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wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Prism Mirror Lens posted:

WFH absolutely owns. I’m dreading having to go back to work in person. No commute. Can turn off my camera and zone out during meetings I don’t care about. I have time to watch a movie or cook a proper dinner after work. Work outside all day if the weather’s good. Eat or take a dump whenever I want without guilt. As soon as this is over I’m quitting my job and looking for a fully remote one

It is nice to see people and have more informal chats / go for a drink / make sure everyone is actually paying attention on certain meetings.

But yeah, most of the time is pointless for me being in the office, as people are just looking at screens with headphones on.

I’m lucky enough to only need to go in 2 days a week all the time, so this lockdown is not much of a problem for me. I just wish I had more garden supplies on hand.

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wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Quantum of Phallus posted:

I'm saving 3 hours a day on the commute and there's not a loving chance I'm going back to that after this is over

I cannot imagine commuting 3 hours a day for any job, I’d have moved closer if I were you.

It is possible to have a balance, and a nice 15 - 20 minute commute a few times a week is fine (and leaves me in the middle of town for socialising afterwards).

Flexibility is key, and worth more imo.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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redreader posted:

If you live in London it seems to take 5-10 minutes to walk to the tube, 30 minutes on the tube and 5-10 minutes to walk to work, no matter where you live respective to work! Unless you live in zone 1.

And 20 minutes to change lines.
And an hour on the tube if you’re out in zone 4.

There are a bunch of towns and cities outside London that actually get you to work faster if you’re anywhere near of of the big stations.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Prism Mirror Lens posted:

Yeah you’re not going to get a nice 15 minute commute in London unless you’re lucky or rich. Actually, people who live outside London get to central London faster than I do from zone 4, and have way nicer houses out there for cheaper. Bastards!

Imagine it were possible to work somewhere other than London :pirate:

Property could be not just *cheaper in a place that is technically commutable*, but actually affordable in places that are in the city itself. And walkable.

Shut up Meg posted:

A lot of people commute into London from the sticks and spend 1.5hrs each way on a good day, assuming the train is not delayed, cancelled or just fancies going slow that day.

“The sticks” to me is like Hertfordshire & Surrey & Essex (~30 mins on the train) surely no one commutes from 1.5 hours away?

loving Cambridge is under an hour on the train, and it’d be a ridiculous place to live if you work in London.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Torquemada posted:

Then you’ve never seen Liverpool Street Station at rush hour, half of those people commute in from Norwich or Cambridge and there’s tens of thousands of them.

Why? Cambridge is a nice place, but if you don’t work there it’s insane to live somewhere that’s as expensive as London.

Norwich is more understandable as it’s at least not really loving expensive.

Isn’t the attraction of Cambridge once you’ve left Uni the good tech jobs nearby?

Torquemada posted:

People absolutely commute from hundreds of miles away, because of housing. My parents house in Leicester is valued at around 400k, the same house in Hackney would cost 2 million. Door to door that journey is 2 hours in perfect conditions. If you want to buy something on London wages, you aren’t buying in London.

*If you want to live in a massive house regardless of location / lifestyle.

Huh? Why don’t they just get jobs in Leicester and cut out 1/2 of a working week in commuting that they’re not getting paid for?
Or live somewhere else with jobs and cheaper houses?

Perhaps part of the London bubble is just that people are insane, and will ruin their lives for a higher salary on paper, no matter what it costs in sanity and quality of life.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Kitchner posted:

On the London talk it's a 10 minute walk to the tube, 45/50 minutes to central London, and then let's say 5/10 minutes on the other side.

It's a commute I'm OK with, but recently I've been struggling to find a job here that doesn't seem to expect constant long work days or lots of international and doesn't pay total poo poo for London and involve working with twats.

My girlfriend and I considered moving back to Cardiff where I'm from originally but it s so hard to find jobs that I do in Cardiff. There's one major company in the city that would have potentially hired me, interviewed with them for a less senior role than I'm on now, and they went with someone else.

I don't actually want to leave London and all my friends etc but moving to another city and getting even a similar job can be fairly hard as the UK economy is so London centric when it comes to large companies.

Why does the size of a company matter?

What industry are you in? Some are London centric for sure, but there are surprisingly large pockets of specific industries in places like the South West, Birmingham, Manchester.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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el dingo posted:

Mate my company made us all take a 20% hit regardless of furlough status. It was a 'voluntary reduction'. I'm out here doing deliveries putting myself at risk (nothing compared to retail/NHS) and getting a paycut as thanks while literally everyone else in my team is staying home.

Did you volunteer for it though?
You should contact your union or an employment lawyer, there’s no reason to change your wage if you’re working.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Bape Culture posted:

The wording is literally:

“Those who pay themselves a salary and dividends through their own company are not covered by the scheme but will be covered for their salary by the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme if they are operating PAYE schemes.”

So there’s going to be millions of people getting 500 quid through that scheme and losing everything. Insanely ftw

I assume you’ve all saved up the money you got by dodging income tax by not taking a realistic salary, so you should be fine.

Ultimately, why should you get back the same from the system as salaried people who pay their full share of tax on their income. You’ve contributed less.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Tomarse posted:

Speaking as a small limited company owner I’d like you to please show your mathematical working on how my tax contributions differ significantly to yours.

Big companies like amazon can get away with contributing a lot less. Small limited companies don’t unless they work “cash in hand” (which you can also do in your spare time if you like!)

Yes - I don’t pay much tax on the Segment of my annual income that comes as PAYE. However any dividends that I draw above that are taxed at a set rate (7.5% and then 32.5%).
My dividends come from any profit my business makes... this is taxed via corporation tax (now 18%).
I lose 1 or 2 working days per month to business admin (vat returns, accounts, invoicing)
I have to pay an accountant (about £70/month for me)
I don’t get any paid sick days or holidays or training.

I’ve done the maths on this! Yes it feels good to bash people not paying income tax but you don’t pay dividend tax or corporation tax and also get paid holidays and sick days so it evens out!

If you somehow think you’re paying more / as much as you would be by taking a regular salary from your business, why aren’t you doing that?

Corporation tax isn’t relevant really - my employer is also paying that, as are they all. It doesn’t pay for anything on your behalf, but for your company.

The dividend tax is far lower than the 20%/40% that salaried people pay.

How much national insurance tax do you pay? That’s the tax that seems relevant for paying for this kind of bail out - it’s what pays for maternity leave etc, which is the most similar thing in concept.

Is the intended solution for your companies not to take a loan to cover running costs (like salaries)? Is there something stopping you increasing your own salary ASAP to make up the difference?

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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el dingo posted:

My partner and I went down to lidl for the weekly shop. We took the long way there but on the way back our bags were heavy so walked our normal route through london fields. Jesus christ, so many people, including at least 2 couples sat on the grass having a loving picnic.

I do feel for people who don’t have gardens - I spent the whole day in mine and then had a BBQ.

The warmer the weather gets it’s going to be worse for people stuck in their flats.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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NonzeroCircle posted:

Whilst I don't agree with the people flocking to the parks in the slightest, especially when they aren't even practicing social distancing, I do understand that not everyone is in the same lucky position as I am and have a largish garden to spend time in if I do want to go outside or let the dogs out.
There's the expected baying for blood and £1000 fines and all that Daily Mail poo poo on social media ("hurr if they're from London they probably don't even speak English" *posted from my Cotswalds Holiday Home*) .
I'm not sure what a realistic repercussion for this is, there should absolutely be something in place but as a lot of people are already struggling for funds and those doing this are likely not to have an outside space of their own then fines probably aren't a feasible way forward. making GBS threads on picnics it is.
Shame that it isn't pissing down like it normally is.

Worse is the religious groups just taking the piss and still attending services, and having 100 people go to a funeral.

That seems much easier to crack down on though.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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I said come in! posted:

He is what, day 12 into this or so? It averages about 18 days before a patient dies.

Day 12 since we were told.

kecske posted:

https://twitter.com/inthesedeserts/status/1247251679772323840?s=19
doesnt sound like the sort of thing you'd say about someone who was just being cautious

I don’t think we would’ve heard unless it’s was deadly serious - I’m sure he’d like to project an indomitable strongman image.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Waltzing Along posted:

I know, back in the day (and currently, of course) there was a sizable number of people who hated Thatcher and would have taken to the streets in celebration were she to die in office. The same as how we hated Reagan. How is Bojo viewed in comparison? If Thatcher is 100 on the hatred scale...

Depends who by.

As leader, he’s only been in a short time so the end consequences of anything he’s done haven’t really come into play yet. Mainly he lied, obfuscated, blocked the Russia report, lied some more, then inexplicably won the election in a landslide.

But it’s clear that Brexit as a whole is his fault in large part, he was complicit in all the austerity bullshit we’ve suffered under for the last decade (including deliberately underfunding the NHS), and has assembled the most right wing bastard government possible with a strong mandate, somehow.

Rich tories like him cos he’s one of them.
Poor racist & nationalist people like him cos he’s “a bit of a buffoon” and is supported by our horrific press. Despite his policies basically being “stab poors in the eye”.

Everyone sane hates him, knows his government is scary and that Russia probably helped get Brexit done.

That leaves the other 50%.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Torquemada posted:

I’m not particularly fond of the idea that Russia had anything to do with Brexit at all. There’s more than enough stupid racists to go around; “never attribute to malice…” etc. It gives people a cheap thrill to say WAKE UP SHEEPLE, when really nothing about Brexit is in the least surprising.

It’s not an idea, an extensive report has been done into this. The question isn’t “was there interference” as there was undoubtedly huge unaccountable money finding the leave vote campaign. The only question is who provided it, and was that all they did.

And the very good reasons for not releasing the report detailing whether or not they actually did interfere, prior to an election which became a defacto Brexit confirmation vote was...?

If the answer was “no interference”, the report would be out already.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Waltzing Along posted:

I don't know anything about it other than the UK refused to adopt the Euro which always seemed like a tacit way of saying they didn't really want to be part of the EU, anyway. It also seemed like a colossally stupid thing to do. If the goal is to unify, doing something that blatantly goes against that already puts a big wedge in things.

Who said the goal was to unify? That explicitly wasn’t the goal originally, and it’s the threat of it that has driven the UK further away.

Being able to trade easily and have the same standards for food safety etc. is one thing, becoming some kind of US of E is a totally different thing.

There are real benefits to having control of your own currency, interest rates etc. , which we have benefitted from at times. Also needing approval from France and Germany to print money is obviously not going to be popular.

Also some folks would never agree to have money with our the queen on it. Northern Ireland and Scotland still cling to their vanity banknotes FFS, despite it being the same currency, and wasting poo poo tons of money.

We basically had our cake and could eat it too with the arrangements we had already, and in the best case we’ll go running back with our tail between our legs for a worse deal in future.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:

Lol “we didn’t adopt a currency because the cartoon on it was the wrong one. “

Well you try talking staunch royalists out of it. Blue Passports x1000.

Easier to revolt and murder all royals than convince some people.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Jeza posted:

France is doing similar or worse on every metric, why exactly is their death toll predicted to be less than a quarter of ours? And Italy is going to somehow completely stop all deaths in about 3-4 days?

Well, if they know their ICUs are empty now or something , it may be that predictable.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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I prefer roasting for both sprouts and broccoli, cause I’m lazy.

For sprouts: toss whole with olive oil, salt and pepper, then mix in some walnuts and bacon bits.

1/2 an hour on 180c

Then grate on some Parmesan and and a squeeze of fresh lemon wedge or two.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Shut up Meg posted:

Last figures I saw suggested that about 80% of the confirmed cases were transmitted by an carrier showing mild or no symptoms, so you're right.

I was talking to the nice lady at the supermarket checkout yesterday - repeating the opinion of the local postmaster that you can't tell old people to do anything and they'll merrily go about their daily routine as always, making no effort to avoid encountering infection.

She rolled her eyes and said that the over-70s were the worst - they had to put up physical barriers to stop them wandering along the checkouts, getting with 2 foot of every single person standing at the tills. She said she sees the same faces there, every day of the week. When she asked some why they weren't isolating: 'we like to get our bread fresh each day'

Ugh. There was an old lady in front of me the other day in the checkout, buying only a woman’s weekly and some kitchen roll.

Yes I’m sure that is your once a week shopping trip lady.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Jose posted:

yeah thats too long lol

anyway lol we're all being turned into serfs

https://twitter.com/jessbrammar/status/1248496829768974336

I hope they mean “Farmers to pay a reasonable wage”, given that they’re in dire straits if the fruit and veg doesn’t get picked.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Amphigory posted:

Missed that queue at the Ginger Pig. loving hell, folk planning a big Easter Sunday lunch probably

Is Bottle Apostle still open, do you know

I don’t know what the ginger pig is, but people are buying more meat because it’s good enough weather for BBQs and it’s a bank holiday weekend, which is still meaningful to those of use who’re working.

I’ve had 3 in the last week alone, just cause it’s nice to be outside.

Edit: an => a

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wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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I do feel for everyone without a garden, it must be so much worse.

Maybe after this is over people will reconsider their priorities and move out of overpriced cities where it’s not even really affordable to rent, let alone own a place with a garden.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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feedmegin posted:

Yeah, when out of towners think about London theyre always thinking of, like, the West End or the Tower of London at peak tourism times when of course it's rammed. Never, like, Barking high street on a rainy Sunday afternoon.

And a rainy barking High Street offers so much more than other cities in the UK because...?

There’s lots going on in London proper, but most of the people who “live in London” are just in a place vaguely commutable to a job there, have a poo poo commute every day, and aren’t out every night taking advantage of the culture / events.

As you say, all the tourist attractions are ruined by swarms of tourists, and you’d never go to them.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Moola posted:

its easier when you're younger because you tend to have more disposable income

Lol what? Maybe if you live with your parents while working full time or something, but that’s just a horrible thought.

meme posted:

I've been having to drive from Liverpool to the midlands every couple of days to look after someone's dog

I decided to not smoke weed today, after 13 years of smoking 10+ zoots a day.

So you’ve been drug driving every day before now, nice.

Just because you can easily get away with ignoring laws (like lockdown) doesn’t mean it’s cool or good, or doesn’t have consequences for other people.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Total Meatlove posted:

I work somewhere that mandates it, massively safer when you go to leave your space.

Not sure I buy this. And it takes way longer waiting for people to reverse in.

I have a car boot so I can go get a big load of compost, which I want to load directly into the boot from the cart.

No way to do that with the useless bonnet facing out.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Bardeh posted:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/..._d04rxPUK7DZWOE

Furlough pay got extended to everyone employed up until the 19th March - it was 28th Feb until today. This is (hopefully) good news for my wife, as the franchise she works for was taken over by a new company in early March, so although her job didn't change, her employer did, so we didn't think she'd be able to get it.

I’ve heard of at least one person (possibly in this thread weeks ago?) who had a job offer rescinded after handing in their notice, and will be saved by this.

So good news.

I passed my driving test during rush hour in Aylesbury, a hellhole with a one way system and myriad roundabouts on the crest of hills, which require you to select the right lane based on faith far before any signs telling you.

Fortunately the gridlock meant that there was very little driving to be done, just sitting in jams for 20 mins. Would recommend.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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monkeytennis posted:

No loving way.

You’d have thought the paramedics would know better.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Catfishenfuego posted:

It's sunny up in Scotland and you can tell everyone is completely hosed off with the complete lack of communication, support or clarity from the government and giving up on staying inside and social distancing. Also I've developed a facial tic from stress from food redistribution work while everyone else at my job is furloughed.

Are the furloughed people doing the same job as you normally?

If so, you should tell your workplace that they can shift workers on and off furlough every 3 weeks (I think) - so they could potentially give the others a chance to “contribute” while you are furloughed for a bit.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Amphigory posted:

Hit up Iceland yesterday, mate. Got a freezer full of Greggs sausage rolls and steak bakes for tonight's tea

Greggs sell frozen sausage rolls in supermarkets? Wtf.

Grim stuff.

Only thing worse I’ve heard is an obese Uni mate who’d go to a kebab shop at its closing time and get kebabs with the remaining unsold meat for cheap, then freeze it and reheat later.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Captain Splendid posted:

Sainsbury's, Tesco, Waitrose, Boots etc are leagues better with sandwiches.

Do none of you people live in moderately sized cities with a selection of lunchtime foods that aren’t prepackaged supermarket sarnies?

Go to any deli sandwich shop and they’ll make you exactly what you want fresh, in about 2 minutes, for about the same money.

The key is to find the ones with ultra-efficient Eastern European people running them.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Edit: double post via the app

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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I’d like to promote an alternative to the clapping, where we take 5 minutes to silently think about how many people died this week, and then think about whose fault it is that the NHS has been underfunded for a decade and has run out of supplies, and doesn’t have nearly enough doctors and nurses.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Pistol_Pete posted:

B&Q is making you queue to go on their fricking website :argh:

So dumb isn’t it. I did 2 pickup orders from them in the weeks before they started that bullshit, no more.

Apparently they’ve now opened about half their stores though.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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juggalo baby coffin posted:

birmingham is a real nightmare at the moment. everyone has loving taken up running and every street is an obstacle course of panting losers breathing their germ particles all over. no one seems to be taking social distancing or the lockdown seriously.

Wha? Where are you, it’s been absolutely fine where I am.

I don’t blame anyone for running, a lot of people are essentially in prison right now, and need to get the max exercise in their hour out. It should be easy to a reasonable distance though - but things like the canals are a problem - just not wide enough.

I assume you’re wearing a mask constantly if you’re that worried about it?

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Generic Monk posted:

broad street is legitimately horrid imo (i live here)

Yes, but easy to avoid I think - and it’s just the same as the nightclub heavy streets in any big student town.

I hope it gets gentrified out of existence at some point.

I cross it occasionally to go to the cinema, otherwise don’t even see it.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Jose posted:

ty for the help but none of this applies to me. supposedly umbrella companies are lobbying the government to include them so the massive amount of contractors they employ survive
So, what do the umbrella companies do, and why do they exist if you’re self employed?

Why wouldn’t they be included if they’re tax paying, British registered companies?

Lemon posted:

Any Virgin goons having broadband issues?
Yes, it went out from 5ish. Back now.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Jose posted:

if you're a contractor you either start a company yourself or use an umbrella company. primarily they pay you via PAYE so you don't have to do taxes or anything but also they're clearly fiddling how they pay us becuase basic pay is min wage and then everything else i should be getting paid is commission from them. except the job i've got pays by the completed work so if you go over the minimum required you get paid for it

Yeah, so sounds like they’re dodging national insurance and deserve to burn. I don’t understand how this affects you though - you’re employed, you have a contract, they need to keep paying you... right?

Re Rishin Sunak & Infosys: sounds about par for the course for a Tory.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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learnincurve posted:

I’m getting really really sick of seeing men on twitter who have never baked before immediately go into full on nerd mode and start harping on about starters, and then very quickly get out of their depth and make some horrific waste of flour doorstop. instead of just making a nice loaf of white or wholegrain like a sane person.

Sourdough is overrated, and no better than using normal yeast - plus makes all the bread taste sour, obvs.

Surely there must be some ringleaders handing out little pots of starter to make people think this is a good idea.

Sodabread though I can’t see any reason to hate, it’s fine, less of a faff than yeast and makes nice bread.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

but i want people to risk their health for av certificates!!

i'll have a think re: categories then; Best Scavenger would be a sensible one

What’s an av certificate?

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wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Dell_Zincht posted:

What Jose posted isn't a parmo, we don't have tomatoes on them.

There's no such thing as a small parmo unless it's a kiddy one (or you're in an upmarket restaurant. Yes, such places do exist on Teesside and yes, they do them purely for the locals.)

Us Teessiders are weirdly protective and proud of the parmo and the fact that it's so unhealthy.

Why would Teeside be a place that has some claim to / competence in making a chicken parm?

You may have American levels of disphoria over Italian food. Although without tomato I really can’t imagine what a Teesside Parmo is.

Why is there no such thing as a small one?

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