|
YaketySass posted:P4A's Yu was fun but I'm not sure if they should repeat that and make the respective protagonists the goofiest version of themselves in every anime adaptation. Dunno how else you'd make Ren more interesting though. I mean you could play up his trolling, his charm, or both pretty easily. Dude is a criminal mastermind who becomes the target of a national manhunt and substantial bounty but still forms a quite large conspiracy of folks who don't turn him in, despite having really spooky powers. You can do a lot with that even without diverging that far from what he does in the game, just adding a more lines and set characterization. He's basically the heist movie character that brings everyone together and talks them into the outrageous schemes, that should be a really fun character. Especially since he gets to go into the metaverse sometimes and take the disguise off (metaphorically of course). Joker is super extra in the game and contrasting that with his school persona could also be really fun.
|
#
?
Jul 5, 2020 21:57
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 26, 2024 22:23 |
|
|
Equeen posted:Hey thread. I just finished playing the original P5 and really enjoyed it! Part of me wants to immediately get Royal, but I want to be patient and reasonable and wait for price to decrease a bit. Is the $60 worth it? Are you really aching to play the slightly dull parts of the game again when it's very fresh in your memory or did you play the original over a very long period of time? I found it entirely worth the full price but I hadn't played P5 since it originally came out so I had forgotten enough that it a bit fresher than it would have been. I'd say it's probably going to go on sale at some point, think it was on a small sale a few weeks back actually so you'll be able to get it cheaper than $60 soon.
|
|
#
?
Jul 5, 2020 22:00
|
|
|
Ultiville posted:Dude is a criminal mastermind who becomes the target of a national manhunt and substantial bounty but still forms a quite large conspiracy of folks who don't turn him in, despite having really spooky powers. I never really understood why the Phantom Thieves were considered criminals, especially as early in the game as that happened. I understand Shido wanting to cast them as criminals, but I don't get what the actual crime and justification is supposed to be (since their powers aren't publicly known). From the public perspective, there are just calling cards and then suddenly people confess to their own crimes. I don't get what crime is supposed to be happening on the Phantom Thieves' end there. thebardyspoon posted:Are you really aching to play the slightly dull parts of the game again when it's very fresh in your memory or did you play the original over a very long period of time? I found it entirely worth the full price but I hadn't played P5 since it originally came out so I had forgotten enough that it a bit fresher than it would have been. I've never understood how people can do NG+ immediately after finishing these games. The vast majority of the gameplay experience is the life/social sim stuff, which is almost all going to be identical, and the combat is extremely boring when you're overpowered (and I find that attempting to manually set restrictions never works out that well). I really wish there was some difficulty that effectively made the entire game's content high level (like those early Personas in end-game Mementos who have different stats/weaknesses), so at least there would be some unique challenge other than the couple challenge bosses. I was able to enjoy P5R a lot, but that's because it had been a few years since P5.
|
|
#
?
Jul 5, 2020 22:27
|
|
|
Ytlaya posted:I never really understood why the Phantom Thieves were considered criminals, especially as early in the game as that happened. I understand Shido wanting to cast them as criminals, but I don't get what the actual crime and justification is supposed to be (since their powers aren't publicly known). From the public perspective, there are just calling cards and then suddenly people confess to their own crimes. I don't get what crime is supposed to be happening on the Phantom Thieves' end there. Well given that criminals very rarely confess for no reason and the confession scenes in game have the palace owners acting really weird I think people would probably assume there's some crazy blackmail or extremely heavy handed coercion going on. I think the actual crime that gets talked about on the show with Akechi and stuff is like, disturbing the public order and undermining the justice system or something. If you think about how much benefit of the doubt real life sexual abusers and grifters get there'd definitely be a raft of people saying the phantom thieves are just smearing these innocent job creators/creatives/whatever and that they are the true criminals. thebardyspoon fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Jul 5, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jul 5, 2020 22:44
|
|
|
It didn’t help that they identify themselves as thieves to the public. Even though their “crimes” take place in a realm the law never accounted for, their own altruism, and the fact that their “loot” is just replicas of the actual items, they still consider themselves vigilantes and accept the criminal label.
|
|
#
?
Jul 5, 2020 23:08
|
|
|
Ill be honest I've never played a NG+ of any game that didn't allow you to completely remove any of your imported advantages. Like, a version of P5/4/3 where you start off at level 99 with max social stats and four million yen just doesn't seem fun at all. At that point I think I would rather just watch a longplay, if I'm gonna spend the time to actually play the game myself I want to have to actually engage with it, especially considering without all those things all that's left is a linear visual novelGeostomp posted:It didn’t help that they identify themselves as thieves to the public. Even though their “crimes” take place in a realm the law never accounted for, their own altruism, and the fact that their “loot” is just replicas of the actual items, they still consider themselves vigilantes and accept the criminal label. I've never considered this angle but it's actually hilarious when you think from the angle that the police are basically like "They're stealing hearts? We should put them in jail because stealing is bad" RazzleDazzleHour fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Jul 6, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2020 02:13
|
|
|
NG+ mostly just gives you too much free time by carrying over social stats. You don't keep your levels and you don't have to use the Compendium. Honestly if you didn't need NG+ to fight the Velvet Room attendants and to complete the Compendium I generally wouldn't bother. Even then you can Platinum P5R just fine in one go, so one playthrough is enough for me.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2020 02:30
|
|
|
ApplesandOranges posted:Honestly if you didn't need NG+ to fight the Velvet Room attendants and to complete the Compendium I generally wouldn't bother. Even then you can Platinum P5R just fine in one go, so one playthrough is enough for me. Same, I want to do NG+ eventually but the appeal of the secret bosses isn't enough to make me spend at LEAST seven hours speedrunning the game
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2020 02:37
|
|
|
ApplesandOranges posted:NG+ mostly just gives you too much free time by carrying over social stats. You don't keep your levels and you don't have to use the Compendium. Yup, but it takes a minimum of three playthroughs to fill up the thieves den completely................. . . . . .I need help .
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2020 02:48
|
|
|
Madmarker posted:Yup, but it takes a minimum of three playthroughs to fill up the thieves den completely................. Uh, I think you mean 11, one to romance each girl because you, uh, are being monogamous aren't you? You aren't cheating on your waifu... .....ARE you?
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2020 02:52
|
|
|
ApplesandOranges posted:NG+ mostly just gives you too much free time by carrying over social stats. You don't keep your levels and you don't have to use the Compendium. Yeah, but it's just a shame, since it would be interesting to have the full game's content, but approached from the perspective of you having access to higher level abilities/personas.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2020 02:57
|
|
|
RazzleDazzleHour posted:Uh, I think you mean 11, one to romance each girl because you, uh, are being monogamous aren't you? You aren't cheating on your waifu... Semi-related, but I romanced Ann on my playthrough, and decided to reload to check out the stag night option by ignoring her messages. She still showed up on the 15th to pummel me because she saw me with someone else through the window, despite the fact that that 'someone else' was Ryuji and Yusuke. Sojiro was even there! I said so! He still left me high and dry.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2020 03:04
|
|
|
If you hit rank 10 on a romantic route and reload to before rank 9 it still counts for the achievement. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2020 03:10
|
|
|
RazzleDazzleHour posted:Uh, I think you mean 11, one to romance each girl because you, uh, are being monogamous aren't you? You aren't cheating on your waifu... Of course not, the first time through you date all the girls except your waifu, you're not ready for a commitment like that yet. You get beat up a little, but you know who you have real compatibility with. Then the next two times through you get to date your waifu from start to finish twice. Gen. Ripper posted:If you hit rank 10 on a romantic route and reload to before rank 9 it still counts for the achievement. Honestly, with how overpowered you get after the first run, it is just way easier to replay the game again, because you have to reload right before they go to level 9, but the achievement in the thieves den doesn't update until level 10. Madmarker fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Jul 6, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2020 03:12
|
|
|
I've never dated anyone but Makoto and I never will
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2020 03:14
|
|
|
Just going to say that the P5 Scramble soundtrack loving slams. Especially Daredevil and the Scramble version of Last Surprise.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2020 06:35
|
|
|
Just finished the Hollow Forest in P4 and, without getting into spoilers, it was the only time in either P4 or P5 that I actually felt like SP was a precious resource I had to strategize around preserving.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2020 09:14
|
|
|
To be honest even if they didn't call themselves thieves I'm pretty sure the fact they're a vigilante organisation getting confessions before the police are even able to investigate or even made aware of these criminal actions for a proper investigation is enough to get them acting. Add in that the legal system is clearly portrayed as corrupt it's not a surprise they're labelled as criminals. The SIU Director is probably the source of it, after all he's able to assign one of his prosecutors to the case. Add in they've got a public figure backing the stance of the Phantom Thieves being criminals in Akechi and it doesn't matter if they've actually performed a crime, only that the government is labeling them as such. Especially because breaking and entering would appear to be required in a few cases, as well as public disturbances and blackmail/coercion.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2020 09:47
|
|
|
Yeah honestly, if you were an outsider/not in the know you’d absolutely expect the phantom thieves to, at the very least, be blackmailing and threatening people into confessing, and most likely breaking and entering/bribery/hacking to get their hands on blackmail material. Add on top of that possibly disrupting public order and, if you’re acting in bad faith, you could slap calling to violence/harrassment of individuals to that with the calling cards. Even if you’re acting in perfectly good faith as a police officer/politician, without knowing their modus operandi or abilities/connections, you would have to suspect they’re part of a criminal organization taking down rivals or vigilantes who will eventually get themselves or somebody else killed with their antics. At that point an investigation is more than warranted, at least to figure out what the hell is going on and whether the law is being broken (even in the hypothesis that they would be cleared of all charges afterwards due to lack of evidence) It makes me sad that Akechi’s motivation turned out to be daddy issues and him being a villain rather than having him be a proxy for the non-corrupt parts of the police who turns on the PT’s out of moral duty, which was what I was expecting instead of the rather lame turn we got in the actual game.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2020 10:30
|
|
|
Also before I forget it's pretty easy to give Ren a personality, given he's actually already got a tone to him beyond just blank protagonist. He almost always only has sarcastic/sneaky responses to direct questions, either through feigned innocence/ignorance, active trolling or quick quips. This is someone who's response to being told say something is to say "something" and the other two options aren't much better. Just lean on him being a sarcastic little rear end pretending to be a straight-laced kid as the ultimate troll-tactic. The episode of the anime where Kawakami's whole deal happens is great because it leans into this with the most outrageous lies/jokes that Ren can perform in that situation.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2020 10:43
|
|
|
Just give us 'time to button mash' Ren.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2020 11:37
|
|
|
For some unknowable reason, the higher ups at Atlus regretted giving Yu as much personality as they did in spin off, so they deliberately try to keep Ren more generic. Despite the fact that he should have the most personality of the three main Wild Cards just from his actions and style as Joker alone. So if you’re wondering why he’s so boring in the anime, that’s why.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2020 14:04
|
|
|
Given current events, it seems to me even more correct that people would quickly decide the phantom thieves must be criminals and for the thieves to fear discovery. Making powerful scumbags who feel secure confess is an incredible threat to the status quo. (Even if the game doesn’t really follow through on it.)
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2020 16:00
|
|
|
Ultiville posted:Given current events, it seems to me even more correct that people would quickly decide the phantom thieves must be criminals and for the thieves to fear discovery. Making powerful scumbags who feel secure confess is an incredible threat to the status quo. (Even if the game doesn’t really follow through on it.) That and the pre-existing mental shut downs that Shido and his goons pin on them. Before that point, nobody who wasn’t directly threatened by their actions seriously saw them as crooks. Their anonymity and mysterious, supernatural methods made them easy scapegoats for just about any crime. The only shock is that nobody else did so before Shido’s goons made their big play with Okumara.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2020 17:27
|
|
|
So one of my AC villagers asked my help coming up with a new catchphrase. There was really only one option: 
|
|
#
?
Jul 7, 2020 16:20
|
|
|
HaB posted:So one of my AC villagers asked my help coming up with a new catchphrase. There was really only one option: This is wonderful.
|
|
#
?
Jul 7, 2020 17:27
|
|
|
So I'm sorry for continuing to bing P4G chat into this thread but loving  that (extreme endgame spoilers) it was the gas station attendant from day one! The true master mind! This game can be so dumb. Also like how the game really tries to punk you out of noticing it by giving you several prompts to just gently caress off and end the game.
|
|
#
?
Jul 7, 2020 18:24
|
|
|
Sydin posted:So I'm sorry for continuing to bing P4G chat into this thread but loving Yeah I think that is kind of the precedent for P5's "actually here's the REAL final boss" after the game should have already ended
|
|
#
?
Jul 7, 2020 20:50
|
|
|
Fojar38 posted:I've never dated anyone but Makoto and I never will The only sane choice in an insane world.
|
|
#
?
Jul 7, 2020 23:06
|
|
|
RazzleDazzleHour posted:Yeah I think that is kind of the precedent for P5's "actually here's the REAL final boss" after the game should have already ended At least the P5 one was someone who was involved with the plot, had a connection to the player, and fit the themes of the plot. Though I will give the P4 one some credit: the random gas station attendant you met once at the very beginning being the true mastermind was the most appropriately Scooby Doo twist for the game.
|
|
#
?
Jul 7, 2020 23:13
|
|
|
Geostomp posted:At least the P5 one was someone who was involved with the plot, had a connection to the player, and fit the themes of the plot. Also, it is one of those things where it is actually pretty obvious something is up if you actually go out of your way and talk to them throughout the year. But, the thing is there is zero reason to go back to the gas station to chat them up.
|
|
#
?
Jul 9, 2020 20:41
|
|
|
Plus she only appears on rainy days in the first place so most people won't even be there to talk to her.
|
|
#
?
Jul 9, 2020 22:25
|
|
|
Namatame is around for a while near the second half of the game, too, occasionally, but by then I'd almost totally forgotten who he was Funny story from my first play-through of P4. I beat the whole game in five days, just going on an absolute bender. Got it Friday night, played all through to Monday, when I then had to go to school, but then the next two days we cancelled due to weather, and I had it beaten by Wednesday night. I was doing full-on playing the game every single moment I was awake, for days in a row. Monday night before bed I was looking at fanart on GameSpot, and I saw someone uploaded fanart of the killer. I was like, I can't help it, I can't resist looking at spoilers, so I clicked on it, and I couldn't tell who it was. I was like, "I haven't seen this person before," but I wanted to double-check. I opened a guide, and the guide spelled out the killer's name, like, one letter at a time vertically with eight spaces between each letter. So I read out the first name only, and said "Wait, Tohru? Yeah I definitely haven't met this person yet, weird." So I went all the way through the next two days knowing who the killer was but totally unable to make the connection. I saw the name on the list when it finally comes time to name the killer in Nov/Dec, and think "I don't know how I could've known it was this guy, I haven't even met her yet. Then, you walk to the hospital and have the conversation, and I thought "man we're wasting a lot of time talking to this person I thought we were gonna go confr-OH gently caress" e: to this day I have no idea how I managed to turn my brain off to an extent that I hadn't even THOUGHT about who the killer might be, I was just so along for the ride that I didn't put in any thought about it on my own RazzleDazzleHour fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Jul 10, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jul 10, 2020 03:04
|
|
|
AlternateNu posted:Just going to say that the P5 Scramble soundtrack loving slams. Especially Daredevil and the Scramble version of Last Surprise. I just heard of this game today, and it's a shame that it seems like it's not coming out for a long time (like at least 2021). RazzleDazzleHour posted:Namatame is around for a while near the second half of the game, too, occasionally, but by then I'd almost totally forgotten who he was Namatame is actually around for pretty much the entire game. He's randomly hanging out in either the Riverbank or the Shopping District. It's interesting seeing the various things he says over time. Same with Mitsuo Kubo early on. Regarding Namatame, it's actually pretty easy to tell that he's at least not malicious if you talk to him throughout the year. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Jul 10, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jul 10, 2020 19:45
|
|
|
Ytlaya posted:Namatame is actually around for pretty much the entire game. He's randomly hanging out in either the Riverbank or the Shopping District. It's interesting seeing the various things he says over time. I think those might be Golden additions, but those are still neat ideas
|
|
#
?
Jul 10, 2020 20:04
|
|
|
I finished a run in the base game RIGHT before the pc port was announced ( ) and I can say with certainty that Namatame loiters around Inaba even in the base game.
|
|
#
?
Jul 10, 2020 20:18
|
|
|
SettingSun posted:I finished a run in the base game RIGHT before the pc port was announced ( Oh yeah Namatame is around, but I never saw him before the second half mostly, and I never once saw Kubo
|
|
#
?
Jul 10, 2020 20:49
|
|
|
Just finished P4G last night, it was... alright? I'm trying to judge it in the context of a PS2-era JRPG but man the game really started to drag after Adachi, the whole Marie plot was dumb as hell. All the dungeons being glorified Mementos and all the enemies just being constant reskins with weaknesses shifted around wasn't great either, by the final dungeon I was just running past everything to finish the game up ASAP. I ended up liking most of the characters at least, even if they can get a bit trope-y at times. The only party member I'm not so hot on is Teddie, which is a combo of him being perpetually horny and the game just not seeming to know what it wants to do with him a lot of the time. Also I now retroactively seriously appreciate just how much love and care went into crafting the open world areas in P5. I think Shibuya all by itself is bigger than the sum total of Inaba, and certainly more detailed. Overall I'm glad I bought it and I had a fun enough time, but I'm certainly not going to be checking out NG+ any time soon.
|
|
#
?
Jul 10, 2020 21:04
|
|
|
P5R reflection: At what point do you think the dev team realised they actually wanted to make a game about Akechi? Do you think they realised during development of Vanilla but by that point it was too late to change the story? Or was it after the fan response? I can't help but think how much more interesting the story could have been if they realised that from the start. They did a pretty good job of retconning him into the ending of Royal though.
|
|
#
?
Jul 11, 2020 01:39
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 26, 2024 22:23 |
|
|
They sold a few copies of P4G on PC. https://twitter.com/Atlus_West/status/1281785285764775941?s=20
|
|
#
?
Jul 11, 2020 06:32
|
|
