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High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012
It's still wild that Casino Royale managed to get a faithful version of that torture scene into theatres under a PG-13 rating.

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High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012
chitoryu12, did you even saying what your favourite and least favourite Fleming bond books were in the old thread?

High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012

chitoryu12 posted:

I think my favorite would probably be Casino Royale. The action is more contained but it’s a very detailed, grounded book that plays on both Bond and the audience’s expectations about damsels in distress to hide the twist.

Least favorite is obviously Golden Gun. It’s completely unfinished.

If you had to rank the books from best to worst how would you do that?

High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012
The problem with the whole such and such pulp hero is real and this is their true biography genre is that the writers can't resist pulping up the parts of their life not covered in the original texts whereas the conceit works better when they keep the new between adventures material grounded

High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012

chitoryu12 posted:

A few bits from this book actually ended up in the films. Silva would become the name of the extremely strange ex-MI6 villain played by Javier Bardem in Skyfall.

I can't believe the movies lifted stuff like this but haven't adapted the Giant Motherfucking Squid fight from Dr No yet

High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012

chitoryu12 posted:

If you want a preview of what the next book is like, go look up what series made Christopher Wood famous.

Oh god. And what is going on with the male cover model

High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012
I'm wondering what the Bond movies be like if they'd adapted the books in a different order. Because with the changes made to translate Dr No, From Russia With Love and Goldfinger to screen they establish the templates for the Bond Movie Villain, the Bond Movie Gadgets and the Bond Movie Girls respectively. What would the franchise look and feel like if they'd gone, say, Casino Royale, Live and Let Die, then Moonraker?

High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012
Edit: Nevermind. Serves me right for skim reading

High Warlord Zog fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Sep 5, 2020

High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012

Psion posted:

- enemies have a curious reluctance to just shoot him

In fairness the opposite is also true

High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012

Midjack posted:

Rainbow Six opened similarly; I wonder if it was deliberate homage by Clancy?

Like Oliver Stone says: Inside every fat Tom Clancy novel is a thin James Bond waiting to get out.

High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012

chitoryu12 posted:

Chapter 18: Shock Tactics
Unfortunately for Bond, there are still about 40 pages left in this book.

And with less than 40 pages to go... brainwashing! This book is absurdly overstuffed

High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012
Old, old news, but amusing. Here is the story of the next big spy novel that turned out the be stitched together from bits of John Gardner's Bond continuations, Robert Ludlum books and others: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/02/13/the-plagiarists-tale

High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012

chitoryu12 posted:

What I'm more torn about is the seeming necessity of spy novels to have a torture scene like this. Even when written in an exciting and unique way, it already feels old hat by the 80s. It's such a trope that Gardner's Bond manages to repeatedly fall into horrible torture sequences until a lucky break gets him out.

It's preferable to the post 9/11 Vince Flynn era of spy fiction where this kind of OTT torture sequence is carried out by the heroes, and carried out unfeelingly, to show how badass they are. The inversion within the genre from “look how much pain and suffering the superspy can endure” to “look how much pain and suffering the superspy can inflict” is creepy as hell.

High Warlord Zog fucked around with this message at 11:01 on Feb 26, 2021

High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012

chitoryu12 posted:

Chapter 21: This Can't Be Heaven
Bleh. After this weekend, we'll back with a new book that poses the question: what happens if Bond joins the bad guys?

This already happened in The Man With the Golden Gun and was horrible

High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012

chitoryu12 posted:

For instance, despite how Bond himself speaks about homosexuality, Fleming enjoyed frequenting Berlin drag clubs and makes jokes about LGBT culture (like the “Homintern” of the arts) that he would have needed to get from a friend like Noel Coward, who he visits for dinner with Charlie Chaplin in Geneva.

I'm thinking of that New York sketch he did for Octopussy and the Living Daylights...

007 in New York posted:

He had heard, though he had never succeeded in tracing them, that one could see blue films with sound and colour and that one’s sex life was never the same thereafter. That would be an experience to share with Solange! And that bar, again still undiscovered, which Felix Leiter had told him was the rendezvous for sadists and masochists of both sexes. The uniform was black leather jackets and leather gloves. If you were a sadist, you wore the gloves under the left shoulder strap. For the masochists it was the right. As with the transvestite places in Paris and Berlin, it would be fun to go and have a look.

High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012

chitoryu12 posted:

Funny thing, I just downloaded Jaws.

I think this is the new game now, because I don't think anybody has done a serious look at The Killing Zone until now. Did he really piece this book together from a bunch of thrillers and Bond books he had lying around his house?

Funnily enough a more recent case of someone doing this used John Gardner’s Bond books as source novels.

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High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012
Now I want them to do naked chairbound bond

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