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Which season should the next animated reconstruction be from?
Season 1 (Marco Polo)
Season 2 (The Crusade)
Season 3 (Galaxy 4/The Myth Makers/The Daleks' Master Plan/The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve/The Celestial Toymaker/The Savages)
Season 4 (The Smugglers/The Highlanders/The Underwater Menace/The Evil of the Daleks)
Season 5 (The Abominable Snowmen/The Web of Fear/The Wheel in Space)
Season 6 (The Space Pirates)
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Fair Bear Maiden
Jun 17, 2013


Barry Foster posted:

Ugh

It's just going to Briggsy again isn't it

It's apparently an impersonator who played the War Doctor in a bunch of online projects. Really don't feel particularly good about this, even though "the War Doctor when he was younger" could be a good idea.

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jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!


Dinosaur Gum

Just listened to the except, Jonathon Carley does a pretty good Younger John Hurt. The sets are starting literally right after Night, the expert has Ohilia mentioning that they're about to bury Kass. I'm cautiously optimistic

Rochallor
Apr 22, 2010


It's wonderful that we've reached the ''tribute act singer joining the actual band'' stage of the IP.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible




Rochallor posted:

It's wonderful that we've reached the ''tribute act singer joining the actual band'' stage of the IP.

It's been that way for years, with no less than THREE First Doctors (David Bradley, William Russell, and Peter Purves), Frazier Hines as the Second, and Tim Treloar as the Third.

Then of course, you had Bradley and Richard Hurndell as the First on TV.

It'll be interesting if BF can/will license photos of a young John Hurt for the covers.

Davros1 fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Oct 14, 2020

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013


tbh I think I'd care more if there was any sense of who the writers were and what the plots are.

jivjov posted:

Just listened to the except, Jonathon Carley does a pretty good Younger John Hurt. The sets are starting literally right after Night, the expert has Ohilia mentioning that they're about to bury Kass. I'm cautiously optimistic

I'm pretty sure that's a recast too.

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017


Reminds me of David Bradley, in that it's close enough to get the job done, but it lacks the spark the original actor brought to the role

Zaroff
Nov 10, 2009

Nothing in the world can stop me now!

Bradley did a really good William Hartnell, but his First Doctor was poo poo.

Teek
Aug 7, 2006

I can't wait to entertain you.


I think I like this approach, since it's a newly regenerated version of War, the fact his voice sounds a little younger/off is sensible. Thankfully we at least got the one box set with Hurt and the 50th to cap off his eventual run.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


I should have put my voice samples up, I do a great John Hurt too.

OldMemes
Sep 5, 2011

I have to go now. My planet needs me.


cargohills posted:

The catch is that it's the first of four parts of a(n expensive) box set, which is the first of a(n expensive) four box set series, which is one of four Paul McGann box set series that already exist with more undoubtedly on the way.

Yeah its the price that puts me off, but the older audios are like £3 each digitally, so I might have to get some, because I've only heard a handful of the audios before.

cargohills
Apr 17, 2014



The old ones are worth it I'd say. Not everything's great but all the best stories are from the £3 collection.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

Brush your teeth.


Zaroff posted:

Bradley did a really good William Hartnell, but his First Doctor was poo poo.

I actually think I prefer Hurndall's portrayal. It's not very good at all - it's big and broad and a bit silly - but Bradley's just doesn't even feel like the First Doctor to me.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!


Dinosaur Gum

Barry Foster posted:

I actually think I prefer Hurndall's portrayal. It's not very good at all - it's big and broad and a bit silly - but Bradley's just doesn't even feel like the First Doctor to me.

It's more the writing than the performance I think--he does just fine in the Big Finish stuff that's using the Adventure in Space and Time cast, but that Christmas special turned him into a caricature of 60s toxic sexism and I still can't tell if that was meant to be poking at the era of the show, the era of society in general, or some kind of horrid misremembrance of how the character was.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


I really like Bradley as Hartnell, but I feel like he should have watched some 1st Doctor stuff to properly get the mannerisms a little better. He does pauses in places Hartnell wouldn't have.

Rochallor
Apr 22, 2010


Bradley wasn't doing anything too special in Twice Upon A Time, but honestly I didn't think he was that great in the docudrama either. It was less his performance, though, and more the scripting of Hartnell as starting to lose it during his tenure as the Doctor. It's cliche, and also kind of unfounded. Like I wasn't there, but a lot of that was shot in one or two takes, and Hartnell is doing a fine job with it. I think most of what people take as dementia is just acting, most of the time. He's so difficult to watch by the time of The Three Doctors, but that was quite a few years later.

That Christmas special overall was really hampered by the feeling that nobody wanted to be doing it. Moffat was clearly done with the show, Capaldi was on autopilot, I think Bill was there and it was nice to see her. That final speech reads like it was dashed out on a napkin on that way to the studio.

And yet it still has one of the funniest jokes Moffat's ever written: casting the two runners-up to the showrunner job as opposing soldiers shooting at each other in a trench.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.



The_Doctor posted:

I really like Bradley as Hartnell, but I feel like he should have watched some 1st Doctor stuff to properly get the mannerisms a little better. He does pauses in places Hartnell wouldn't have.

I think it's fine for two different actors to give their own two different performances of the same character (the first doctor). rather than expecting an exact imitation of how someone else played him.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

Brush your teeth.


jivjov posted:

It's more the writing than the performance I think--he does just fine in the Big Finish stuff that's using the Adventure in Space and Time cast, but that Christmas special turned him into a caricature of 60s toxic sexism and I still can't tell if that was meant to be poking at the era of the show, the era of society in general, or some kind of horrid misremembrance of how the character was.

Huh I didn't realise he was working with BF

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!


Dinosaur Gum

Barry Foster posted:

Huh I didn't realise he was working with BF

4 volumes so far, using the TARDIS crew from the docudrama. Fair warning, the first set does feature noted transphobe James Dreyfus playing the first incarnation of the Master so that may be something to avoid depending on how strongly you feel about not supporting his work.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man



I'd watch another Bradley as first doctor story in a heartbeat, but like everyone in this thread I will just put my face in the trough and happily eat no matter what gets thrown in there.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001





Not sure how I feel about this. I mean, I was the one who said I wanted War in TL:V, but I was thinking comics or a novel. On the other hand, I'm usually fine with recasting so we can enjoy stories with older Doctors, and I've whined before about them being so hesitant to recast some of the prime players in Dark Shadows (which is a soap opera and recasting is par for the course!). I guess it seems a bit soon after Hurt died for me.


Davros1 posted:

It's been that way for years, with no less than THREE First Doctors (David Bradley, William Russell, and Peter Purves), Frazier Hines as the Second, and Tim Treloar as the Third.

Then of course, you had Bradley and Richard Hurndell as the First on TV.

It'll be interesting if BF can/will license photos of a young John Hurt for the covers.

IMO Peter Purves is the best First, though William Russell plays a better Hartnell nowadays than he does Young Ian!

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.


The_Doctor posted:

I should have put my voice samples up, I do a great John Hurt too.

Oh for God's sake.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006



My current classic re-watch has stalled out at The Twin Dilemma, just like the last one did. Got through Caves of Androzani in one sitting and it's taken me two weeks to get halfway though Twin Dilemma.

It's just so boring, and bad, and the Doctor is the worst in it

Androzani to Twins has to be the worst episode quality whiplash in all of Doctor Who. How can they go from one of the best ever to this tedious poo poo?

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


Do what we're doing and watch them in a random order

Homora Gaykemi
Apr 30, 2020

"We live together in her Skull Cave. We cook each other dinner all the time. She gifted me this beautiful horse. Do you think I should ask her out?"*

*Ancient lesbo saying



I can't pretend like I'm not guilty given I've bought a couple of the First Doctor and Third Doctor Adventures but I just don't really feel this.

Like, if it was going to be something in the style of the Companion Chronicles or Early Adventures then yeah, I don't know that I really need these stories but I like that format so I'd possibly be receptive to the idea of more War Doctor stories told that way.

I just, knowing that the recasting debate is kind of old hat at this point, feel like regeneration is already the show's built in means of recasting and that "recasting" a particular incarnation of the Doctor is really missing the point. They already recast Bill Hartnell, that was how we got Patrick Troughton's Doctor Who

McGann
May 18, 2003

Get up you son of a bitch! 'Cause Mickey loves you!



Homora Gaykemi posted:

I can't pretend like I'm not guilty given I've bought a couple of the First Doctor and Third Doctor Adventures but I just don't really feel this.

Like, if it was going to be something in the style of the Companion Chronicles or Early Adventures then yeah, I don't know that I really need these stories but I like that format so I'd possibly be receptive to the idea of more War Doctor stories told that way.

I just, knowing that the recasting debate is kind of old hat at this point, feel like regeneration is already the show's built in means of recasting and that "recasting" a particular incarnation of the Doctor is really missing the point. They already recast Bill Hartnell, that was how we got Patrick Troughton's Doctor Who

I still can't find the clip that shows his impersonation of Hurt. Anyone got a link handy or am I missing the obvious?

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017


McGann posted:

I still can't find the clip that shows his impersonation of Hurt. Anyone got a link handy or am I missing the obvious?

https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/st...353652840378368

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006



MrL_JaKiri posted:

Do what we're doing and watch them in a random order

That does sound like fun. I might do that for Star Trek. But I'm determined to finish this re-watch in order, get all the way to 13.

Now made it to Attack of the Cybermen, which is ok I guess. After how terrible Twin Dilemma was I don't really have strong feelings about this one.

OldMemes
Sep 5, 2011

I have to go now. My planet needs me.


OK, so if I'm getting my head around it, the two novels are the main plot of TLV, and all the other stuff is filling in side stories about those?
Also apparently remenents of Faction Paradox show up in one of the side stories? I thought they weren't canon to the main Doctor Who universe, since the Eighth Doctor Adventures take place in an alternative timeline, but I guess that multiverse hopping is sort of their thing.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


I gotta say, the animated Macra Terror was pretty solid and made me like the show way more than I did for the first reconstructed version of it I watched. It makes me wonder... maybe I'd even like The Space Pirates if I could at least see it in motion to go with the audio...

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

The Timeless Child is THE DOCTOR? Oh, for God's sake!


Thatís why I voted in the poll the way I did - the Space Pirates has everything to gain by being animated.

Wolfechu
May 2, 2009

All the world's a stage I'm going through



Happy in the knowledge that I'm so far behind on Big Finish, that by the time I catch up to someone else playing the War Doctor, either John Hurt will have been dead for a respectful amount of time, or I will have been.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001





Not sure if he's pulling it off or not. He doesn't sound like Hurt's Doctor, but he's also playing him younger so...

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010

Like a bull in a china shop.

Well, if the bull owned the china shop.


Astroman posted:

Not sure if he's pulling it off or not. He doesn't sound like Hurt's Doctor, but he's also playing him younger so...

I could buy him as 'younger John Hurt'. But to be more specific, in Night of the Doctor itself they showed the younger War Doctor, using an actual picture of a younger John Hurt as basis. I know that picture is from something he was actually in, or at least from when he was acting. I know basicallly nothing of John Hurt roles, but maybe compare against, like... Alien, maybe?

Tomtrek
Feb 5, 2006

I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming.




Jerusalem posted:

I gotta say, the animated Macra Terror was pretty solid and made me like the show way more than I did for the first reconstructed version of it I watched. It makes me wonder... maybe I'd even like The Space Pirates if I could at least see it in motion to go with the audio...

I really liked the animated Macra Terror but I'm still annoyed they cut one of the best scenes from Episode 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjyJQbyR_4k

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017


https://twitter.com/tardis_monkey/s...531735961952256

McGann
May 18, 2003

Get up you son of a bitch! 'Cause Mickey loves you!



Cleretic posted:

I could buy him as 'younger John Hurt'. But to be more specific, in Night of the Doctor itself they showed the younger War Doctor, using an actual picture of a younger John Hurt as basis. I know that picture is from something he was actually in, or at least from when he was acting. I know basicallly nothing of John Hurt roles, but maybe compare against, like... Alien, maybe?

Thank you, Astroman.

And I absolutely can buy this as a younger John Hurt. If anything, I'd say compare him to Time After Time - which doesn't hold up as well, but as a mixture of our War Doctor and earlier Hurt, I think it works to show the character versus the actor.

Action Jacktion
Jun 3, 2003


McGann posted:

And I absolutely can buy this as a younger John Hurt. If anything, I'd say compare him to Time After Time - which doesn't hold up as well, but as a mixture of our War Doctor and earlier Hurt, I think it works to show the character versus the actor.

You mean the movie? That was Malcolm McDowell and David Warner, not John Hurt.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010




you know what bums me out? I don't actually mind a lot of the plot from season 11/12, (timeless child fuckery aside) but dear god, the music. Murry Gold will never release that last season of music, and I want it. That finally mash up as he's giving his goodbye speech of the bird speech his theme is so good... Ugh. the new music is fine at times and 12's theme is pretty good, but episode to episode it isn't like old Gold. drat he's good.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.


I was watching The Beast Must Die last night, a mid-70s Amicus movie about a wealthy hunter who brings a group of people he suspects to be werewolves to his estate, and one of the would-be werewolves sounded so drat familiar but I just couldnít quite place it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6WErKYNTAA

And then it hit me.



Duggan! You can always count on Amicus to hire a Doctor Who alum.

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Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible




Big Mean Jerk posted:

I was watching The Beast Must Die last night, a mid-70s Amicus movie about a wealthy hunter who brings a group of people he suspects to be werewolves to his estate, and one of the would-be werewolves sounded so drat familiar but I just couldnít quite place it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6WErKYNTAA

And then it hit me.



Duggan! You can always count on Amicus to hire a Doctor Who alum.

He was also in one scene of Casino Royale as La Chiffe's stockbroker/accountant(?).

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