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Capn Beeb
Jun 29, 2003

We all got it coming, kid


Noam Chomsky posted:

That makes sense. There was a video I was watching where a guy had something similar with a brace like mine and said the ATF said you can't shoulder fire but you can rest your cheek on it.

It's great not having consistent standards!

Welcome to the NFA, if not every single gun control measure ever passed!

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CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004



Noam Chomsky posted:

It's great not having consistent standards!

You're just dealing with one standard that is just a regulation that can be changed with no warning or notification on the federal level. Remember all 50 states have their own melange of gun control laws. You should check out your state stuff too.

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019






CainFortea posted:

You're just dealing with one standard that is just a regulation that can be changed with no warning or notification on the federal level. Remember all 50 states have their own melange of gun control laws. You should check out your state stuff too.

Capn Beeb posted:

Welcome to the NFA, if not every single gun control measure ever passed!

Agree with both of these points. I just haven't had the hands-on issues until now; it all seems even dumber now. I don't want to get into a gun control derail but I've always looked at the issue as a dumb wedge issue that accomplishes nothing productive but lets politicians get media attention and look like they're working. So, I don't need much convincing in this area.

Also, good suggestion. I have been looking into my state's laws. I'm also planning to take some classes and get my CCW. This is one area I don't feel like slipping up in, since I have seen there's lots of caveats and conditionals and other bullshit.

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"



Fun Shoe

This made me think of a question - What classification are the old Mauser broom handle pistols with a shoulder stock?

I hate these drat rules because I think pistols with shoulder stocks are loving awesome. I'd love a Glock-a-bine.

Beardless
Aug 12, 2011

I am Centurion Titus Polonius. And the only trouble I've had is that nobody seem to realize that I'm their superior officer.


Captain Log posted:

This made me think of a question - What classification are the old Mauser broom handle pistols with a shoulder stock?

I hate these drat rules because I think pistols with shoulder stocks are loving awesome. I'd love a Glock-a-bine.

If it's an original stock, then it's specifically exempt from being an SBR. I'm not sure about an OG mauser with a repro stock. There are some similar cases, such as some of the early Hi-Powers that had stocks. They do make stocks for Glocks, but they do require an NFA stamp.

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"



Fun Shoe

Beardless posted:

If it's an original stock, then it's specifically exempt from being an SBR. I'm not sure about an OG mauser with a repro stock. There are some similar cases, such as some of the early Hi-Powers that had stocks. They do make stocks for Glocks, but they do require an NFA stamp.

A few years ago I almost ordered one from EBay for $22. Luckily I posted about it on the forums before I became an accidental felon.

Dip Viscous
Sep 17, 2019



Arm braces for Glocks exist too.

(Not endorsing product, just the first one that came up on Google) https://suarezinternational.com/per...kit-for-glocks/

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019






I'm glad I'm not the only one who has a thing for pistols with braces.

I also really like that there are all these "pistols" you can guy - like the Scorpion - since I have a thing for those.

I think Transformers just poisoned my mind.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006



Beardless posted:

If it's an original stock, then it's specifically exempt from being an SBR. I'm not sure about an OG mauser with a repro stock. There are some similar cases, such as some of the early Hi-Powers that had stocks. They do make stocks for Glocks, but they do require an NFA stamp.

Repro stocks require a tax stamp, although I think there's a narrow exception for that if it's a replacement for an original that you still own but which is damaged or something. I forget the details, I just know that if I buy a stock to slap on my Luger it's not as simple as just hitting up Ebay.

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES


Dip Viscous posted:

Arm braces for Glocks exist too.

(Not endorsing product, just the first one that came up on Google) https://suarezinternational.com/per...kit-for-glocks/

Linking Suarez in the SRA thread is pretty

Dude's exactly the sort of person who should never have been given a badge

Problematic Soup
Feb 18, 2007

My soup has malfunctioned?



Internet Wizard posted:

Linking Suarez in the SRA thread is pretty

Dude's exactly the sort of person who should never have been given a badge

Agreed.

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019






I have no idea who that person is. I guess I need to do some reading.

I picked up my LCP2 yesterday and today I have a cough. Getting the 'rona after picking up a gun would be the ultimate irony. R.I.P. me.

Will post some pics later. I also got a neat safe.

sudo rm -rf
Aug 2, 2011


$ mv fullcommunism.sh
/america
$ cd /america
$ ./fullcommunism.sh




what the gently caress is secretary at socialistra dot org's problem? dude literally couldn't be less helpful.

i can't join the slack. i joined sra back in december but never noticed the access token email (it took like three weeks to get to me). i tried using it last week, but i never got any further email confirmation and my login continues to not work at all. why is this dude giving me the end-around?

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019






sudo rm -rf posted:

what the gently caress is secretary at socialistra dot org's problem? dude literally couldn't be less helpful.

i can't join the slack. i joined sra back in december but never noticed the access token email (it took like three weeks to get to me). i tried using it last week, but i never got any further email confirmation and my login continues to not work at all. why is this dude giving me the end-around?



That's a good question. I know they're worried about doxxing and such, so maybe they think you're full of it. Things also seem kind of crazy right now due to how many new members we've gotten and having our entire org and bylaws rewritten to accommodate.

I can ask around and see what they can do but I would need your username or something.

sudo rm -rf
Aug 2, 2011


$ mv fullcommunism.sh
/america
$ cd /america
$ ./fullcommunism.sh




Noam Chomsky posted:

That's a good question. I know they're worried about doxxing and such, so maybe they think you're full of it. Things also seem kind of crazy right now due to how many new members we've gotten and having our entire org and bylaws rewritten to accommodate.

I can ask around and see what they can do but I would need your username or something.

still haven't gotten anywhere with the secretary and i'm still waiting for slack authorization :\

i'm pretty sure the slackid i tried to create was just sudormrf. i can pm you the email i used.

sudo rm -rf
Aug 2, 2011


$ mv fullcommunism.sh
/america
$ cd /america
$ ./fullcommunism.sh




i'm in! thanks for the help - pumped to be in a left-wing space that isn't completely hostile to guns.

Vorkosigan
Mar 28, 2012



Grimey Drawer

sudo rm -rf posted:

i'm in! thanks for the help - pumped to be in a left-wing space that isn't completely hostile to guns.

Awesome! Sorry I fell down on the job, time is sorta slipping together right now.

Eat This Glob
Jan 14, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

a guy in my local chapter has a scar heavy and let's people shoot it with his ammo. socialist gun buds are generous gun buds

Anchor Wanker
May 14, 2015


Hello from FL!

Always good to see more SRA folks. I'm with COAL and we've worked with SRA folks before. Great people.

Huragok
Sep 14, 2011


Anchor Wanker posted:

Hello from FL!

Always good to see more SRA folks. I'm with COAL and we've worked with SRA folks before. Great people.

Whatís COAL?

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012



Huragok posted:

What’s COAL?

Lol, check this guy who doesn't know about Columbia Ohio Area Local.

Seriously though, wazzat mean?

Problematic Soup
Feb 18, 2007

My soup has malfunctioned?



Coalition of Armed Labor. Itís a John Brown Gunclub/Redneck Revolt offshoot after most of the JBGC/RR folks split over one of the founders of the group being an abuser.

Vorkosigan
Mar 28, 2012



Grimey Drawer

https://twitter.com/SocialistRA/sta...259677267988480

New bylaws are being written for the org, since the ones that worked for a 500 person org emphatically do not for a 4000 person org.

National slack should be nuked from orbit, if y'all do join ignore it as much as possible and get hooked up/vetted with your local chapter.

EDIT: Also we have forums, which I'm really pushing on getting used more instead of the slack.

Vorkosigan fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Apr 20, 2020

Rodenthar Drothman
May 14, 2013

I think I will continue
watching this twilight world
as long as time flows.

I had a lot of trouble with the Slack and figuring out where / what the local (Los Angeles/Ventura) chapter was. Any so cal SRAs here to help a newbie out?

Smegma Princess X
Jul 27, 2012


Vorkosigan posted:

https://twitter.com/SocialistRA/sta...259677267988480

New bylaws are being written for the org, since the ones that worked for a 500 person org emphatically do not for a 4000 person org.

National slack should be nuked from orbit, if y'all do join ignore it as much as possible and get hooked up/vetted with your local chapter.

EDIT: Also we have forums, which I'm really pushing on getting used more instead of the slack.

How do we go about joining these forums?

Vorkosigan
Mar 28, 2012



Grimey Drawer

Smegma Princess X posted:

How do we go about joining these forums?

You should get an invite when you join the SRA (or within a week, I forget). If you've joined and it went to spam, you'll need to request a new link since they expire after 30 days.

Huragok
Sep 14, 2011


Vorkosigan posted:

National slack should be nuked from orbit, if y'all do join ignore it as much as possible and get hooked up/vetted with your local chapter.

What's wrong with the national slack except for the latest tankie meltdown via subthread?

Wangsbig
May 27, 2007



Huragok posted:

What's wrong with the national slack except for the latest tankie meltdown via subthread?

where can i find this

wolfs
Jul 17, 2001

posted by squid gang



National slack is just kind of argumentative and full of people new to slack doing @everyone in one of the main channels and pinging 4000 people. That and the loose opsec nature of a chatroom vs a forum, I guess?

Austin chapter SRA here- I think weíre pretty big! Lots of new names popping up lately, almost like people are concerned about the future...

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade




Is there a Houston chapter of SRA?

Vorkosigan
Mar 28, 2012



Grimey Drawer

Huragok posted:

What's wrong with the national slack except for the latest tankie meltdown via subthread?

Dunno which thread you're talking about, but as wolfs said a 4000 member slack, only a portion of whom actually know etiquette and usage, makes for a very argumentative space that turns off people who join and eats the time and energy of the any leadership. I have not seen a single organizer say 'yes, keep the Slack around' in a recent poll.

Shooting Blanks posted:

Is there a Houston chapter of SRA?

There might be a rump chapter, but official ones look like Austin, DFW, and San Antonio so far.

wolfs
Jul 17, 2001

posted by squid gang



Shooting Blanks posted:

Is there a Houston chapter of SRA?

I asked. Itís in the works. Thereís a handful of people that are members in Houston, but no formal chapter yet.

Numlock
May 19, 2007

Some triggered, fragile boy in TFR keeps buying Numlock avatars, because Numlock said Nazis are bad.

Spending money to delete anti-Nazi avatars to trigger the libs.

Get well, Lowtax.

One thing thatís kept me from joining SRA type orgs is the fear that Iíll end up on some list and cops will go out of their way to hassel and spy on me. Also I wouldnít want my employer finding out.

Has any of this been a problem for the SRAs membership?

DeesGrandpa
Oct 21, 2009



I'd be amazed if in tyool 2020 being part of a small 4k member quiet political group is going to get you on anybody's radar

Smegma Princess X
Jul 27, 2012


DeesGrandpa posted:

I'd be amazed if in tyool 2020 being part of a small 4k member quiet political group is going to get you on anybody's radar

But at the same time in TYOOL 2020 police orgs are lousy with Neo-Nazis and other White Supremacists.

Tim Pawlenty
Jun 3, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 11 hours!


Numlock posted:

One thing thatís kept me from joining SRA type orgs is the fear that Iíll end up on some list and cops will go out of their way to hassel and spy on me. Also I wouldnít want my employer finding out.

Has any of this been a problem for the SRAs membership?

You can be relatively secret squirrel with your sign up as well. Privacy seems to be taken relatively seriously. I wouldn't worry about that compared to my local police chief knowing I have multiple NFA items etc re paranoia and hassle.

DeesGrandpa
Oct 21, 2009



Smegma Princess X posted:

But at the same time in TYOOL 2020 police orgs are lousy with Neo-Nazis and other White Supremacists.

As they always have been to some extent. Sure cops can go out of their way to gently caress with you, but there's not some beep boop warning they're going to get in their cruiser that so and so driver is a member of a political organization. The organization is also tiny, relatively unknown, and hasn't really done anything or been associated with anything that would raise the eyebrows of cops/feds/the man in general. It's not going to be an issue.

If you want to promote socialist policies and the arming of those like you, and you truly believe in it, the tiny chance that anyone recognizes the organization, then goes through all the effort to get members lists, then decides to really gently caress with you for that, and that person is a cop in your area or your boss, is not really something that should be stopping you. Part of the deal with socialism in the US is that it involves taking on entrenched systems for the betterment of our fellow countrymen, and there are risks associated with that. This risk is pretty tiny.

e: to be clear I'm not a SRA member and don't have immediate plans to be, but I took from the original post that the person concerned placed value on potentially belonging to it and based the discussion kinda around that. If you don't care that much about being a member than yeah no risk is less than tiny risk.

DeesGrandpa fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Apr 21, 2020

Smegma Princess X
Jul 27, 2012


DeesGrandpa posted:

As they always have been to some extent. Sure cops can go out of their way to gently caress with you, but there's not some beep boop warning they're going to get in their cruiser that so and so driver is a member of a political organization. The organization is also tiny, relatively unknown, and hasn't really done anything or been associated with anything that would raise the eyebrows of cops/feds/the man in general. It's not going to be an issue.

If you want to promote socialist policies and the arming of those like you, and you truly believe in it, the tiny chance that anyone recognizes the organization, then goes through all the effort to get members lists, then decides to really gently caress with you for that, and that person is a cop in your area or your boss, is not really something that should be stopping you. Part of the deal with socialism in the US is that it involves taking on entrenched systems for the betterment of our fellow countrymen, and there are risks associated with that. This risk is pretty tiny.

e: to be clear I'm not a SRA member and don't have immediate plans to be, but I took from the original post that the person concerned placed value on potentially belonging to it and based the discussion kinda around that. If you don't care that much about being a member than yeah no risk is less than tiny risk.

I mean, I'm a lifetime member as of this week, so my opinion is somewhat invalid. (I did it while half asleep)

Noam Chomsky
Apr 4, 2019






Nice to see the thread still going strong. I have been checked out for a bit.

Not sure if this has been posted anywhere in TFR:

https://www.firearmspolicy.org/oppose-vawra-covid-19

quote:

Summary: Republicans are colluding with Congressional Democrats to sneak gun control into the next COVID-19 stimulus package. These traitors are launching a bi-partisan attack on your rights that would:

- Reauthorize the deceptively-named "Violence Against Women Act" (VAWA), a massively-problematic gun control initiative
- Manufacture a whole new class of victims by depriving Americans of a hearing before losing their Second Amendment rights and property
- Provide for the unconstitutional federalization of state resources, dramatically expanding the federal governmentís reach into matters traditionally controlled by the states.
- And much more

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Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
Check out my hot takes because I'm a straight white male

Going by that first sentence, it's pretty obvious where that org lies on the political spectrum. Then again, a pro-gun organization that doesn't skew hard R (heh) is a rare bird. Their apparent affiliation makes it all the stranger that they're happily using the term ~*~problematic~*~ but hey it aint the first time some right-wing shitbag factions have appropriated stuff.

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