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Vakal posted:Great if you can't afford it, sucks if you can. Why does it suck if you can afford your own healthcare?
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May 16, 2020 05:58
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May 16, 2020 06:13
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Time_pants posted:Too recent? Nah, you just have a bad case of cspam brain and that is entertaining.
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May 16, 2020 07:03
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So are we getting another stimulus check or what?
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May 16, 2020 10:14
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Vakal posted:Great if you can't afford it, sucks if you can.
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May 16, 2020 13:50
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:Lol American exceptionalism even causes people to believe they're the only bad hegemon in history
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May 16, 2020 14:11
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We’re numbah one, baybeeeee!
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May 16, 2020 15:21
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LionArcher posted:So are we getting another stimulus check or what? Honestly? Probably. When will it happen and how much it will be? No idea.
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May 16, 2020 15:53
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Canada handled this relief check problem quickly and efficiently, and it's not like they aren't also an oligarchal, corporatist hell-state that also hates its poor and minorities. Shameful
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May 16, 2020 17:52
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I love that American Exceptionalism means that you can't do stuff that other countries handle with ease rather than being the only ones able to achieve things like landing on the moon.
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May 16, 2020 20:45
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Munin posted:I love that American Exceptionalism means that you can't do stuff that other countries handle with ease rather than being the only ones able to achieve things like landing on the moon. We only went to the moon because the Russians doing space stuff terrified our brave leaders, and we had a lot of Nazi help to get there. I’m starting to think that my country may not, in fact, be the best one ever.
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May 16, 2020 21:03
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Pvt.Scott posted:We only went to the moon because the Russians doing space stuff terrified our brave leaders, and we had a lot of Nazi help to get there. I’m starting to think that my country may not, in fact, be the best one ever. we just hire the smart people from other places to make us look successful it’s a good system
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May 16, 2020 21:05
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naem posted:we just hire the smart people from other places to make us look successful it’s a good system Wait, wait, wait, the US is the NY Yankees of countries? This...this...I need to sit down.
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May 16, 2020 21:40
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Solice Kirsk posted:Wait, wait, wait, the US is the NY Yankees of countries? This...this...I need to sit down. Oh come on. Our best and brightest are legacy Ivy League burnouts who have perfected outsourcing anything that requires real talent. Have your little fainting spell, but you knew the truth. 
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May 17, 2020 04:18
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Yeah, we were all taught in school and brought up to believe America is the best...but get this (puts on cool shades and looks straight into camera)...we're not really that cool.
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May 17, 2020 04:26
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Pvt.Scott posted:We only went to the moon because the Russians doing space stuff terrified our brave leaders, and we had a lot of Nazi help to get there. I’m starting to think that my country may not, in fact, be the best one ever. If you have 90 seconds you should watch the opening scene of The Newsroom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIpKfw17-yY Oh wait is this not cspam
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May 17, 2020 04:33
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Pvt.Scott posted:Canada handled this relief check problem quickly and efficiently, and it's not like they aren't also an oligarchal, corporatist hell-state that also hates its poor and minorities. Shameful Because they never bothered even taking 10 seconds to look at the applications before sending the money out to see if the people requesting it met the requirements. It's going to lead to a poo poo show down the line since the CRA says they are going to take money paid out to fraudulent claimants from their regular social service payments like welfare/family allowance/GST etc. I personally know several people that haven't worked in years that have been on a 24/7 booze and drug binge since they got their CERB cheques because "lol, free money!".
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May 17, 2020 04:54
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Waltzing Along posted:Why does it suck if you can afford your own healthcare? Because you don't have the option to expedite services even if you are willing to pay for it . Everyone gets put in the same queue. I've had to wait 8 months for a MRI scan before. If I lived closer to the U.S. border I would have gladly went into a private hospital paid out of my own pocket to get it done immediately.
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May 17, 2020 05:00
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Vakal posted:Because you don't have the option to expedite services even if you are willing to pay for it . Everyone gets put in the same queue. Isn't 100% of canada within a 1 hour plane ride of the US border? Not to belittle you (too much) but if you really needed an MRI immediately wouldn't they have bumped you to the front of the queue I'm planning on going to Hungary to get dental work done not because I'm rich but because I'm too poor to get it done here. Dental work round trip including air fare and hotel is half the cost if you're getting more than one tooth done. We fly to Mexico to get prescriptions topped up at least once a year, in fact if you walk across the Mexican border south of San Diego it's literally the first half mile is just pharmacies
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May 17, 2020 05:24
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Vakal posted:Because they never bothered even taking 10 seconds to look at the applications before sending the money out to see if the people requesting it met the requirements. To be fair, does it really matter? If your goal is to keep money flowing from the bottom up in the economy, may as well do the bare minimum for costly and time-consuming means testing and work the details out later. Giving unemployed boozers money still serves the purpose.
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May 17, 2020 06:02
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LionArcher posted:So are we getting another stimulus check or what? One in four of us statistically is getting an unemployment check every week. Is that not stimulating enough? *Ron Howard voice “it isn’t”.
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May 17, 2020 06:16
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Hadlock posted:If you have 90 seconds you should watch the opening scene of The Newsroom Rose-colored glasses revisionist BS when he pivots to his proto-MAGA speech. I hate this scene with such a passion, it makes me pray for number go down
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May 17, 2020 06:43
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Vakal posted:Because you don't have the option to expedite services even if you are willing to pay for it . Everyone gets put in the same queue. you're complaining that you can't skip ahead of someone else for medical care
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May 17, 2020 07:25
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Inept posted:you're complaining that you can't skip ahead of someone else for medical care
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May 17, 2020 07:42
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Inept posted:you're complaining that you can't skip ahead of someone else for medical care
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May 17, 2020 08:00
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Inept posted:you're complaining that you can't skip ahead of someone else for medical care  I want to put this quote in a little jar and whip it out whenever necessary. Maybe I can throw money at the doctor that way I can receive medical care before anyone else no matter their problem, based solely on my ability to pay more than them. This is how healthcare should be provided.
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May 17, 2020 08:02
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jokes posted:
New Zealand is like that, you can either wait for the public system to get to you or have insurance and/or pay for private. Works p well, particularly along with free accident cover.
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May 17, 2020 08:21
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sebmojo posted:New Zealand is like that, you can either wait for the public system to get to you or have insurance and/or pay for private. Works p well, particularly along with free accident cover. You can do that in the UK too.
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May 17, 2020 08:26
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Canada: "I had to wait 8 months for an MRI". USA: Hell, I'll own up to it. Me IRL right now: "I've had a lump the size of an orange for at least five years, occasionally it hurts. Can't afford to even tell a doctor it exists, even when I (briefly) had insurance." I haven't chewed with the left side of my teeth in about three years, because I have a giant hole in one of them that stuff gets packed into. At least now it's large enough that I can mostly clean it out now. At least I still have all four of my wisdom teeth. Oh wait, the pressure from those is what cause another tooth to crack off at the root. Luckily it was on the same side as the holey tooth. A couple years ago my depression went into a super deep low. Like, I'm used to a background level of 'misery with high points of numb, and suicidal thoughts', and this was bad by that standard. When I realized that keeping a length of rope in the car in case I found something suitably tall and remote to use it and not be found for a while should be a warning sign, I sought help. I found 5 charities in driving distance for psychiatric help. Best price was $500 for the first consultation. Cash up front. Just gently caress anybody that really thinks the USA system of 'die in a gutter you poor piece of poo poo' is better than literally anything else.
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May 17, 2020 08:28
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I don't understand. You absolutely have the option to get care from a private practice in Canada. Last year I had get an MRI and I was told I could wait five months for the one in the hospital or pay a clinic to get in sooner. I'm poor so I waited the five months but the option was still there. Then again I'm still waiting on referral for a neurologist more than a year down the road. poo poo is slow but at least I'm not in debt. If I had the cash though I could probably find a private practice that would provide relatively fast and adequate care.
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May 17, 2020 10:23
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That’s the problem. Gating healthcare behind paying money for expedience or quality is a piece of poo poo move, and skipping or moving up the line because you can pay is also a piece of poo poo move on everyone’s part: the provider, the patient, everyone. Imagine there’s a Disneyland, and it has two lines for two versions of the same ride. You can get into one version for free with your price of admission, but the other one you need to pay an extra $200 to use. The problem isn’t that your normal line is slow, or that the fast line is a welcome respite. It’s that the system could have been designed where there’s one line and two rides, making the line move twice as fast. And odds are, the $200 ride is kept in better condition because Disney, Inc. is seeking to make a profit. Now imagine getting on the ride at all is a life-or-death situation. Should there really be a $200 line? If the normal line gets too long where’s the incentive to add an additional normal line, when they could just let the normal line get so long there’s more demand for the $200 ride. Let’s say it’s an 8-month line to get on that ride. With healthcare it’s such an inelastic service that the profit incentive is way, way too huge to pass up an opportunity to make the system have an inefficiency and offer a profit-motivated solution that’s horribly unethical.
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May 17, 2020 10:45
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Disney does do that btw. You can pay extra to skip the lines (for the most part) lol
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May 17, 2020 10:53
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It's called Disney FastPass and they already did that when I went in about 2000. Pay more, wait less.
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May 17, 2020 11:04
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Vakal posted:I personally know several people that haven't worked in years that have been on a 24/7 booze and drug binge since they got their CERB cheques because "lol, free money!". government can't take the money back if you spend it all
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May 17, 2020 11:41
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Vakal posted:Because they never bothered even taking 10 seconds to look at the applications before sending the money out to see if the people requesting it met the requirements. Seems like a very effective stimulus plan. Pulling money for "fraudulent" claims from SS payments seems punitive rather than a forced error.
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May 17, 2020 13:54
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jokes posted:That’s the problem. Gating healthcare behind paying money for expedience or quality is a piece of poo poo move, and skipping or moving up the line because you can pay is also a piece of poo poo move on everyone’s part: the provider, the patient, everyone. As someone said, no need to imagine. It exists, even in Canada (Wonderland Fastpass) and  That being said where the hell are you people waiting 5, 8 months for MRIs? Last one I got I waited 6 weeks I think?
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May 17, 2020 14:27
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Inept posted:you're complaining that you can't skip ahead of someone else for medical care Not really. The thing to take into consideration is that "free health care" isn't free, it's paid for mainly through income tax. So if you're person who's making decent money you are paying a shitload into the healthcare system every year, but that fact is not taken into consideration when it's time to actually time to get services provided. It's like getting basic coverage despite paying for premium. And on top of that there's the whole issue with Doctor retention. Here in Canada at least we have a hell of a time keeping doctors around for more than a few years since they can make so much more money in the states. Vakal fucked around with this message at 14:46 on May 17, 2020 |
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May 17, 2020 14:43
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Watch this clown say that progressive tax is unfair 
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May 17, 2020 14:45
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:As someone said, no need to imagine. It exists, even in Canada (Wonderland Fastpass) and I'm guessing it was either it was less critical (hence the wait) or they live in the middle of nowhere. There's a fuckload of hospitals in Toronto where you can get an MRI. Less so in Northern Ontario. Like triaging absolutely is a thing. "My leg sorta hurts" will usually take a while. But if there's a whiff of cancer, watch as you zoom to the front of the line. Not to mention other imaging isn't nearly as bad. I went to my doctor with weird vague headaches (turned out to be jaw issues) and had a CT like a few days later.
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Vakal posted:Not really. The thing to take into consideration is that "free health care" isn't free, it's paid for mainly through income tax. 1990s Conrad Black is that you? Of course it's not free you idiot, nobody thinks that. But you don't get special Premium Plus Police Service because you pay more income tax. What, do you want the fire department to send an extra bonus truck to your house for every extra $100,000 you report on your taxes? IIRC doctor retention isn't the issue it used to be in the sense of everyone going to the US like it was in the 90s (not that it doesn't happen ever but it's not the issue anyone focuses on anymore). It's more localized out east because nobody wants to live in the loving maritimes (but that's an issue for all jobs). Like a hospital like Sunnybrook isn't ever hurting for candidates. However most are hiring less thanks to recent funding cuts which ties into one of the other big problems with retention of physicians, burnout due to workload. Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 15:02 on May 17, 2020 |
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