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Why would being in a coma stop a yeerk from controlling you like normal, aren't they already forcing brainwaves and stuff? Do yeerks lose control when you're asleep? Do they lucid dream, unable to control your body? Why can't Ax just morph a fly, fly into the white house and then demorph, why do they need the secret service guy as a go between morph?
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 08:47 |
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# ? Apr 25, 2024 14:16 |
I'm pretty sure HA3 is in an induced coma, with almost complete paralysis. As for getting into the White House, it's probably one of the most secure buildings on Earth. You might get in, but getting to the President without getting wasted and/or President being very rapidly removed? Uncertain at best.
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 08:52 |
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GodFish posted:Why would being in a coma stop a yeerk from controlling you like normal, aren't they already forcing brainwaves and stuff? Do yeerks lose control when you're asleep? Do they lucid dream, unable to control your body? The Capture strongly implies that Yeerks are basically just locked in an immobilized body while the host is unconscious. Jake falls asleep at one point or another and Temrash doesn't try to do anything with his body in that time, but is clearly still conscious himself because he watches Jake's dreams and then shitposts about it after Jake wakes up. It seems to be a similar prospect to how a host dying also fries the Yeerk if they can't get out of the body or at least disconnect from the brain in time. Trying to exert control over a host while the host is unconscious is probably like trying to maneuver a car that's just lost its power steering--technically doable, but incredibly difficult and dangerous.
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 08:55 |
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drat being a yeerk really sucks lol
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 08:58 |
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GodFish posted:Why would being in a coma stop a yeerk from controlling you like normal, aren't they already forcing brainwaves and stuff? Do yeerks lose control when you're asleep? Do they lucid dream, unable to control your body? I think (though this is, like, "Harry has to go back to the Dursleys because of maaaaagic" reasoning - the actual answer is that it would disrupt the series) alerting the government would be a bold move that could trigger an all-out war. The Yeerks don't want an all-out war because while they'd eventually win, it would be devastating and kill hundreds of millions or maybe billions of potential hosts, and the Animorphs don't want that either for obvious reasons. Although even as I write this I realise that this is basically exactly their plan here, so...?
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 09:18 |
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GodFish posted:drat being a yeerk really sucks lol And that is their entire motive for galactic conquest.
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 10:02 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I'm honestly wondering what Visser Three's standing orders re: bandits are. I'm guessing something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSgrumHw-XA but with the boss replaced with Kylo Ren
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 11:26 |
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If I was in a fight with the Andalite Bandits and actually killed one with witnesses around, I'd instantly steal a Bug Fighter warp to wherever Visser One is because otherwise I would definitely never be the head of a major coporation.
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 16:21 |
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I'd probably just start loudly announcing how cool it was that Visser 3 killed the Andalite bandit. "And then he turned himself into an Alligator. Called himself Vissergator. It was the coolest poo poo I ever saw."
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# ? Feb 23, 2021 18:20 |
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Animorphs-Book 18:The Decision-Chapter 9quote:“What?” Well, Ax managed to get out and morph the mosquito. I did like the "Do you have a membership fee?" question. Chapter 10 quote:That’s when my eyes stopped working. I was blind for a few seconds as the morph completed. I shrank some more, and suddenly from my forehead popped two bulging compound eyes. Pop isn't a good word. And the book is right. Mosquito-borne disease is very deadly.
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# ? Feb 24, 2021 04:28 |
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Some lucky Yeerk gets to recount "here's a trick I learned from Visser 3" during their debriefing, presumably to Visser 3.
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# ? Feb 24, 2021 04:41 |
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"And then he yelled "Here's a trick I learned from Visser Three" and ran away like a coward."
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# ? Feb 24, 2021 04:45 |
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freebooter posted:I think (though this is, like, "Harry has to go back to the Dursleys because of maaaaagic" reasoning - the actual answer is that it would disrupt the series) alerting the government would be a bold move that could trigger an all-out war. The Yeerks don't want an all-out war because while they'd eventually win, it would be devastating and kill hundreds of millions or maybe billions of potential hosts, and the Animorphs don't want that either for obvious reasons. Yeah that's the thing, I can buy not wanting to expose the truth but most of the time they seem to forget that and try to expose the truth, like with the water supply ship from earlier, or this plan.
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# ? Feb 24, 2021 08:04 |
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To be honest, we’re already at a point in the series where the team keeping missions confined to the weekend while able to keep going to school, gymnastics practice, etc. as usual most of the time is beyond my suspension of disbelief to handle. They’ve been introduced to dozens of nightmare alien creatures, been eviscerated, destroyed their homes in some cases, traveled to outer space, allied themselves with impossible invincible robots, discovered members of their family are enslaved by brain parasites, and met an elder god who transported them to a dystopian version of their future. There is no way Marco could force himself to still care about the outcome of a math test. For all its strengths, it is still a children’s series. And as much as it does to try to subvert the “team of plucky teens” Saturday morning cartoon vibe, its still beholden to some wild swings in logic — like suddenly wanting to expose the invasion — to keep the episodic narrative chugging along.
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# ? Feb 24, 2021 16:02 |
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If Marco stops going to school and Andalite bandit attacks start increasing on weekdays you know Chapman would be on that poo poo as long as he isn't busy not being undercover at all. Plus Jake will want to stop going also and then he'll get grounded and Tom will be suspicious etc etc. Although another point in Visser Three's favour: any other Yeerk in charge and Human-Controllers would be coming forward "hey the fact that we only get attacked on weekends seems significant my dude"
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# ? Feb 24, 2021 17:47 |
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In my headcanon the Yeerks have observed this pattern of weekend attacks and use it as evidence that the Andalite bandits have all taken human morphs and work regular 9-5 jobs to blend in. So they're constantly raiding offices in search of Andalite warriors and finding only confused and terrified humans. Outside the Sharing this is their major source of recruitment, because once you barge into someone's office with a troop of Hork-Bajir you have to do something with the witnesses and you can't kill everyone. Meanwhile in the alternate universe where this is actually true, instead of a YA book series it's a mockumentary TV show about five Andalite office drones and their clueless human manager.
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# ? Feb 24, 2021 18:32 |
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wizzardstaff posted:Meanwhile in the alternate universe where this is actually true, instead of a YA book series it's a mockumentary TV show about five Andalite office drones and their clueless human manager. I think it would go a little something... like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YPaD-S-lRo (except with a blue deer instead of a xenomorph)
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# ? Feb 24, 2021 18:54 |
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Pwnstar posted:Although another point in Visser Three's favour: any other Yeerk in charge and Human-Controllers would be coming forward "hey the fact that we only get attacked on weekends seems significant my dude" Any other Yeerk in charge, and the fact that only one of the Andalite bandits attacks as an Andalite while the rest do so in morphed form seems significant, given that Andalites don't morph to fight.
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feetnotes posted:They’ve been introduced to dozens of nightmare alien creatures, been eviscerated, destroyed their homes in some cases, traveled to outer space, allied themselves with impossible invincible robots, discovered members of their family are enslaved by brain parasites, and met an elder god who transported them to a dystopian version of their future. There is no way Marco could force himself to still care about the outcome of a math test. I think as the series goes on they do mention how their grades have plummeted because they just dgaf anymore. If you want to be really realistic about it, even witnessing the events of the first night in book one would have made their brains snap from reality and driven them to suicide or institutionalisation. Epicurius posted:Any other Yeerk in charge, and the fact that only one of the Andalite bandits attacks as an Andalite while the rest do so in morphed form seems significant, given that Andalites don't morph to fight. From memory Visser One does actually twig to this earlier than Visser Three.
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# ? Feb 24, 2021 22:02 |
I keep saying it. If Visser One was in charge, the war would have been over before they even knew what happened.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I keep saying it. If Visser One was in charge, the war would have been over before they even knew what happened. Visser One should be in charge of Earth, Visser Three should be in charge of Leera. That being said, Visser One has their own weaknesses, as we'll see.
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 00:42 |
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Animorphs-Book 18:The Decision-Chapter 11quote:There was a distinct popping sound and suddenly, instantly, I was no longer a mosquito tapping into a human’s vein. Touche. quote:The Andalite ship had come too close and had pulled us into its magnetic field. It was now dragging us in its wake as it blasted through Zspace. Hooray! Ax has been saved. Now he just has to deal with a bunch of suspcious Andalites who caught him floating in Z-Space with a bunch of humans.... Chapter 12 quote:<I am Aristh Aximili-Esgarrouth-Isthill,> I said. Aww. That's sweet. Also, I really like the doctor. Plus, Andalites!
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 04:20 |
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Holy poo poo, these books go places at the drop of a hat.
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Epicurius posted:Visser One should be in charge of Earth, Visser Three should be in charge of Leera. Visser One should be in charge of Earth, Visser Three should be in charge of a 7/11.
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 05:22 |
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Can you imagine Visser Three dealing with the 7/11 graveyard shift crowd?
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 05:26 |
nine-gear crow posted:Visser One should be in charge of Earth, Visser Three should be in charge of a 7/11. Visser Three is an excellent military leader. He's bloody hopeless at anything else.
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 05:30 |
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Visser Three's problem-solving skills start and end at "turn into a giant monster and eat the problem". His superiors must be even worse, since they apparently thought he was a good pick for a covert invasion. Suddenly this book is Star Trek with blue centaurs. The Ellimist got bored with the current plot and moved them into a new one.
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 05:35 |
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This story is clearly a ripoff of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 08:55 |
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I love how Ax's cover story is immediately, obviously a lie, but then he has the entirely fair defence of "man I was just a loving mosquito and then all of a sudden I wake up in Z Space and now I'm face to face with Andalites again after a year as a castaway." His lame cover story is honestly better than anything I could've come up with under the circumstances.quote:I’d laughed. After all, the odds were … I used to ride my bike home from school at full speed down a footpath on a steep hill with a bunch of driveways along it, and people always warned me not to because I might hit a car backing out a driveway, but I was fifteen years old and was like "pffftt what are the odds of that." Turns out if you do something every weekday for several years the odds are pretty good and one afternoon I smashed straight into a car and got knocked out and broke my arm, which was frankly getting off way lighter than I deserved.
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 13:15 |
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Well, seems like the mosquito plot has been abandoned, which is just as well, since it seemed like it wasn't very well thought out. ...once they drank the blood as mosquitos, how was Ax going to access that blood to Acquire it? He'd have to demorph first, right? Even if his stomach contents stuck around after demorphing, it seems unlikely that a drop of blood in his Andalite stomach-equivalent would be acquirable. Unless mosquitoes have the ability to vomit? Or was one of them going to get intentionally partially squished and demorph before they died to recover the blood???
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 14:41 |
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I just listened to a podcast where they mentioned that since blood's temperature is so hot, every time a mosquito sucks blood it also excretes blood onto itself so it can evaporate and help it cool down. So. There are ways.
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 14:53 |
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I thought Ax's lie was smart and deliberate - he's not allowed to tell them that there's something he isn't allowed to tell them. So rather than get himself put in the brig for treason he gives them the worst cover story he can think of while winking furiously.
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 15:27 |
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...not to say this is a bad book or anything. Any weirdness with the mosquito plan can be attributed to their relative inexperience with trying to acquire a morph this way, not bad writing. And this zero space accident twist is cool! I didn't read this far as a kid, so I only had a vague idea that the humans eventually met other Andalites, and I certainly didn't think it was this early in the series! I'm anticipating they're going to find out that Ax is a lot more mentally flexible and lot less formal than the adults of his society.
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 15:31 |
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Strategic Tea posted:I thought Ax's lie was smart and deliberate - he's not allowed to tell them that there's something he isn't allowed to tell them. It's also the lie he was specifically ordered to give. And the captain's smart enough to understand what's going on without making Ax say anything else.
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Shwoo posted:Visser Three's problem-solving skills start and end at "turn into a giant monster and eat the problem". His superiors must be even worse, since they apparently thought he was a good pick for a covert invasion. he does have a good head for military operations and ambushes- defeating the andalite force at the series start, ambushing the animorphs in the Tobias book with the fuel ship, completely owned them in the time travel Jake one. He's also had some plots that although they weren't successful were good ideas like scouring the forest in the Cassie/termite one or the morph hunter in the megamorphs. He also respects the capabilities and dangers of morphs, although it almost seems to be to the point of paranoia (like it's a recurring Thing where they have to run or scramble because V3 freaked out about an animal existing, so he's for sure giving them problems although you have to wonder how many times he's flipped out and it wasn't them)
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 18:03 |
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Right. Visser Three isn't stupid. He's just not particularly subtle. And even his non "kill the Animorph" plans aren't bad ones. He's good, for instance, at identifying pressure points and things, as can be seen with attempting to control both the governor who's going to run for President and the Deputy Director of the Secret Service. He is, however, a bully, paranoid, and willing to throw away Yeerk lives pretty much unnecessarily.
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 18:13 |
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He’d probably be great at any open warfare shock-and-war strategy.
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# ? Feb 25, 2021 18:17 |
e X posted:He’d probably be great at any open warfare shock-and-war strategy. He is. He very nearly wins it all.
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Animorphs-Book 18:The Decision-Chapter 13quote:“Hey, I have a question,” Marco said, raising his hand and waving it around in the air with a sense of urgency. Cassie gets nuance, Don't underestimate Miss Social Intelligence. quote:I wished I hadn’t used those words. My head was too full of problems and complications and every kind of emotion. I didn’t really want to think about being separated from my human friends. I'm not so sure Tobias is wrong. More importantly, Ax isn't so sure that Tobias is wrong. Chapter 14 quote:The Ascalin raced, engines wide-open, toward planet Leera. I watched from the bridge. For some reason the captain had called me there and seemed to want to keep me close by. Andalites are, in a lot of ways, an admirable people, but they are very much convinced of their own supremacy. And, both because this, and contributing to this, they don't deal with non-Andalites on anything like an equal footing. Something Ax learned from being on Earth, like Elfangor before him, and a few other Andalites we'll see who end up dealing with non-Andalites, is even though they're technologically more primitive, that doesn't mean they're naturally inferior and without value. And, I think you can read Ax's books in that light....that he's writing for other Andalites to try to convince them that humans have value (I accepted Jake as my prince! These humans put up a fight against the Yeerks! Humans invented books before computers! They have taste and have invented all sorts of wonderful things like cinnamon buns! They're brave! They're resilient! They have their own sense of honor!) quote:The T.O. looked angry. I didn’t regret having spoken up, but I was waiting for him to - So, the ship will...not turn it around? This is bad. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Feb 26, 2021 |
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