardware anymore (especially with regards to sequencing and automation). best of both worlds imo.

this is more or less the direction Iím heading and itís really only that I have a couple physical modules already and I want to work with one of them in a way that isnít a huge pain in the dick

also people keep looking at dawless as a way to force themselves into creativity but youíre just gonna anxiety scroll on your phone anyway so no amount of physical hardware will save you if your brain is hosed

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


but you should ignore me cuz I bought a bunch of music gear today that Iíll prolly just ignore 🤡

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


how do you guys like, continue to build something out

i have a tiny ~52 second track that I can hear a kernel of good ideas in, i think, but itís wrapped in a hard shell of jank. i want to make it longer and meaningfully add to it, but i donít know what that entails. new movements or musical ideas? spins on existing ideas? add an entirely new track or instrument? pepper fx everywhere?

iím clearly starting to butt up against a wall in terms of composition. putting notes in a tracker is easy enough, the actual tool is familiar, but now thereís the hard part of ďwhat SHOULD you do?Ē, and nobody really knows how to guide people through that.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


been thinkin a bit about my creative process. i freeze up when i think about iteration, and i only ever really come up with stuff when i'm, like...half asleep. or in a particular mental state. which is to say that everything i think of shows up when i'm trying to go to bed!!!!

so i gotta figure out how to get in that mental state at will. and i suspect it has something to do with distractions, time of day, fatigue, adderall, coffee...idk.

i know i can do it, i just have almost no control over it and it gives me a lot of anxiety. not sure what to do about that.

Woolwich Bagnet posted:

I tend to just start with something simple and every 4 6 or 8 measures or whatever build on it with harmonies, variations etc. Then once I've done that for a while I go back and start moving things around based on how I want it to build or move around. Or I go through my old ideas and see if something fits.

i'm actually far more likely to add new ideas rather than iterate on existing ones. here's an example track that i don't think i've shared before:

https://soundcloud.com/retrocombine/i-should-really-learn-how-to-name-things

note how many distinct musical ideas are present, and how i don't really reuse much. and even despite that, it goes maybe 52 seconds before repeating. and then i listen to stuff like this that gets a solid like 2 minutes out of a handful of ideas. like goddamn.

quote:

If you have a ton of stuff in that small span already try breaking out each instrument or progression of notes separately. Maybe remove or add some here and there to see how it sounds.

oh i've definitely run into this a lot. like i can always bolt on more random poo poo in like the same key or whatever, but more is not better, and i have no idea what actually goes well together. the answer of "what should i put here?" is an extremely open-ended question, which doesn't make me feel free. or more precisely, it makes me feel more free to fail, not more free to succeed.

quote:

Sometimes though I just hit a brick wall of welp I have no idea where to go next so I put it down and come back to it later. Sometimes I'll put that new thing down and it doesn't flow at all so I put it in my ideas files.

same. to be fair, i do like what i make! but just because i like something doesn't mean it's actually good, or that anyone else likes it. it's really hard to come to terms with that and build that confidence, because i see my own stuff as pretty goddamn dorky, stereotypical, derivative, or embarrassing.

whenever i think about music, i keep getting the image in my head of someone listening to my stuff and going "this is really lame".

QuantumPotato posted:

same. unless i'm doing something for a specific purpose (like someone asks me for a lil ambient loop to go in the background of a video or something) i'll do the Bill Watterson thing, i'll spend a couple hours improvising and record the whole session. when i'm done for the day, i delete the recording. occasionally i'll chop a piece out and send it to some friends for feedback, but taking away the pressure of "making a record" has made me infinitely happier with the act of making music. i have occasionally thought of live streaming the sessions though, but that feels like too much work.

"making a record" is kinda pointless honestly, because...

echinopsis posted:

Iím a bit the same. Iíve kind of realised no one really wants to hear my recorded music. Everyone has the entirety of recorded music in their pocket these days, and itís impossible for me to compete against it.

...there's just so much competition that tracks and songs on their own don't shine. there's a reason most tunes people like these days are like themes or soundtracks, or introduced to them by something or someone they already like. they have a meaningful context that brings the music past "just a song".

hell, just ask me about all the music i only know about and enjoyed because it was in a video game or because a vtuber covered it!

you wanna get your stuff out there and get people to listen and get hooked? compose for something. a game, a movie, a tv show, a video series, a streamer, an anthem or something. music in and of itself just doesn't end up mattering in our world, which utterly sucks but that's what we have to deal with now

quote:

So, yeah, itís just about playing and enjoying, and in this case it has an overall purpose, but recorded music ainít that.

it's hard to balance "i want to enjoy what i make" and "i want to do something that isn't pointless". i've thought a lot about why i'm trying to learn to compose and produce and play my instrument, and i keep coming to the conclusion that none of this has any point at all. nobody's going to listen to me, i'm not going to advance the field, i may not even come up with anything particularly unique. i might like what i put together, but i also see all its flaws. so...why am i doing this?

Achmed Jones posted:

i get stuck and frustrated and churn out another 50sec thing that id like to turn into a track but don't know how

big same

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


gently caress a music

gently caress it

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


i need to amass like a solid chunk of 1/4 cables and matching adapters cuz not only do I need to route these stupid volcas to a mixer I also need to translate their 3.5 aux outs to the biggies

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


who is the rear end in a top hat who changed audio cable sizes? huh???? huh???????????

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


but everything I have is 3.5 :(

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


I guess thatís korgís fault tho

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


wondering if I should get a bunch of 3.5 cables and 8->4 adapters or the opposite

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


went with a mix, 6 multicolored 1/4s and a few 8->4 adapters

i can always hit up target or something for aux cables

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


now I need a mixer :thunk:

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Jonny 290 posted:



behringer got sued by Mackie over my mixer because they copied the VLZ channel strip

i had one, it broke, i bought an inferior replacement, 7 years later i hunted down the original and paid too much for it but still 1/2 the price of a mackie with the same features

:stare:

can I not just get one of these or something

https://reverb.com/item/54073529-behringer-xenyx-1202-12-input-mixer
https://reverb.com/item/53631605-c14695-yamaha-mg10-2-mixer

im also tempted to just get a cheap laptop and an audio interface but man thatís $$$

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


bringin my volca drum to work gonna make a couple kits

- ďrealisticĒ kit: 1 standard kick drum, 1 standard snare, 1 standard tom, 1 closed hi hat (jam up the release and itís an open hi hat), 1 mid-pitch clap, maybe 1 metallic thing like a cowbell
- 808 kit: 1 808 kick drum, 1 808 snare drum, 1 808 tom, 1 808 hi hat, 1 808 clap, 1 808 cowbell
- potential insane garbage kit: 8x the weirdest thing I can make

also whatís the harmonic difference between a kick and a tom anyway

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


ooh and maybe Iíll grab a book of drum machine patterns and work through them

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


sounds like i have free reign to blow a benjie+ on a used mix12fx :grin:

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


man thereís so many loving mixers

I donít even know how many channels Iíll ever actually need, or whether onboard fx are ever worth it, or some poo poo

head hurty.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


mix12fx for sure it looks like

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


quote:

In a mixer, an aux bus is signal path that is auxiliary to the main audio path of the mixer. Aux buses are often used for aux sends, and aux returns but can sometimes simply be secondary paths for submixing.

The term Ďbusí strictly applies to any mix bus, but often it is used to describe an audio sub‑group, which is used to gather and combine a number of related sources to allow overall control via the bus or sub-group fader. Its output is often referred to as a Ďstemí and typically forms a key part within the final mix. For example, you might Ďbusí all the drum mics together to allow overall control by one (or two) faders, instead of having to juggle and balance six or more individual drum channel faders.

so its grouped output

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


basically right now I wanna be able to mix 4-5 (drum+fm+nts1+td-3+?) synths/outputs together and still be able to handle any pedals i decide to get for them

so thatís what, 6ish channels?

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


https://reverb.com/item/52484601-behringer-eurorack-mx802a-8-input-mixer

fuckit

the one thing that concerns me is the wires in the back, i wonder if thereís a way to fix it

edit: thereís also this

https://reverb.com/item/49439416-behringer-xenyx-1202fx-12-input-mixer-with-effects

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Eurorack MX802A 8-Input (actually 6) for 63, or Xenyx 1202FX 12-Input (actually 8) for 100

:thunk:

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


thatís $10.50 per channel vs $12.5 per channel + onboard fx

think the mx802a wins

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


whatís the usb for? recording onto a device?

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


hmmm I donít see usb on the mx802aÖwhat does yours look like again?

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


https://reverb.com/item/26595115-be...audio-interface

ill get the q1002usb

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

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:pcgaming:

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


ill have to figure out how to record off it if i ever do more than just jam out on my headphones

prolly find a used laptop that can handle a decent daw like reaper or w/e

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


i like it! i was looking at the nubass but those are still going for 230 new, 150-175 used. and as much as i like the volca as a concept the td-3 is perfectly good in comparison

as soon as i figure out how to sequence it

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


oh yeah, and ill need pedals. thatís one huge advantage of the dawÖ

Achmed Jones posted:



sup td3 friend

:coal:

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Achmed Jones posted:

sequencing it sucks so bad, i either just gently caress around with the keyboard or hook it up to ableton

i think i messed with the sequencer exactly once and noped out

i cant help but think theres some reason for it to be like that. maybe what its designed for is most easily sequenced or at least thought of in that fashion. like some sorta hosed up api, or stack-oriented programming. otherwise i cant explain why pitch and duration/rest are sequenced completely separately

Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Apr 29, 2022

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

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i suppose it wouldnt have gotten so famous if it wasnt so weird

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

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lol i cant get sequencing working

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Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

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internal clock was off

https://youtu.be/wnEaXv2prc8

suck cess

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