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Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019








Website: https://socialistra.org/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEJzdCNfDMUz5GZDIRGgZaw

Twitter: https://twitter.com/socialistra

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SocialistRifle/

Hey there! I have been looking into getting a gun recently and then America was infected with a deadly virus and our economy exploded. What can I say? I have good timing!

I was concerned about having some local people to go shooting with or just to commiserate with about guns. You may have noticed but "gun guys" tend to be far-right and I am not.

Well, my brother recently joined the Socialist Rifle Association and has been going to meetings and has had a lot of fun. I just bought a lifetime membership after purchasing my Ruger PC Carbine, recommended to me on these here forums.

So, if you are like me and into guns but have political beliefs that don't quite fit into those of militia men or the NRA, then look no further!

https://socialistra.org/about/ posted:

We Keep Us Safe

The Socialist Rifle Association is an educational organization dedicated to providing the working class with the information they need to be effectively armed for self and community defense. This includes all manner of community defense, from the right of the working class to possess firearms to the ability to be well versed in the fields of medicine, disaster relief, logistics, agriculture, and survival skills. Our goal is to provide an alternate to the mainstream, toxic, right-wing, and non-inclusive gun culture that has dominated the firearms community for decades. We seek to provide a safe, inclusive, and left-leaning platform for talking about gun rights and self defense, free from racist and reactionary prejudices, while providing a platform for the working class to obtain the skills necessary for all aspects of community defense.

Our members produce quality manuals and guides for teaching firearms safety, marksmanship, history, and mechanics; as well as unarmed self defense, emergency medical care, disaster relief, and hunting. Our local chapters will provide in-person training and workshops, using individual members' skills to help address the needs of their community. We also encourage members to pursue certification and outside training in EMT and disaster relief, so they can provide critical services to their community in bad times.

If you are any of the following: working class, progressive, anarchist, socialist, communist, eco-warrior, animal liberator, anti-fascist, anti-racist, anti-capitalist, PoC, LGBTQ+, or anyone else who is interested in learning about firearms and modern self defense -- YOU are invited to join the Socialist Rifle Association today!

https://socialistra.org/about/ posted:

Frequently Asked Questions

Q: Are you a militia?

A: We encourage our members to oppose fascism in all its forms, and we stand in solidarity with our comrades who engage in direct actions against fascist organization. However, we are not a militia and we do not condone our members engaging in violence on our behalf. We believe the best way for our organization to oppose fascism is through education, training, and community building.

Q: Do you own the Socialist Rifle Association?

A: The Socialist Rifle Association is a not-for-profit 501(c)(4) corporation in the State of Kansas. It is "owned" by no one and is governed by its bylaws. Every dues paying member is a voting member and can vote on changes to the bylaws and the central committee that handles the affairs of the organization.

Q: How do I join?

A: We have a membership application on our website. We will then try to put you in touch with other members in your region to form local chapters. Or if a chapter already exists in your region you can contact them to join directly. Click here to submit a membership application.

Q: What if there are no chapters near me. What can I do?

A: If there is no existing chapter in your area, you will be assigned to a new "stump" chapter. If other people from your area also join, they will be assigned to your chapter. We will provide a forum or other means of communication to help you get in contact, meet up, and help you build your chapter.

Q: Where do my $25 dues go?

A: Administrative costs such as the website, filing fees, purchasing merchandise for resell, and providing services to our members such as sponsoring members to become firearms and first aid instructors that in turn provide subsidized classes for working class individuals. As a not-for-profit, all excess "profits" are reinvested into the organization.

Q: You charge money for membership? Doesn’t that mean you are some kind of business?

A: The Socialist Rifle Association is a not-for-profit 501(c)(4), is bound to benefit the "social welfare of the greater community," and is ultimately responsible to its members.

Q: If you're a nonprofit, can I deduct dues and/or donations from my taxes?

A: Unfortunately, no, not at this time. IRS regulations prevent dues and contributions to a 501(c)(4) from being deducted on personal tax returns. It is a goal to create a 501(c)(3) subsidiary in the same vein as the ACLU, NRA, and DSA have, at which point contributions to the 501(c)(3) would be tax deductible.

Q: What about my credit card information? What if you get hacked and my info gets stolen?

A: The SRA does not see your financial information at any point in the membership process. All financial transactions are handled by Stripe, a commercial online payment processor. Your credit card information is sent to Stripe using an encrypted tokenized system, and the only information visible to us is the last 4 digits of your credit card number. If you're still concerned, you can pay using a one-time-use prepaid debit card.

Q: What about my personal information like name and location? How will you stop it from getting into the hands of fascists or other dangerous people?

A: We are handling membership on a secure computer system and storing it as is consistent with recognized security and legal requirements. When signing up, you have the option to select if you want to have your address stored after paying dues: this is to assist with best practices in the event of an IRS audit. You may decline this so that our records show that you chose not to keep your address on file. Unfortunately it is a requirement of the IRS that if you contribute a donation to the organization, we must keep your address on file for an audit. We have been advised that dues are not considered donations, but that keeping good records is always a smart idea. If you choose to donate, your donation is not revealed to the public as of July 2018 per the Treasury Department.

Q: What about the feds? I don't want the FBI to have my name on file.

A: As a US-based organization we are subject to federal law. We will actively fight any attempt to subpoena or otherwise acquire any user information or logs, but if served with a valid court order or national security letter we will have to turn over whatever info they ask for. That being said, you are permitted to use an alias when signing up. As long as you list a valid mailing address for your membership card and let us know what city you're in so we can hook you up with your local chapter, we don't care what name you go by. We will always attempt to keep as little information as is necessary for the function of the organization and legal requirements, and all information is AES-256 encrypted. There is also a warrant canary updated quarterly located here .

MOD EDIT:

First off, I want to draw everyone's attention to rule number 5 in the rules thread:

Cyrano4747 posted:


5) Politics: Gun control and mass shootings are a major issue in the world today, and doubly so American domestic politics. If you want to discuss those we have a thread for it. Don’t drag gun control into the other threads. We don’t need the AR thread getting bogged down in debates over whether or not detachable 30 round magazines are good for society when someone just wants to know what brands work well. Keep general political chat out of TFR, with the exception of threads that are directly addressing that topic (e.g. the racism in gun culture thread). If you want to discuss the upcoming elections there are many other places on the internet you can do that.

That said, I think getting people who might not otherwise be into guns involved with firearms is a really great thing, for a whole host of different reasons. The SRA has done a lot of good things, and we've got a few members who post here in TFR about what they do. Some of the really basic "how to" videos that theyve made for people who have near zero firearms experience are really great, for example.

I'm going to let this thread keep going with the one, huge caveat that it is for discussing the organization only and not any broader politics. This includes whatever your opinions are about capitalism. Put simply, TFR has had those discussions before and it ends up turning into a giant, never-ending argument. If you want to dig in on whether Mao was "really socialist" or how the crimes of the Vanderbilts and Carnegies stack up against pre-Revolutionary French aristocracy, go somewhere else. If you have opinions about the modern Democratic party, the primaries, whether centrism is a viable tactic to defeat Trump, etc. you should also move along.

If you want to talk about leftist politics with other gun owners the already linked thread in CSPAM is an option.

Please keep this thread not poo poo. Let me be frank: I'm going to error on the side of gassing it. Politics has been a third rail around TFR for a very long time. I've tried to untie that knot many times and it's been a mess every time. If this can stay a chill thread where people talk about an interesting organization that's great. If it turns into the same old arguments about politics and economics it'll get flushed.

Noam Chomsky fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Mar 24, 2020

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tangy yet delightful
Sep 13, 2005



I am not a member but I might become one as I settle into this new area and you know, the pandemic quarantine ends. Liked and subscribed.

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019






tangy yet delightful posted:

I am not a member but I might become one as I settle into this new area and you know, the pandemic quarantine ends. Liked and subscribed.

Cool! I am going to update this thread with feedback after I get my carbine and I can go to some meetings, which may be a while since we're all diseased.

They also have a members-only Slack you get access to once you join, which is very active, and you get a fancy metal membership card.

Noam Chomsky fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Mar 22, 2020

Numlock
May 19, 2007

Some triggered, fragile boy in TFR keeps buying Numlock avatars, because Numlock said Nazis are bad.

Spending money to delete anti-Nazi avatars to trigger the libs.

Get well, Lowtax.

While I don’t have much to contribute to this thread I do like the idea of a leftist NRA type organization.

Consider this a vote of support.

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004



Does the SRA do any lobbying? IIRC it's more of a group protest/community support/gun stuff org.

Problematic Soup
Feb 18, 2007

My soup has malfunctioned?



This is highly local. We have a goon who is with the NoVA chapter (I think he is an organizer) who led some successful lobbying efforts there.

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019






CainFortea posted:

Does the SRA do any lobbying? IIRC it's more of a group protest/community support/gun stuff org.

They are trying to get into that but there have been barriers because the SRA is pissing off the right-wing groups who dominate most larger firearm organizations.

I intended to post this article in the OP (and I am going to as soon as I get a minute) and it gives some info on this topic as well as rationale for why leftists should get into firearm ownership and even some perspective on how doing so may feel "wrong" at first due to the far right's takeover of gun culture.

https://harpers.org/archive/2020/04...alist-gun-club/

quote:

The NSSF initially admitted the SRA, said Alex, but about a week before the convention, an incensed forum thread had appeared on a website called AR15.com, which, like almost all gun sites, tends to be dominated by the political right. Commenters encouraged one another to contact the NSSF to complain about the fact that it had allowed a left-wing gun group to join. “That’s just loving great,” one wrote. “Is NSSF going to help them get grant money to dig all the execution pits?” There were hundreds of other comments, many of them from users with Hitler portraits or other openly fascist iconography in their profiles. “Can the Klan League of Marksmen join?” “Target acquisition.” “Has anyone asked them what they’re doing making friends with people who want to kill them?”

quote:

As if to confirm Alex’s point, the United States Concealed Carry Association approved the SRA for affiliation a few weeks later, only to revoke it after another protracted social-media dustup. The USCCA eventually released a wordy statement condemning the SRA for “discriminatory beliefs” against law enforcement and the rich, and confirming that the USCCA “stands opposed to socialism.”

Thanks for the positivity about this thread. I am fairly excited about the SRA because I grew up around firearms and enjoy them but have never participated in ownership in my adult life due to how prevalent the right and just general insanity is in "gun culture." So, I am looking forward to participating in an aspect of American life that I previously felt was shut to me.

Problematic Soup
Feb 18, 2007

My soup has malfunctioned?



Also, there is a non TFR thread that is general leftist gun chat:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...hreadid=3846199

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019






Problematic Soup posted:

Also, there is a non TFR thread that is general leftist gun chat:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...hreadid=3846199

Ah, cool. I forgot about that. Thanks!

Soupisgood
Dec 5, 2012


Welcome to guns!

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006



First off, I want to draw everyone's attention to rule number 5 in the rules thread:

Cyrano4747 posted:


5) Politics: Gun control and mass shootings are a major issue in the world today, and doubly so American domestic politics. If you want to discuss those we have a thread for it. Don’t drag gun control into the other threads. We don’t need the AR thread getting bogged down in debates over whether or not detachable 30 round magazines are good for society when someone just wants to know what brands work well. Keep general political chat out of TFR, with the exception of threads that are directly addressing that topic (e.g. the racism in gun culture thread). If you want to discuss the upcoming elections there are many other places on the internet you can do that.

That said, I think getting people who might not otherwise be into guns involved with firearms is a really great thing, for a whole host of different reasons. The SRA has done a lot of good things, and we've got a few members who post here in TFR about what they do. Some of the really basic "how to" videos that theyve made for people who have near zero firearms experience are really great, for example.

I'm going to let this thread keep going with the one, huge caveat that it is for discussing the organization only and not any broader politics. This includes whatever your opinions are about capitalism. Put simply, TFR has had those discussions before and it ends up turning into a giant, never-ending argument. If you want to dig in on whether Mao was "really socialist" or how the crimes of the Vanderbilts and Carnegies stack up against pre-Revolutionary French aristocracy, go somewhere else. If you have opinions about the modern Democratic party, the primaries, whether centrism is a viable tactic to defeat Trump, etc. you should also move along.

If you want to talk about leftist politics with other gun owners the already linked thread in CSPAM is an option.

Please keep this thread not poo poo. Let me be frank: I'm going to error on the side of gassing it. Politics has been a third rail around TFR for a very long time. I've tried to untie that knot many times and it's been a mess every time. If this can stay a chill thread where people talk about an interesting organization that's great. If it turns into the same old arguments about politics and economics it'll get flushed.

edit: edited this into the OP

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019






Cyrano4747 posted:

First off, I want to draw everyone's attention to rule number 5 in the rules thread:


That said, I think getting people who might not otherwise be into guns involved with firearms is a really great thing, for a whole host of different reasons. The SRA has done a lot of good things, and we've got a few members who post here in TFR about what they do. Some of the really basic "how to" videos that theyve made for people who have near zero firearms experience are really great, for example.

I'm going to let this thread keep going with the one, huge caveat that it is for discussing the organization only and not any broader politics. This includes whatever your opinions are about capitalism. Put simply, TFR has had those discussions before and it ends up turning into a giant, never-ending argument. If you want to dig in on whether Mao was "really socialist" or how the crimes of the Vanderbilts and Carnegies stack up against pre-Revolutionary French aristocracy, go somewhere else. If you have opinions about the modern Democratic party, the primaries, whether centrism is a viable tactic to defeat Trump, etc. you should also move along.

If you want to talk about leftist politics with other gun owners the already linked thread in CSPAM is an option.

Please keep this thread not poo poo. Let me be frank: I'm going to error on the side of gassing it. Politics has been a third rail around TFR for a very long time. I've tried to untie that knot many times and it's been a mess every time. If this can stay a chill thread where people talk about an interesting organization that's great. If it turns into the same old arguments about politics and economics it'll get flushed.

I agree with this message. I don't have any intention or desire to start political discussion in TFR. I just want to inform people about an organization that people may enjoy knowing about if they don't feel they fit into any existing organizations.

I'm also hoping this thread demonstrates that leftists aren't all liberal dumb-asses who want to disarm people but quite the opposite.

Also, I looked in the rules before posting and missed this rule because I'm an illiterate moron.

Thanks for letting the thread stay up!

Proper Kerni ng
Nov 14, 2011



Noam Chomsky posted:

quote:

As if to confirm Alex’s point, the United States Concealed Carry Association approved the SRA for affiliation a few weeks later, only to revoke it after another protracted social-media dustup. The USCCA eventually released a wordy statement condemning the SRA for “discriminatory beliefs” against law enforcement and the rich, and confirming that the USCCA “stands opposed to socialism.”
Wellp, thanks for the heads up-- that's USCCA added to the Big List Of Never Gets My Money.

SRA is doing drat important work getting people involved in shooting sports and defensive gun ownership who have not only traditionally been excluded by right wing ~~gun people~~, but have also excluded themselves out of a mistaken belief that such left/right distinctions matter in the first place when it comes to protecting themselves and their community.

Target Practice
Aug 20, 2004

Shit.

Just joined. I have been trying to find leftist shooting buddies in my right-wing CA town so hopefully this is a good way to do it.

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019






Proper Kerni ng posted:


Wellp, thanks for the heads up-- that's USCCA added to the Big List Of Never Gets My Money.

SRA is doing drat important work getting people involved in shooting sports and defensive gun ownership who have not only traditionally been excluded by right wing ~~gun people~~, but have also excluded themselves out of a mistaken belief that such left/right distinctions matter in the first place when it comes to protecting themselves and their community.

No prob!

Honestly I was surprised the the SRA got rejected by these groups. I'm coming to this fairly new and wasn't even aware of these orgs.

I do expect this to soften some as time goes on and groups stop being afraid of or misunderstanding eachother and the SRA grows. That's one of the goals of the SRA, anyway. My political leanings are fairly obvious but second-amendment rights are some good common ground that I think a lot of otherwise politically different people can share.

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019






Target Practice posted:

Just joined. I have been trying to find leftist shooting buddies in my right-wing CA town so hopefully this is a good way to do it.

Cool! Please post a trip report once you can meet up with some folks. I plan to do the same once Ohio is not in lockdown anymore.

Jehde
Apr 20, 2010

Who protects?


Grimey Drawer

I wish there was a Canadian presence. I mean there kind of is, but it's ethereal at best. The Canadian political landscape makes for way less demand for explicitly socialist representation in firearms communities. As of a couple weeks ago there are technically literally dozens of us though, so maybe we can organize into something formidable eventually.

Mambo No. 5
Feb 24, 2009

Admiral Parry "Terror" Sornis,
Dead Birds Society


Welcome to TFR! I have their website bookmarked but I've yet to look deeprr into the organization and how much representation it has in my area. Thanks for posting!

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019






Mambo No. 5 posted:

Welcome to TFR! I have their website bookmarked but I've yet to look deeprr into the organization and how much representation it has in my area. Thanks for posting!

No problem!

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019






Mambo No. 5 posted:

Welcome to TFR! I have their website bookmarked but I've yet to look deeprr into the organization and how much representation it has in my area. Thanks for posting!

Thanks and No prob! Maybe they will expand. I'll let you know if I find anything out once I get access to the Slack group and/or go to meetings.

Noam Chomsky fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Mar 23, 2020

TheNothingNew
Nov 10, 2008


I'd assumed that the SRA didn't have anything local to me because their social media presence here is basically non-existent, but they might just be keeping their heads down.
Been waffling on this for a bit. I'll join once we can all leave our houses again.

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019






TheNothingNew posted:

I'd assumed that the SRA didn't have anything local to me because their social media presence here is basically non-existent, but they might just be keeping their heads down.
Been waffling on this for a bit. I'll join once we can all leave our houses again.

They're on Twitter and Reddit and Facebook but they don't seem to post often. The Reddit is somewhat active but... Reddit.

They have a REALLY active Slack you get access to once you join and if there is no one near you then, congrats, they will put you in charge of your own stub organization so you can be the point of contact for new people near you.

EDIT: I added the social media info to the OP.

Noam Chomsky fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Mar 23, 2020

Target Practice
Aug 20, 2004

Shit.

Yeah working from home I would love to have Slack access but I haven't gotten the Slack info yet.

Capn Beeb
Jun 29, 2003

We all got it coming, kid


The SRA reddit is an extremely mixed bag and seems to be actively getting worse.

DeesGrandpa
Oct 21, 2009



Capn Beeb posted:

The SRA reddit is an extremely mixed bag and seems to be actively getting worse.

Yep its sure something.

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019






DeesGrandpa posted:

Yep its sure something.

Nothing jumps out at me but I generally advise people to avoid anything Reddit.

Noam Chomsky fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Mar 23, 2020

Alan Smithee
Jan 3, 2005


Capn Beeb posted:

The SRA reddit is an extremely mixed bag and seems to be actively getting worse.

In what way

Vorkosigan
Mar 28, 2012



Grimey Drawer

Hi! I'm the SRA goon who lead the lobbying efforts for the SRA/LGC in Virginia this year as well as one of the one who makes the newbie videos (3rd one hopefully coming out once my wedding comes off successfully tomorrow).

If anyone has questions or need to get in touch with their local chapters, either DM me or post and I'll do my best to get you hooked up. I've helped to push comrades into starting the Baltimore/Central MD chapter, the Richmond/Piedmont chapter, and I'm trying to help get some SW VA and/or WV chapters going right now as well.

National Slack is pretty much only used (or should only be used) to get you to your local chapter - this process is undergoing some revisions to actually make it function like it should have - the entire national bylaws are being re-written right now since they were made in mind with a 150 person org, not a 3000+ person one and don't scale well.

Also the SRA subreddit is full of libs and chuds, and should be avoided since while the head moderator is a member, it's not officially affiliated with the SRA.

Vorkosigan fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Mar 24, 2020

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019






Vorkosigan posted:

Hi! I'm the SRA goon who lead the lobbying efforts for the SRA/LGC in Virginia this year as well as one of the one who makes the newbie videos (3rd one hopefully coming out once my wedding comes off successfully tomorrow).

If anyone has questions or need to get in touch with their local chapters, either DM me or post and I'll do my best to get you hooked up. I've helped to push comrades into starting the Baltimore/Central MD chapter, the Richmond/Piedmont chapter, and I'm trying to help get some SW VA and/or WV chapters going right now as well.

National Slack is pretty much only used (or should only be used) to get you to your local chapter - this process is undergoing some revisions to actually make it function like it should have - the entire national bylaws are being re-written right now since they were made in mind with a 150 person org, not a 3000+ person one and don't scale well.

Also the SRA subreddit is full of libs and chuds, and should be avoided since while the head moderator is a member, it's not officially affiliated with the SRA.

Hey, thanks for chiming in! I am going to quote some of this info into the OP if it's cool with you.

I removed the Reddit link from the OP because Reddit and because of what you mentioned.

The only interesting thing I saw there was the SRA adopted Route 71 here in Ohio and cleans up litter and has a sign up which is cool.

Also, congrats on getting married! Good luck with the wedding.

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004



I guess I just forgot that Lobbying doesn't have to involve cash payoffs.

Miso Beno
Apr 29, 2004


Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty


Fun Shoe

CainFortea posted:

I guess I just forgot that Lobbying doesn't have to involve cash payoffs.

As evidenced in WA, Bloomberg only got modest victories in spite of massively outspending the progun community thanks in large part to the massive grassroots response to preserve out gun rights.

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019






Miso Beno posted:

As evidenced in WA, Bloomberg only got modest victories in spite of massively outspending the progun community thanks in large part to the massive grassroots response to preserve out gun rights.

We should avoid politics as the mod post in the OP says, but, yeah "gun control" polls well but that never seems to shine through in the ballot box. It's almost like it's not a popular issue outside of post-mass-shooting freakouts.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006



Noam Chomsky posted:

We should avoid politics as the mod post in the OP says, but, yeah "gun control" polls well but that never seems to shine through in the ballot box. It's almost like it's not a popular issue outside of post-mass-shooting freakouts.

We do have a thread specifically for taking about gun control from a philosophical / policy / political angle. We try to keep it away from the partisan specifics of any non- gun politics but it’s a good spot to talk about how much support gun control has among voters or whether or not dumping money on the issue aways them - https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...hreadid=3867020

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019






Cyrano4747 posted:

We do have a thread specifically for taking about gun control from a philosophical / policy / political angle. We try to keep it away from the partisan specifics of any non- gun politics but it’s a good spot to talk about how much support gun control has among voters or whether or not dumping money on the issue aways them - https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...hreadid=3867020

Good to know. Thanks!

Poniard
Apr 3, 2011




I think I'm in the sra

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019






Poniard posted:

I think I'm in the sra

You are as long as you believe in yourself. Did you get a card? I am hype about the cool metal membership card - at least it looks like metal - because I'm an idiot who loves baubles and trinkets.

I picked up a CZ Scorpion Evo 3 yesterday and drat is it nice. No one has any drat ammo right now but they did give me a box of self-defense rounds (hollow points) with it. My friend is reloading some of his 9mm for us to go plink with. Hype!

My LCP2 arrived at the store but they're not doing transfers right now because things are insane and they're doing record breaking business.

I haven't been to a gun shop since I was a kid but everyone was super nice at this local shop my friend's dad works at. They are also big fans of the Evo and were happy I picked it.

The only problem was a dumb customer getting into it with one of the employees about if it's legal to open-carry an unholstered sidearm in your waistband - which this person does. It is not legal in Ohio at least, and is also stupid. This customer was basically told to shut it, which made me laugh. Otherwise a great experience that made me happy since I was kind of anxious about going in to a gun store for some reason.

Capn Beeb
Jun 29, 2003

We all got it coming, kid


Noam Chomsky posted:

I picked up a CZ Scorpion Evo 3 yesterday and drat is it nice. No one has any drat ammo right now but they did give me a box of self-defense rounds (hollow points) with it. My friend is reloading some of his 9mm for us to go plink with. Hype!

Upgrade the trigger ASAP

https://www.shooterselement.com/col...sh-trigger-work

https://www.shooterselement.com/pro...t-trigger-black

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019







Oh, thanks!

I trust you but can you explain why, just so I know?

Also any other recommended accessories? It already came with a collapsible stock that's really cool.

EDIT: Ah, the pull weight. That makes sense.

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019







I went ahead and ordered that trigger. The stock trigger is something that worried me a little yesterday but I have not yet fired the gun but I knew I didn't really like the feel of it. A flat trigger is much more appealing. Thank you!

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Capn Beeb
Jun 29, 2003

We all got it coming, kid


Factory pull weight on a Scorp trigger is 14lbs, maybe more. You mentioned yours having a stock so if you can shoulder the thing it's still bad, but not awful like it was with my pistol. It'll still dramatically improve the gun, though. Do you have the carbine version?

Other items I recommend:

https://hbindustries.net/store/shop...fety-selectors/

The safety switch likes to dig into palms when shooting and is generally annoying, swapping it out for this guy is super easy.

https://manticorearms.com/charging-...charging-handle

Bigger charging handle for your preferred side. I swapped out the left side handle for this one and kept the right side stock, much easier to grab. Also much easier to do the Cool Dude HK Slap and that's important

Edit:

Noam Chomsky posted:

I went ahead and ordered that trigger. The stock trigger is something that worried me a little yesterday but I have not yet fired the gun but I knew I didn't really like the feel of it. A flat trigger is much more appealing. Thank you!

I'd send your trigger pack off for their trigger job when you can, not sure how the virus is hindering their business. Don't have a pull gauge but I'd say mine is hovering around 3lbs or so.

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