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My wife is being asked to go into the office next Thursday to get a teleconference room configured for a deposition We both work in the same building, during normal hours it's a 64 floor building that filters over 5,000 people in and out through ONE escalator. Sounds like a great place to be during a pandemic lol
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My building has over 2.2m square feet of leasable floor space, I don't fuckin' know, I just made that number up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Steel_Tower Substitute your own loving numbers if you don't like mine
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Stereotype posted:I've been saying for the past few weeks "this is just the end of the beginning" and it seems I was right. 120k deaths wasn't enough for people, we're gonna go the Herd Immunity route, which is more like 2M deaths. The number of Americans who die this year will be double that of last year. I assume there are going to be some knock on effects to that as well. there was never really another alternative. once it was so widespread that 25% of new york city had it, containment was out the window, and it is extremely unlikely that a vaccine can be developed, manufactured, and distributed quickly enough. it could still end up being less than 1M deaths in the united states though
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DuckConference posted:there was never really another alternative. once it was so widespread that 25% of new york city had it, containment was out the window, and it is extremely unlikely that a vaccine can be developed, manufactured, and distributed quickly enough. that 'could' is still the largest mass death event in US history
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:that 'could' is still the largest mass death event in US history september 11, 2001 twice a week and new cases are up uP UP!
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:that 'could' is still the largest mass death event in US history yes, I agree that 1M people dying is a bad thing, but there is not a lot we can do to stop it now
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DuckConference posted:yes, I agree that 1M people dying is a bad thing, but there is not a lot we can do to stop it now there’s quite a bit but we won’t do any of it.
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Back before the Pennsylvania subreddit banned me I had a good time with covid denialists by pointing out that the numbers they themselves were spewing (70% infected, only 1% death rate) represented the largest mass death event in American history in a fraction of the time of the previous events and how that would irrevocably alter everyone's lives. Odd that I got banned.
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Midjack posted:there’s quite a bit but we won’t do any of it. like what, exactly? the level of lockdowns that seem to be achievable in the united states are insufficient to stop the virus.
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Back before the Pennsylvania subreddit banned me I had a good time with covid denialists by pointing out that the numbers they themselves were spewing (70% infected, only 1% death rate) represented the largest mass death event in American history in a fraction of the time of the previous events and how that would irrevocably alter everyone's lives. Odd that I got banned. it could be 100% infected and a 30% death rate and they'd still be saying "well, the odds are in your favor, let's not make the cure worse than the disease"
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qirex posted:I've still never worked anywhere that didn't assume november/december would be just as productive as the rest of the year in their planning process which typically led to everyone inevitably getting their asses kicked just before thankgiving and after new years planning and staffing for peak load is inefficient, just assume average load for the whole year
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Don't sleep with Ukrainian women. Chernobyl Fallout! lol
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ur mom is like the pripyat ferris wheel: nobody should ride her without wearing protective equipment
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DuckConference posted:yes, I agree that 1M people dying is a bad thing, but there is not a lot we can do to stop it now DuckConference posted:like what, exactly? the level of lockdowns that seem to be achievable in the united states are insufficient to stop the virus. https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1274105780460011521?s=21 or look at the early states vs second wave graph here: https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1274123245252419587?s=21 wear masks, shut down superspreader venues, do contract tracing, strong isolation and social support for pos tests and contact with pos this poo poo isn’t impossible. ze germans managed to get their outbreak under control following us scientists publications lol
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Jonny 290 posted:i like everything except the contact tracing because if we ever built that up significantly and used it to beat corona they'd use it to beat lefties and such big same. no government ever dismantled a domestic surveillance system once it was in place.
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Jonny 290 posted:i like everything except the contact tracing because if we ever built that up significantly and used it to beat corona they'd use it to beat lefties and such agreed re beaconing but you don’t have to do have the automatic bluetooth snitching for effective contact tracing start with phone bank interviews; look at credit card records for others at the same locations etc. all records they can already get easily labor intensive but hey there’s a lot of unemployed folks for more tinfoily all the ad location data goog et al already collect here’s sk’s approach but it doesn’t have to be that competent: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/south-korea-contact-tracing-helped-control-nightclub-outbreak-2020-5%3famp
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Jonny 290 posted:i like everything except the contact tracing because if we ever built that up significantly and used it to beat corona they'd use it to beat lefties and such singapore of all places managed to build a contact tracing system that only held the actual contacts on each individual's phone and compared them to known positives that were sent by a central database it could be argued that they didn't need to use such an app as a trojan horse due to how pervasive their surveillance state already is but still
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PCjr sidecar posted:https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1274105780460011521?s=21 if you trade a death today for a death a month from now, you've done a little bit of good, but not a lot. that's how the lockdown policy in a lot of places looks to me, but I guess others see it pretty differently?
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DuckConference posted:if you trade a death today for a death a month from now, you've done a little bit of good, but not a lot. that's how the lockdown policy in a lot of places looks to me, but I guess others see it pretty differently? we're choosing three deaths now and nine deaths in a month instead of one death in a month but even if you're only swapping one death now vs one death later, there's two reasons to do that: 1. you're buying time to learn what therapies work (see steroid treatment that had a 30% reduction in fatality for patients on vents/oxygen) and what doesn't (hydrochloroquinine lol) 2. if you keep the rate lower you don't collapse your health care system so all the other health care needs can still be met we don't know if we can get to 70% with enough antibodies; we don't know how long antibodies last. we don't know if 70% would be sufficient. we don't know what percentage are going to come away with permanent lung or kidney damage. crippling 20% of the population and killing 1-3% is going to have a bigger impact than borrowing and printing enough money to keep people alive w/o a job you don't need a full lockdown. none of this poo poo has to happen.
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DuckConference posted:if you trade a death today for a death a month from now, you've done a little bit of good, but not a lot. that's how the lockdown policy in a lot of places looks to me, but I guess others see it pretty differently? the key is keeping the number of critically sick underneath the local hospital's ability to effectively treat them. once you pass ICU capacity not only do covid deaths skyrocket but everything-deaths skyrocket edit: also yeah we're buying time so scientists/doctors can figure out wtf is even going on
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ICUs in California were already pretty bad afaik so lol if poo poo picks up
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it seemed like curve had been "flattened" enough in most places for ICU capacity to not be an issue, but it looks like Arizona and Florida might be about to test that theory, so that's a reasonable point. i think the point I'm trying to make is that people's political/personal/economic tolerance for lockdown measures turns out to have been a very limited resource, and I don't think it's being spent in an efficient way. like right now we need to find a set of measures that are tolerable for 1+ year while avoiding health care system collapse and it doesn't seem like anyone in charge is pursuing policies that make sense. like we're angry about idiots being being anti-mask, but it was only 3 months ago that their own government was telling them that masks don't work. i want people in charge who can handle a crisis better than the cast of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, and I don't just mean trump, the new york leadership poo poo the bed completely and yet people seem fine with that? people want to make statues for Dr. Fauci and he was totally fine with lying to people about the effectiveness of masks back in february.
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stay away from indoor crowds and wear a mask if you need to go into public spaces indoors for limited times there you go- that's the solution
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DuckConference posted:like we're angry about idiots being being anti-mask, but it was only 3 months ago that their own government was telling them that masks don't work. i loving hate this post. this is one of the most toxic attitudes in american society. stop excusing it. yes, the doctors said one thing and now they say another thing! sometimes you have one understanding of a concept, and then you get some new data, and you incorporate the new data into your understanding and you maybe form a different conclusion that is not the same as the one you made with less data. this is called "learning." a five-year-old understands this and knows that it is a good thing. but no, that's not how america works. if someone says "i used to think that way, but i got some more input and considered it some more and now i think this way" they're immediately labeled a liar and a hypocrite. it's absolutely pervasive. remember how one of the biggest smears against john kerry was that he "waffled?" form an opinion about the world at age 12, never perform a single act of introspection, hold those views until you die. that's the american way. gently caress
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Melbourne going back to only five people allowed in a house because community transmission is growing again. We only have 25 new cases today (not all community) but thats twice what we had yesterday 
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Sagebrush posted:i loving hate this post. this is one of the most toxic attitudes in american society. stop excusing it. to be fair the us federal government has been pretty much negative value through this so disregarding anything that a federal official says regardless of position or party affiliation or a republican official says regardless of position will probably get you closer to the truth.
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Arcteryx Anarchist posted:weren’t the surgeon general and like cdc putting out contradictory information at points? probably. i can’t keep score anymore.
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Arcteryx Anarchist posted:I also finally got a chair my neighbour cannot afford chair great success
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the maddening thing for me is living in a city with 8 million people crammed together (lol at ever being 6 feet away from anyone here) and we've had 1100 cases, 50 people hospitalized, and 4 deaths. Four. the county my parents live in is like 100k people - most of that is a fairly educated college town and they've blown past our numbers by a lot. it's loving sad. I'd fly them over here but lol at going through ohaire right now
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DuckConference posted:if you trade a death today for a death a month from now, you've done a little bit of good, but not a lot. that's how the lockdown policy in a lot of places looks to me, but I guess others see it pretty differently? look at what we managed with new zealand. until some morons lied we had no new cases for 24 days in a row, and at one stage had no active cases. we locked down for 5 weeks and it was extensive plus no one protested it lol
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DuckConference posted:i think the point I'm trying to make is that people's political/personal/economic tolerance for lockdown measures turns out to have been a very limited resource, and I don't think it's being spent in an efficient way. like right now we need to find a set of measures that are tolerable for 1+ year while avoiding health care system collapse and it doesn't seem like anyone in charge is pursuing policies that make sense. a bit of controversial stuff in the rest of the post(s), but i do think this is exactly right. and if everyone got to do this over i think it'd be done with a far better understanding of what sustainable action looks like. a good 5 week lockdown seems very doable (given timely guarantees of support systems being provided), but a decent 5 month lockdown, much less an 18 month one, is probably simply not possible with the populations most countries have. one can spend a lot of time gnashing teeth about how people are stupid for it, but that helps nothing. good communication would have gone a long way, making it clear that the lockdown is firm but temporary, but in exchange other rules; social distancing, no working sick (with an associated federal sick pay), washing of hands, masks; are here indefinitely. as it is people bundle them all together in their minds, and they end up rebelling against all parts when one gets too difficult to tolerate.
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Sagebrush posted:i loving hate this post. this is one of the most toxic attitudes in american society. stop excusing it. well i mean none of the health experts were really saying masks didnt work because they honestly believed they didnt work. they were lying to prevent a run on masks so there were enough for healthcare workers. maybe the government shouldnt constantly ruin its credibility if it wants people to listen
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