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DropsySufferer
Nov 9, 2008

Impractical practicality


If markui hadnt used his power in the most idiotic way in the beginning Id have sympathized with him more. In no reality is it ok to think you are a different person. That is mental illness and an extreme sickness good job helping her.

If he had shown that he could really help people who needed it like a sick people with cancer or poor people that would have been interesting. Id have been willing to fight against the team for that goal.

Just granting wishes and fake happiness to people is reckless and he needed to be put down.

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ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

He will know I am near when he hears the screams of my enemies.

You also never run into the scenario where two people might have ideal realities that conflict with each other. Say Ann wants to have Shiho come back to school, but Shiho might want to travel the world or something. Then Maruki has to play 'whose dream do I modify so that everyone is happy'.

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another rainy day commute





Pillbug

The interesting thing about Maruki is that he himself acknowledges that it is better for an individual's own growth and mental state to overcome their hardships via therapy and time, but because he himself cannot get over his own past failures, he projects this onto others in his life via his persona ability. He actualizes Rumi into forgetting her trauma and Sumire into being Kasumi without even trying traditional therapy or thinking they could still recover and live happy lives as they are now. If somebody shows even a modicum of difficulty in overcoming their trauma he just defaults to "oh it's too painful for them" and erases it forever, even if that means they lose things precious to them in the process like Rumi lost her memories of Maruki. His whole method is him projecting his own inability to face trauma onto the general populace.

RazzleDazzleHour
Mar 30, 2016



When your new god is re-enacting scenes from Bruce Almighty you got a problem

Arbite
Nov 4, 2009

Our mare for President. The President who loses this war must buy himself and his counterpart custom titles of the winner's choice, and wear it for no less than a month. To the strongest



Man, that Haru/Makoto tag team attack is the best one yet. I'm actually sad they don't have a wrestling costume, even as dlc.

Lord_Magmar posted:

Personally the wrestling tag-team is my second favourite, my favourite is much later and is mandatory to see at least once.

Oh ho? Looking forward to it then.

Arbite fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Jul 2, 2020

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


The tag team attacks are all pretty wonderful, shame there are only 2 each for the most part, Id have been interested in Ryuji and Morgana doing one for example. Could go with them getting into a fight and turning on the shadow for interrupting, a big ball of violence rolling over the enemy.

Personally the wrestling tag-team is my second favourite, my favourite is much later and is mandatory to see at least once.

Sockser
Jun 28, 2007

OBSERVE



I like Fist of the Phantom Star quite a bit but I dont get whatever the joke is with the soda at the end

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~

RazzleDazzleHour posted:

When your new god is re-enacting scenes from Bruce Almighty you got a problem

Which was the whole point of Maruki. For all his power, hes no god. Hes just a man unable to deal with his own trauma and quite literally projecting that onto the world at large. The whole final boss proves that hes trying to bury his own misery in his delusion of being a benevolent god the same way hes enforcing a false happiness on everyone else.

Sockser posted:

I like Fist of the Phantom Star quite a bit but I dont get whatever the joke is with the soda at the end

Ryuji offers Makoto a soda and she, being the health stickler she is, crushes the deeply unhealthy drink in the most intimidating way possible.

Geostomp fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Jul 2, 2020

SITB
Nov 3, 2012


ApplesandOranges posted:

You also never run into the scenario where two people might have ideal realities that conflict with each other. Say Ann wants to have Shiho come back to school, but Shiho might want to travel the world or something. Then Maruki has to play 'whose dream do I modify so that everyone is happy'.

There are a couple though.

One of the NPC plot-lines in Akihabara was about a girl acting as a hired girlfriend and in turn hired a boyfriend herself and how it all went down badly; and in Maruki's dreamworld (IIRC) her personality got rewritten to match the hired girlfriend facade. Or the train guard that wished that his senior wouldn't have been promoted and continued working with him forever.

There are a bunch of stuff like that lying about that shows how Maruki rewrites people where NPC's personality does a 180 degrees turn to make other people happy.

ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?



Sockser posted:

I like Fist of the Phantom Star quite a bit but I dont get whatever the joke is with the soda at the end

Do you know how much grip strength it takes to crush an unopened can of soda?

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017



Lord_Magmar posted:

The tag team attacks are all pretty wonderful, shame there are only 2 each for the most part, Id have been interested in Ryuji and Morgana doing one for example. Could go with them getting into a fight and turning on the shadow for interrupting, a big ball of violence rolling over the enemy.

Personally the wrestling tag-team is my second favourite, my favourite is much later and is mandatory to see at least once.

Honestly I'm disappointed there isn't one of Joker with each member.

Zwingley
Sep 20, 2011

"My dear Seth, you look absolutely dashing!"



Hair Elf

One thing I wanted and didn't get from the new semester was an option to have Joker throw down with Maruki right away for an early ending, with just Akechi and maybe Yoshizawa.

And Tyler Too!
Aug 15, 2007
JOCKEY OWNS

Stichelin it is, thank you!


Joker never gets his final billiards showdown with Akechi (using his left hand).

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


And Tyler Too! posted:

Joker never gets his final billiards showdown with Akechi (using his left hand).

Their rivalry isn't finished yet indeed.

Dawgstar posted:

Honestly I'm disappointed there isn't one of Joker with each member.

Yeah, although the two he gets them with do work well on a story level. My actual issue there is they don't have one with eachother to round out the set. Could easily call it "Benevolent Beauty and the Baleful Beast" or some such nonsense.

Theme it around them having similar themes of pretending to be someone else and being liberated from this by Joker's friendship/rivalry/love. So they'd start by playing the Detective Prince and Kasumi, and end as the Black Mask and Sumire.

Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Jul 3, 2020

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

0.000% of Communism has been built. Evil child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a shit-eating grin.

Sydin posted:

He's done it in the past too, when he used his power on Rumi to make her forget the incident that traumatized her, but also Maruki. He claims to you over and over that she's happier and so he's fine with it, and in doing so dismisses out of hand the possibility that she ever could have recovered and shared a life with the man she loved, which maybe she ultimately would have been happier with. It's even hinted he might be wrong about his decision to cut himself out of her life since, in their brief post-actualization dialogue, she takes an interest in him and says she wants to spend more time with him before he bolts. There are a lot of context clues that Maruki's world - while it may result in no conflict - does not mean everybody would be happy. Or at least, not without a lot of people being brainwashed into accepting his reality to the point they aren't even really themselves any longer.

I was under the impression that he sort of "mistakenly" used the power on Rumi. He didn't know he had the power yet and sort of inadvertently made it happen. I think everything follows from that - he realizes what he did, sees that she seems much happier (basically he sees her go from catatonic to "normal"), and then decides to go all-in on things because he wants to convince himself that his own sacrifice was worth it (because otherwise he'll have made his fiance forget him for nothing).

SITB posted:


There are a bunch of stuff like that lying about that shows how Maruki rewrites people where NPC's personality does a 180 degrees turn to make other people happy.


Yeah, I distinctly remember one where a woman is like "suddenly my husband agreed to all this stuff I wanted, but it's weirding me out because it's like he's a difference person."

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RazzleDazzleHour
Mar 30, 2016



Ytlaya posted:

I was under the impression that he sort of "mistakenly" used the power on Rumi.

I dunno, immediately after the flashback where you see that happen he says that it'd be really cool if exactly that happened, and then seemed pretty happy when it did. Even if it was theoretically an accident, it was exactly how he felt the situation would best be solved

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