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Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



Can we get another sasquatch update, possibly featuring arguments about whether sasquatches are actually biblical giants?

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Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



seiferguy posted:

It's crazy to think Nintendo, a company that wouldn't allow religious symbols / phrases and mentions of the word "death" in games (among not allowing any swear words whatsoever) now has a monopoly on the titty contingent gamers.

i suspect this is only true for the small contingent of titty gamers that aren't just relentlessly buying and downloading creepy games from steam, which seem to be constantly in the "new" tab

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012




https://twitter.com/mrpeanutbaby/status/1292997869243445248?s=21

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



Silly Newbie posted:

Just a heads up, I'm hearing that there are a bunch of videos going around social media today with poo poo like cat pictures interspersed with serious gore, so be cautious as you trawl around for thread content.

You can tell which pictures these are because they’ll flash their headlights at you as part of their gang initiation

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



Grraarrgghh posted:

Also I don't buy the "just a joke" narrative. IMC tweeted that out literally a full year after the SA/Gawker Violentacrez expose and subsequent Reddit purge.

Wasn’t he a pseudo progressive at that point and was making fun of the reddit masculinism movement or whatever? Like before his recent rebrand to right wing dipshit he was using ostensibly socially liberal language to sell his online persona

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



Heath posted:

What are those values exactly

I would say that this person and most people who take a position like this are not earnestly advocating for these things but the left does have a monopoly on protecting important abstract social things from being commodified and exploited by the relentless grasping capitalist class, like the nuclear family, rural towns, labor arrangements that sustain those things, etc. Someone with a genuine interest in a Rockwellian looking America where the possibility of raising a family on a single income, buying a house and going to church every week etc etc is pretty much only possible to imagine existing on any scale in the future via socialist politics but the cultural discourse surrounding everything often precludes people discussing that in a meaningful way without also being a horrible bigoted piece of poo poo ala the “patsocs” or whatever

Obviously the big problem with that is it is inherently predicated on continued imperial exploitation and all the other relevant criticisms of existing social democracies but speaking strictly in terms of selling ostensibly left wing economic incrementalism to western populations, there’s some utility in that line of argument, I reckon

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



That a large proportion of the populace trusts any of those institutions besides the least influential and numerically smallest, labor unions, at all is an apocalyptic omen

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



Data Graham posted:

Is that even a thing in the first place? Are fewer students interested in history now?

Going by nothing but my gut but it sounds like BS

Unfortunately they really are. History enrollments are dropping precipitously across the country and austerity is devastating departments, which are first on the chopping block. Thinking about the one at my alma mater in particular - they’re small but have punched above their funding weight in terms of students dispatched to Ivy League PhD programs and/or excellent positions for students with MAs (not including me, of course). Both my brother and I earned our MAs via TA positions and had fantastic experiences, so I feel confident when I say it really is an excellent department. I also have a friend who was the department academic advisor until he quit about two months ago because of the insane administrative dysfunction.

Anyway, all that is to say, even relatively successful history departments at public universities are feeling the drop in enrollment seriously. Anecdotally, I recently had lunch with my thesis advisor who still teaches in the department, and he painted a super bleak picture. they cut TAs entirely this year and folded the funding for history graduate students into the college of humanities and sciences. Undergraduate enrollment is down something like 75% in terms of majors because of a deranged feedback cycle where professors only teach upper level courses or niche topics and it’s like pulling teeth to get people into the classes that result in retention. The plan now is to eliminate the actual graduate program entirely and devolve it into a certificate program / formal degree that employees can earn via benefits but which can’t be earned by enrolling normally.

As I understand it, outside of a few lucky institutions with money or a very specific focus on history, that’s the rule everywhere regarding history departments. Universities are just hosed in general, that same institution laid me off after four years less than one month after hiring three entirely new assistant deans, and this week they laid off sixteen English professors. Twenty years from now universities will just openly be real estate investment vehicles with a small sideline in usury

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



LawfulWaffle posted:

not a lot of jobs at the history factory, mate. get that MA in humanities and spend a decade+ working retail or segue into some business or IT role anyway, because that's what's hiring. not an endorsement of the system, btw, just how it seems in this bitch of a world.

History isn’t easily commodifiable but this is flatly untrue. Having an MA gets you in the door in lots of roles in the private sector, government, university admin, etc that certainly isn’t ideal but is far better than working in retail. It’s true that humanities degrees don’t yield the same obvious path to prosperity as stem degrees but this stupid narrative that posits they’re only good for securing retail jobs is inescapable and dead wrong. Out of my cohort every single person is either teaching, working at a library, university, or government entity, or just working in the private sector.

It’s dumb to go into debt for one but this idea that the only place you can get work with degrees in the humanities is Starbucks is part of the problem because people seem to forget there are countless generic jobs that require at least a bachelors and they suck rear end but they’re not the same as working at McDonald’s. It’s important to be realistic about one’s options when pursuing a degree in one of those fields and realism is more about acknowledging the lack of PhD/teaching/research opportunities and selling the writing and research skill you acquire in the context of non-history work.

You don’t have to work at “the history factory” or industrial poetry refinery to make effective use of an education in those areas and if you end up in the private sector that doesn’t mean the degree is was irrelevant and useless, either

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



Tried to look up the toilet thing and it seems to be a Garry’s mod/source poser thing using one of the default resistance guy heads and a toilet, in which the head resides and sings, with many many thousands of recent videos with enormous view counts

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Feb 10, 2012



Ravenfood posted:

Right, but we are talking about people who want to do History for a living, not people who want to study it for an undergraduate degree and then go do something else. Almost none of those are jobs studying history.

No I was talking about the relative value of a master’s degree and this bizarre ubiquitous assertion anyone who gets them is either working retail or getting a PhD, the whole “jobs studying history” thing - which is only one type of job, getting a PhD - is what started this, trying to express the very obvious reality that those degrees have utility outside of what the general dismissive discourse assumes. You’re talking about the utility of an undergraduate degree with regards to entering the field which hasn’t come up in this discussion at all

It’s actually pretty impressive the knots people will twist themselves into to avoid acknowledging the possibility that learning to read, write, and think critically might have some abstract or commercial value

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