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Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Yeah Iíll be bad in this game too

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Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




##action Sandwolf

Hello friends, I will succeed at this game because I usually donít know what Iím doing, so Iím used to it

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Eat The Rich posted:

What's this button do?

##action Steak

Rich are you scum, as a fellow rich person hater you have to tell me

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Someone make me and ETR confirmed masons

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




##vote gamer

You fell perfectly into my gambit, idiot.

Lunch all liars

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




##vote Steak

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




flerp posted:

c u all tmrw

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




I canít believe the scum team is Sand/Bif/Steak what a disaster

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Anomalous Amalgam posted:

What the duck is up my people? This is evening quarantine AA, yes... I've been drinking, so what?

Who's scum, why isn't it me and why is it you?

I already named the scum team please pay attention

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Mr. Steak posted:

i find it funny that a bunch of people voted me for the functional equivalent of "wait until later in the day to fire your lurker gun"

Yeah it was about 20 peeps that voted for you

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Gamerofthegame posted:

fool

the pantry mafia game is the other one!!!

##vote ypm


what if it's you? how would you know!!!!

I think Gamer is ~~manufacturing content~~ and doesnít believe this case smh bag him and tag him

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




How do I vote two people at once

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Anomalous Amalgam posted:

So who is scum for real?

Mr. Steak posted:

i find it funny that a bunch of people voted me for the functional equivalent of "wait until later in the day to fire your lurker gun"

I honestly think this is a scum post. Note that at the time Steak wrote this, two people had voted him for saying he wanted to wait (hum voted him earlier for running grudge reasons I guess). It reads as scum who is over exaggerating the danger they are in.

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Do NOT insult my friend AA, who is an angel

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Sand please shoot Bif she asked a question

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




The idea that anyone who used their action substantively thought about it is absurd

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




I refuse to keep up

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Dragonatrix posted:

YPM and Amni both voting for Steak for opting to not even try his action was a little odd I guess, but hard to call them serious or anything. Amni made his obvious at least by unvoting once jokephase ended.

Bif's argument is so weak that I can't see someone putting it forth at all if they're scum. It's not even remotely convincing and it's more like just trying to grasp at anything for a serious case.

Can't blame her for that either; the game has been moving fairly slowly thus far.

The initial vote was a joke, current vote is real

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Amnistar posted:

Okay, rereading the thread and I'm gonna ##vote YPM

Their posts are superficial and it's hard to parse what is actual content vs. what is a joke. To the point that they voted for steak (as a joke?) but then it's a real vote? And they voted for gamer because they were manufacturing content, but it was a joke? but maybe it wasn't?

Hey friend I didnít vote gamer for the manufacturing content bit.

Also, look deep inside yourself. Are you really confused about the gamer manufacturing content thing? Do you really think I looked at gamer making what amounted to a lunch pun, and said to myself, ďThis is it. Iím going to lunch gamer. Iím going to get everyone to get rid of gamer on the back of my ďhe voted me for saying that the pantry mafia game was in another threadĒ case.

You are reaching and I donít think you actually did a reread.

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Mr. Steak posted:

what changed?

I explained it already, you overreacted to the joke votes.

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Amnistar posted:

Sorry was I being unclear?

I am not confused by what you are saying, I am pointing out that you are ping pinging between joking and not joking to avoid making actual firm stances you can be held accountable to in the future.

What stances would you like me to clarify so that I may properly be held accountable?

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Mr. Steak posted:

oh yeah. i remember now.

your case is that "a bunch" cannot possibly mean two people

You know, I looked back at that post, I donít think I actually said that my case was only that you incorrectly used the phrase ďa bunchĒ

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Your Personal Muse posted:

You know, I looked back at that post, I donít think I actually said that my case was only that you incorrectly used the phrase ďa bunchĒ

A fun fact: if you had said ďtwo peopleĒ instead of ďa bunchĒ, my case would be the same, if not stronger. You still took the time to defuse two joke votes.

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Mr. Steak posted:

drat, try making your case without being an rear end in a top hat about it

Iím not sure how I was an rear end in a top hat, I was refuting your straw man argument. If I insulted you without realizing it, Iím sorry, truly, I donít want mafia to become unpleasant and I would appreciate if you pointed out what I did to attack you that was unwarranted so I can rectify it in the future.

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Mr. Steak posted:

i thought you were doing it on purpose, so im sorry for jumping the gun. i didnt feel personally insulted, just talked down to.

like, the "fun fact" and "actually, i reread my post and i don't think i said that" came off as unnecessary ways to say "i disagree with that take". like, did you actually go reread your own post before writing that, and then come to the newfound conclusion that your case was not exactly what i said...?

I did do it on purpose to try and point out that you were misrepresenting my case. I donít think I have to be constrained to just saying I disagree with you, especially when it looks like you are intentionally and in bad faith distorting my case.

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




##unvote I no longer think Steak is scum. I disagree with his analysis that scum wouldnít overreact to joke votes, since I think scum tend exaggerate the danger they are in, and I generally hate meta self defenses but I liked the cool down and the response was genuine.

Amnistar posted:

You have now, since pressure has been applied, taken a firmer stance that is accountable, but that does not change the fact that you behaved the way you did.

What pressure? I promise you that I would have played the exact same way regardless, even without the one vote based on a flimsy case. The only reason Iím responding to the case is because I think itís fabricated, and Iím trying to figure out whether itís because you are town trying to generate content day 1 or scum looking for a place to park their vote.

I still donít know exactly what stances you thought I was trying to waffle on. I made the transition from joke to real vote very clear. So, what stances do you think I was

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Mr. Steak posted:


wait, solus is in the game??

##vote solus lurker kill

drat, right after I unvoted him Steak did me dirty like this

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




I hate anyone who popped into say ďwow Bif and YPM are both town because they made bad cases ~~crazy~~ byeĒ

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Steak give us some scum reads so I feel better about unvoting you, you have mechanics talk and a lurker vote so far

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Amnistar posted:

People talking about your posting is pressure. Pressure is not always votes.

Talking is only pressure if there is real worry from the target, otherwise itís empty talk. There was literally zero threat from your case. Stop avoiding my question. You said I was slipping in and out of joke phase so that I could avoid scrutiny on my stances. What stances were those?

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Amnistar posted:

Being disengenious about what I am saying is a also scummy. I have already said what the things you were doing were, what stances you seemed to be joking and then not joking about.

Ok but I didnít vote for Gamer with the manufactured content thing. Again, do you really believe that anyone would say that was a serious case? That I was seriously casing him for making a lunch pun?

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Your Personal Muse posted:

Ok but I didnít vote for Gamer with the manufactured content thing. Again, do you really believe that anyone would say that was a serious case? That I was seriously casing him for making a lunch pun?

To clarify, you said I didnít make a distinction between joke votes and serious votes and used my gamer vote and steak vote as examples. Letís ignore that I didnít actually vote gamer for what you said I voted for him for. When you made the case on me, I had explicitly said that my Steak vote was real due to his follow up, so Iím not sure who I could have theoretically wiggled out of that one. And I really donít see how I could have used the gamer case to my advantage.

Can someone else comment on Aminís case?

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Amnistar posted:

I think you were 'joking' until such time as someone called you out on it, and then were going to stick with it, like you did with steak.

When did someone call me out on Steak?

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Bifauxnen posted:

Yeah, I think you got a good point here. I'm just not feeling as all fired up about it like I am about my own case on Hum. I could still see this as a possibly town Amni making mistakes by working off vague memories instead of triple checking everything. As opposed to Hum where I can't see at all how a townie would give me the kind of responses he's given.

But like I said, I only see it as possibly town Amni. This is worth pushing and pressuring Amni about, and I would help out with voting Amnistar if he was a lunch candidate today.

I would tend to agree that this is town working off vague memories, but Amni specifically said it was a result of a reread.

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Amnistar posted:

I was looking at the "We got him, he's scum" and "How do I vote for 2 people" comments as posts that can be jokes, or not, based on what people respond to them.

I assume we got him, heís scum, is referring to when I listed the scum team, because otherwise I donít know what you are talking about unless I missed a post. Those two posts are not what you mentioned in your initial case. Instead, you mentioned only my Steak and Gamer votes (of which one wasnít actually a vote). In addition, my first serious post, which was clearly delineated, was AFTER those two posts so I you canít say I was drifting in and out of joke phase for those two posts.

Plus, you could say that about literally any post in joke phase

##vote Amni your case is fabricated and you are digging in a way that isnít town trying to generate content.

I donít like the Solus lunch and that ETR post was awful

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Amnistar posted:

I called this out initially and you even responded that you didn't vote for Gamer with the post...so like...I'm confused why you're pulling a gotcha here.

Itís not a gotcha I have just seen enough to conclude you donít actually believe the case. And again, how can you look at that post, where I said that gamer was manufacturing content because he made a lunch pun by referencing pantry mafia, and conclude that I could make a real case out of it in a vacuum?

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




spacing in vienna posted:

I can't tell if this post feels scummy to me because I disagree with it, or if it feels scummy to me because I'm not sure that you believe all of it. But it's ringing some bells.

How are words alone pressure when there is zero threat behind those words? It annoys me that Amni is pretending like I couldnít possibly just go after Steak because I thought something was there, no, it has to be because of the immense ~~pressure~~ I felt from his case which boils down to making some jokes

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Gamerofthegame posted:

this entire game is making words and using those words to make people vote with you

how is that not inherently pressure that'd dumb as hell

Because pressure requires legitimate threat behind those words. You can attempt to apply pressure, but you wonít always succeed.

Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




spacing in vienna posted:

Ok the pressure thing might just be a difference of opinion, then, because I feel like there's an implicit threat in all the words of this game. Townies and scum make cases, people are swayed, and then lunches happen.

I wasn't talking about pressure in the context of whether or not you were feeling it, as amni implied, but rather whether or not words count as pressure, and I think they do.

I guess in my mind, there has to be some effect on the recipient for it to be pressure. If I had announced at the beginning of day 0 that I was a n0 cop and I had a scum result on Amni, thereís no pressure even though I said words that could conceivably result in Amniís lunch. The game literally doesnít allow for that claim, everyone knows itís false. Thereís no pressure

But that has nothing to do with actual scum hunting. What do you think about Amniís case on me, semantics aside? I think Amni fabricated the case. Compared to Sandwolfís suspicion of me, which I believe for now, I just donít see how someone could look at the posts in context and think that I was setting up outs for myself.

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Your Personal Muse
Oct 5, 2010




Sandwolf posted:

Those posts arenít the reason Iím slightly suspicious of you, YPM, and I do agree with you that I think theyíre a little bit extrapolating from your posts.

Though I think in total this attempt to figure out what pressure is is largely a waste of time

Iím sorry, I didnít mean to suggest that you agreed with Amniís case, I meant that I believe you when you say that you find my posting style in general is scummy.

When you say they are extrapolating, are you referring to Amni? And do you think itís a town or a scum extrapolation?

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