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Sorry if this is carrying over discussion from the horror thread, but does Jurassic Park even count as a horror franchise? That said, there's some unfortunate matchups. I also lament Psycho's position right now and rated it in the top half of my bracket, so I'm surprised to see it be fighting for the bubble spot. Maybe it's cause too many people just think of it as a standalone film and don't consider the sequels? (Though, while 2 and 3 are shockingly good, the fourth one sucks). But that said, Phantasm going up against Elm Street? Universal Monsters vs. Rob Zombie in the first round? TCM vs. Jaws? Man that's brutal.
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I dunno, don't get me wrong I adore Jurassic Park it's one my all timers, but I just don't see it as horror even if it's got suspense and some scares. I think it's overwhelmingly an adventure movie in the classic mold, which is why I put it near the bottom of my rankings.
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Mar 23, 2020 15:07
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So looking at the bracket I gotta level here: I really hope Texas Chainsaw knocks out Halloween. The only individual film on here better than the original TCM is Night of the Living Dead and then the sequels just go off the rails in all sorts of directions. Truly one of the all time greats and while I get why it's not a number one seed it's just impeccable and deserves to make it to the finals.
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Mar 23, 2020 15:17
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I could see voting for Universal Monsters over F13 but that's probably the only real challenger. Springwood is absolutely the toughest bracket but if we get to Evil Dead vs. Phantasm we know we'll have done right. edit: Alien might have an opportunity of an upset over NotLD but that would be the wrong choice. NotLD is like an all time 10 Greatest Films ever made and Dawn and Day are just unimpeachable sequels. TrixRabbi fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Mar 23, 2020 |
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Mar 23, 2020 17:55
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poo poo, how did we all miss Silence of the Lambs/Hannibal Lecter?
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Mar 23, 2020 22:25
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Voting for The Purge because ain't no laws on Purge Night.
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Mar 26, 2020 19:05
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Ok, reasons to vote for Final Destination, lest we forget how great that series is: - It is the ultimate Slasher movie. What is a slasher killer but a nigh unstoppable specter of death? Final Destination cuts out the middle man and takes the genre to its logical conclusion. - It straight up does have some of the all time great horror deaths from the ladder through the eye spectacular in Final Destination 2 to the gymnastics routine in 3. It's just constant goodness. - The series total, unashamed love for Rube Goldberg setups. - Devon Sawa, Ali Larter, Mary Elizabeth Winstead and Tony Todd. - The kid from Smart House and The Luck of the Irish gets splattered on a subway wall in 3. - The fifth movie is somehow, shockingly really good! And it has the best ending reveal.
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Mar 26, 2020 19:23
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I am heartened by Final Destination's well deserved victory. Death's comin' for ya
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Mar 31, 2020 16:29
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TCM is also just Hard Horror, whereas Jaws has always felt tenuously a horror movie to me. I just see it more as an adventure film with scary moments, personally. Like it's a summer movie, not October viewing. TCM, however, is just unimpeachable. One of the scariest films ever made, grimy and disgusting, full of pure and unfiltered id. The only other individual film in this bracket that can give it a run for its money is Night of the Living Dead. Don't get me wrong, Jaws is up there with the all time greatest films ever made, but when ranking horror films I gotta give TCM the clear advantage.
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Mar 31, 2020 18:58
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Splint Chesthair posted:Correct, but the Jaws series doesn’t have a moment where the shark types “FOOD” on a Speak and Spell when it wants him to spell “BOY.” Oh my god I forgot about the Speak and Spell.
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Mar 31, 2020 23:30
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I think we're due for an upset of the #1 seed and Phantasm is the series to do it. As fun as Freddy is as a villain, the sequels reach a true rock bottom of garbage after a certain point. But Phantasm. Nightmare on Elm Street may be the series about dreams, but Phantasm truly embodies dream logic. There's possibly not a more confounding, bizarre, audacious franchise this long running. It operates on another plain of logic, one that is so intriguing and creepy and fun. Even the bad movies are good! Let's win one for The Tall Man! Edit: A fun personal anecdote about Phantasm. I saw the fourth film first. My ex-girlfriend was not much of a horror movie fan, but happened to really like Phantasm cause she saw it by chance on TV one time and want to show me. I tried to get a copy from the library but either because I screwed up the request or they screwed up filling it I actually got Phantasm IV: Oblivion. We decided to watch it anyway and I was completely baffled, just had no clue who or what anything was. So I instantly tracked down the original film and watched it and...it didn't help me understand anything at all. God what a wonderful series. TrixRabbi fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Apr 3, 2020 |
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Apr 3, 2020 17:12
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Unfortunately, the new Candyman has been pushed back so no one can really say for sure how that would impact the vote.
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Apr 6, 2020 18:07
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My money is on Evil Dead to be the Freddy Killer in this division.
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Apr 7, 2020 14:59
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I feel like sometimes one legitimately great movie is enough to justify the vote. Like I actually voted Paranormal Activity cause I think it's been underrated due to its level of fame, but there's some matchups (like say Candyman) where I feel like the strength of the original is rightfully enough to carry it. If you wanna weight the averages of the entire franchise, which I think most are doing, then alright. But sometimes there's just a great entry among garbage that deserves the recognition over a series where every entry is just fine.
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Apr 8, 2020 15:35
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RotLD is a good test of the One Great Film rule. I mean, you can make your cases for the sequels but that is a franchise that has one true all timer at the top and the heads downhill. But like, going up against Final Destination which has four really good movies in it, but none that truly compete with the original RotLD. I think it's really a case by case basis.
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Apr 8, 2020 20:00
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This forum will always be torn apart by F13 rankings and no one can ever agree on which ones are good and which ones are bad. For what it's worth, I'm firmly Pro Five. Seven might be my bottom ranked because even though the Jason vs. Carrie idea is fun in concept it's maybe the flattest of the series with the least personality. Still what's remarkable for a series with as many films as F13 and as simple a concept as "killer in the woods stalks teenagers" how each of those movies is memorable in its own unique way. Like the distinctions between each film are clear and outside of maybe a specific kill here or there they rarely blur together.
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Apr 8, 2020 23:23
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If we're doing this: 1. Jason X 2. Part 6: Jason Lives 3. Part 4: Final Chapter 4. Part 2 5. Part 5: A New Beginning 6. Freddy vs. Jason 7. Part 3 8. Part 8: Jason Takes Manhattan 9. Original 10. Jason Goes to Hell 11. Remake 12. Part 7: The New Blood Look, Jason X is just a fuckin' blast. Perfectly blends the humor and the gore, has a Cronenberg cameo, and just has fuckin' fun with the concept. It's not technically the best of the series but it is my favorite.
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COOL CORN posted:drat it the virus is spreading You're right, I shouldn't have contributed. Besides, this is about a fight versus Friday the 13th as a whole and Saw. Not the Friday series against itself. Anyone voting for Saw who dares show themselves? What's your case I wanna hear it.
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Apr 9, 2020 16:27
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Saw was also incredibly innovative and creative with the contraptions. The original is quite good at probing morality and the human will to survive, even if the sequels lose the plot there. Plus, as much as it's derided, Torture Porn is a pretty significant period in horror film history and one that's is well worthy of study (and it certainly has been). It really has strong political roots in the Bush administration and the genres evolution alongside the revelations about the War on Terror represent a mainstreaming of American violence in unprecedented extremes. As horror movie nerds, we can debate the entertainment value of the Saw movies and the pillar that is the Fridays, but culturally Saw (and Hostel) are undeniably touchstones of an era. TrixRabbi fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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Apr 9, 2020 16:43
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Part 5 also does a great trick where it breaks the unspoken rules of slasher movies where there's a wanton on screen murder by someone who's not the main killer. I'm sure there's some other examples, but it's so jarring. I mean, I think 5 pisses people off cause the twist is dumb as gently caress, but it's solidly made, fun, has some good suspense and kills. Totally fine movie.
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RotLD really is the arbiter of if one Great film can carry an otherwise garbage franchise against a genuinely excellent franchise where no single film is a true standout. I'm actually going to go with Final Destination here, in part because that series was a very early influence on me and inspired my love for horror and two because it's maybe the last truly great slasher series. The slasher genre, let's admit it, is generally dead -- one-offs and throwback movies withstanding. But Final Destination seems like it may have been the last stand for the genre and really it's logical conclusion. The concept is so simple, yet brilliant. The deaths -- without a physical killer present -- at times take the shape of a vulgar Picasso by deconstructing and reconfiguring the human form in gruesome ways (think back to that gymnastics death). It's consistently funny and self-aware without being tongue-in-cheek. Also, that highway crash sequence from FD 2 is an all timer pileup sequence. We all love RotLD, I know I do. But FD is 4 for 5 and they're all stellar in their own way.
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Apr 11, 2020 19:46
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Hey, could we get a full version of the bracket with the first round of 64 posted?
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Apr 11, 2020 19:59
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I'm excited that this round seems to have two legit tossups given the competing support for both RotLD and FD and Alien and Re-Animator.
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Apr 12, 2020 17:34
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I will say this though. While RotLD is definitely a more madcap zombie movie, and does have laughs, it's not as much of a comedy as I was initially led to believe. It gets pretty grim, especially the rigor mortis poo poo.
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Sarx posted:This did make me think though, are we counting the Zombi movies as part of Night of the Living Dead since they were created to be sequels to Dawn of the Dead? I wouldn’t. I mean, first, by that logic RotLD is a sequel to NotLD and should be considered part of that series. But also so many of the Italian knockoff films weren’t even made as sequels but were standalone films that later got retired as a cash in on the Zombi success. At the same time, if we’re counting remakes in this then that actually does start posing some tough questions. Because NotLD is in the public domain there are a lot of unofficial remakes and sequels and I wonder if actually should those count? Are we only considering the Romero directed films? What about proper remakes like Dawn of the Dead ‘04? Yeah this one’s trickier than I thought.
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I mean, NotLD is so tricky where we draw the line. This video bears posting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZoqZxgw7HU
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Apr 13, 2020 16:48
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Shrecknet posted:Id be interested in how this tournament wouldve turned out if we only used the best three movies in each franchise, sort of like how you compare the starters on different teams not their depth at, like, long snapper Can't believe anyone would float this idea after watching the endless Friday the 13th spats that endlessly arise on this forum at least once a week.
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Apr 14, 2020 17:49
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For a side project we could do ranked choice voting the way the seeds were decided except for a definitive CineD ranking of the Fridays.
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Apr 14, 2020 18:06
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It's a shame that Jason Goes to Hell has such an amazing opening too and then immediately just divebombs.
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I mean, I enjoy it for what it is. It has one of the best kills of the series up front (the sign post impaling) and then there's that great scene with the bounty hunter. Then it completely shits the bed.
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Apr 16, 2020 00:23
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So I gotta know. Has a single person voted for Ghoulies and if so what's your justification?
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Apr 16, 2020 00:25
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Yeah. Like, the Romero films are next level. I think you can argue that Night of the Living Dead is not only the greatest horror film ever made, it's one of the ten greatest films ever made. It's easily as innovative and influential as Citizen Kane, Breathless, Birth of a Nation*, any of those films that came along and changed everything in one fell swoop. If any series deserves to win this entire tournament, this is the one.
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Apr 16, 2020 15:18
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Shrecknet, would you be able to post the original, complete version of the bracket with the full 64 on it?
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Apr 19, 2020 15:30
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Seriously, even just as a sidebar, let's do a ranked choice vote for the Friday series. Anonymous ballots, and we all have to live with the outcome whatever it may be.
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Apr 20, 2020 15:05
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Texas Chainsaw Massacre, the original, is easily one of the single best films in the entire bracket. And also ever made.
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It's so difficult to even fathom that take that it's hard to dispute it. And mind you, I'm not knocking films like Jaws, Frankenstein, The Exorcist, Halloween, Alien. But TCM is as great an achievement and stands the test of time just as well. A filthy, brilliant movie.
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married but discreet posted:I can't be the only one who is incredibly jealous of Jedit still being able to watch Evil Dead 2 for the very first time in 2020. I never saw the remake, how is it?
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Timeless Appeal posted:Scream is the ending for slashers as a genre. Not that it killed slashers, that would happen regardless. But it is spiritually the ending of what Halloween started. Like there have obviously been slashers after the fact, but I think it was this nice ribbon on that almost twenty year period after the original Halloween. After Scream, anything else seemed like a throwback because Scream is the inevitable endpoint of slashers. It's inarguably Wes Craven's masterpiece. Even Nightmare feels messy and uneven at times, but loving Scream man. Scream is this perfectly sanded piece of furniture. Its themes are both clear, nuanced, and ahead of their time--making the observation that slut and virgin shaming are just the same misogyny with a different name. And that loving ending... I don't know if there is a horror film that has such fun and cathartic ending as the end of Scream. I always have such a huge smile on my face. Scream is phenomenal and I largely agree that it came as the climax of the slasher genre, though as we discussed earlier in this thread I still feel Final Destination is the ultimate conclusion of the slasher -- going just one step beyond the self-aware deconstruction of the genre in Scream. Perhaps Scream is the final chapter and Final Destination is more of an epilogue, giving the genre one last swing through before it completely disappeared into the 2000s wave of torture porn, remakes, and nostalgic throwbacks.
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I'll be curious to see if Evil Dead can achieve 100% of the vote. I'm sure some sicko will vote for The Conjuring whether out of contrarianism or just to give it something but this ought to be the biggest blowout of a tournament that has seen many blowouts. edit: Scrolling through the thread, Halloween holds the record with its first round matchup against Witchcraft. 98.1% of the vote. TrixRabbi fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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Reminder that From Dusk Till Dawn has Tom Savini playing a character named Sex Machine who has a cock gun.
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