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The Dave posted:Going off of reddit it sounds like they did manage to add new stuff to the plot and timing that is not needed and is worse. Okay but have you considered it might not be a remake? Y'all ever heard of being Rebuild'd?
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The Dave posted:I mean if you read the thing I wrote that isn't a quote yes, yes I did. No... what I mean is This is a sequel to FFVII. Disguised as a remake.
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Apr 1, 2020 14:08
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Harrow posted:From the other thread: It didn't go well. Namely, because I don't think Anno knew where the gently caress he wanted to take it. As for VIIRE The scene in question, is a quick flash of the white materia bouncing on the stone. It, combined with a lot of elements, have me sure this is a sequel hiding as a remake. and I wouldn't be surprised if later games use different "RE" names, leading up to "Reunion" More pointedly, here's how I would expect things to go This game still pretty much follows FF7's plotline, things are expanded, and there's a lot of extra intrigue that's not originally there, but it's, all together, FF7's Midgar. I would expect the next game to deviate further from this, maybe direct things not happening the way they should have happened. A remixing of events. Things like the Tiny Bronco not being shot down and being forced to use as a boat, or it is completely destroyed, forcing the party to find a proper boat to proceed. And I expect the further it gets, the more cascading the effect is going to get. Until we're finally confronted with the fact this isn't a remake of FF7, but a sequel, masquerading as a remake. Me, personally, I'm all on board the Nomura Crazytrain, but I really do feel for people like Man, I just wanted a remake
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Apr 2, 2020 15:20
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Apr 2, 2020 15:46
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Harrow posted:Really, even if this isn't a sequel masquerading as a remake, it does look like it might be leaning way too hard on "the player knows everything that's going to happen so we need to tease them with the Big Things they're excited to see" to the point that it might be alienating for someone who has never played FF7. I hope that's not the case but it would be pretty disappointing it it ended up going that way. I am entirely unsure on Aerith surviving or not. Because on the one hand, Aerith living is like... you can't, right? It's... Aerith DIES... it's the whole thing... but counterpoint. Aerith's death was so shocking and impactful, because you didn't see it coming, and no one came to replace her. The only way to elicit that same feeling of shock... is if she doesn't die. The other reason I think so... is Hollow. The ending track for VIIRE... like... that song is very clearly Cloud singing about Aerith and wanting a Do Over from losing her. As well, in Chapter 2, one of the Sephiroth hallucinations Cloud has literally pushes Aerith out of the way to mock Cloud for not being able to save her, basically. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8xjXZ2xdEQ That said, the other way to make Aerith's death a shock, is to remix and do events differently and lead the player to believe they'd be willing to not kill her, and even juke them out about it, and then do it anyway. I have no idea, and I kinda love it... because I want to have no idea, that's exciting to me.
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Apr 2, 2020 15:59
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Harrow posted:Oh poo poo, I hadn't paid attention to the lyrics before. Interesting song to do for the first part of the remake, too. Yeah, I'd decided to go look at the trailer and then paused, and looked up the lyrics and my mind just went "Hold on... what?" and then in the english version of the video I linked (which didn't have the lyrics displayed, hence why I linked the japanese one) Uematsu confirms the song is being sung from Cloud's perspective in the rain.
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Apr 2, 2020 16:15
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Harrow posted:Well, I hope if that's what they're actually doing, it's done in a way that works for first-time players, too, and not just for people who know the original story inside and out. Same, but I can't deny being on this train. Elephant Ambush posted:So if this is actually a sequel masquerading as a remake, then where/when does it take place? Is this all in Cloud's head? Is he in a coma again? Is this all a dream? Time Loop. This isn't entirely impossible either, as, while this is definitely trash most people don't even know. The secret ending of Dirge of Cerberus has Genesis show up and collect one of the dumb dudes, the one you don't fight, to go "It is not yet time to slumber, we have much work yet to do, my brother" So... if they decided to go FULL stupid, Whatever their work is wound up looping time back. And, I think the final nail in the Rebuild theory to me, is the Watchmen of Fate descriptions. The physical manifestations of future destiny, they fight with swords to protect the future that shaped them. The physical manifestations of future destiny, they fight barehanded to protect the future that shaped them. DO NOT LOOK IN THAT BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST MAJOR SPOILER IN THE GAME IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED.
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Apr 2, 2020 16:30
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A Sometimes Food posted:You don't introduce ghosts to keep the future on track if you're gonna keep the future on track. That's loving stupid. If things don't change you just do it the same. I know Nomura has a rep but I don't think he's that incompetent. also, this bit. AGAIN MASSIVE SPOILERS! DO NOT CLICK IF YOU WANT TO AVOID THEM Red XIII: Whispers. Perhaps best described as arbiters of fate. They are drawn to those who attempt to alter destiny's course and ensure they do not. Tifa: D... "Destiny"? Red XIII: The flow of the great river that is the planet, from inception to oblivion. Tifa: And you're saying that that flow is somehow...fixed? Red XIII: Yes. For it is the will of the planet itself. Barret: So if we're destined for a bleak future, these Whispers will try to keep us on that course? Now, wait just a drat minute! How in the hell can you possibly know any of that? Spouting that cryptic stuff which could all be bullshit! I mean, ain't you a Shinra lab rat/dog? Red XIII: No, I'm not. When Aerith reached out to me... I found this knowledge of the Whispers. There is very much an indication that the theme of FF7RE is Defying Fate
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Apr 2, 2020 16:59
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Harrow posted:Yeah what's the current rule for this spoiler thread as far as tags go? So far it looks like we're tagging speculation and remake-specific spoilers but not spoilers for the original game? I figure the original game is free grounds, for goodness sake it came out in 1997. Remake stuff should be spoiled.
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Apr 2, 2020 17:17
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Black August posted:Wait. Isn't this the SPOILER thread though? Shouldn't we just freely talk? I mean the game isn't out everywhere yet, better to be safe than sorry at least until after it's world wide launch.
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Apr 2, 2020 17:29
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Harrow posted:I think part of it is that people don't want even the smallest spoiler-tagged spoiler in the main thread so people are being cautious even here in the spoiler thread. That might change once the game is out and spoiler tags become necessary in the main thread (and this one becomes the "totally untagged spoilers for the whole game" thread). Yeah, I figure a good rule of thumb is "Tags until the game is out everywhere, after which feel free to go untagged"
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Apr 2, 2020 17:37
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It's amazing is what it is!
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Apr 3, 2020 02:11
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Mywhatacleanturtle posted:This seems like a good time to remember that both nomura and Kitase were directly involved with Dirge of Cerberus... Nomura drew the character designs for Dirge. That's his involvement. You know what they were also both involved with? FF7 the original, and a whole bunch of other games. Anyway This is a sequel, just like I thought OH poo poo SEPHIROTH IS PULLING A GARLAND TOO! I LOVE IT! Onmi fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Apr 3, 2020 |
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Apr 3, 2020 02:58
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HD DAD posted:Remake definitely seems to hold a greater meaning to the story than simply “this is FF7 for modern consoles”. This could be terrible or it could be batshit weird, but good.. Like... I need to be clear, this isn't me being 'ironic' I genuinely love this twist. Because now I'm genuinely curious... AERITH SEE'S ZACK'S DEATH! WHAT'S THAT MEAN NOW?! It's strange, in a way, how this perfectly encapsulates the emotional feeling of finishing Midgar in FF7 for the first time. Because at the end of Midgar you're learning that there's this huge world, that the Shinra company isn't the big threat, Sephiroth is, and the entire game has been recontextualized. With this ending, with Aerith imploring the group to help her fight fate, knowing it means that things will go different this time, with Sephiroth apparently maintaining his memories of the original timeline. Everything past this has new contextualization! Everything is completely different than what you thought you'd get, and unlike "Subverted expectations" I'm excited for this!
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Apr 3, 2020 03:07
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Harrow posted:It occurs to me that they never wanted to remake FF7 in the first place. Wasn't the old line that they wouldn't remake FF7 so long as the original was replayable? I mean Nomura also said that he specifically never wanted to remake FF7 as "It wasn't my project to begin with" He'd always been against doing it whenever he was asked in interviews and the like.
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Apr 3, 2020 03:23
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Oh my god https://streamable.com/zk7lsi Zack Lives?!
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Apr 3, 2020 03:30
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:What? How does that even make sense? Harrow posted:Wait why does he have the Buster Sword? Didn't Cloud take it? Time fuckery? I don't know! But I am excited to find the gently caress out!
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Apr 3, 2020 03:36
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Big Scary Owl posted:I'm gonna need some context, when does this take place in the game? After the end? It's apart of the ending, yeah. Mywhatacleanturtle posted:Lol they could have just not done...this...and had a series that printed money for a decade, and now part 2 will probably sell half as well since newcomers won’t know what the gently caress is going on and ff7 purists will hate it on principal. They could have just squirted out 'HD graphics' and printed money. Also lol if you think Part 2 still wont do gang busters.
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Apr 3, 2020 04:24
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Mywhatacleanturtle posted:Don’t get me wrong, I respect the balls, I just don’t understand the bait and switch. Well, there are several ways. 1. Nomura doesn't want to remake FF7 since he didn't make FF7, so this is as good a way to get him to do the project as any. 2. The thing with Remakes is you need to elicit the same emotional response as the original did, and nostalgia only has so much power. Let's take RE2. RE2RE is not a straight remake of RE2, in fact, it's pretty darn different. but it elicits the same emotional response as you probably got when you were a kid. 3. I kinda think Nomura just likes exploring crazy concepts. doing a FF1 tribute in FF7 probably really appeals. 4. It's not about the money. Again, if it were about the money, they could have done tonnes of cash grabs. They could have kept whatever Cyberconnect made that they scraped to do it all in-house. The fact they did scrap that and decided to focus entirely internally says a lot.
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Apr 3, 2020 04:40
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RatHat posted:Ok so this is all fun and good but lets talk about the gameplay. Yeah I knew those were in the game already from earlier leaks. It seems pretty drat fun and good.
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Apr 3, 2020 05:21
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RatHat posted:Also I can’t find where I read it but there are 6 summons+ the 3 pre-order/deluxe edition ones. Choco/Mog
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Apr 3, 2020 05:30
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Makes sense. And also, there's this picture. Stamp's just Shinra propaganda
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Apr 3, 2020 05:57
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Alright, I was kind of entertained by the ridiculousness at first, but this is a bit much: https://streamable.com/8bsh95 I've heard that it's optional if Avalanch survives
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Apr 3, 2020 06:29
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Big Scary Owl posted:Wonder if this means that saves are gonna transfer over to the next games or if that's just something that won't matter in the long run, like at all I expect we'll keep flags and have bonuses if we max level. but the level cap in this game is 50, which very much indicates that we'll start Game 2 around 30-40.
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Apr 3, 2020 06:38
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This would all be awful to me... if the game wasn't so loving fun. Because it's really good. And it's really earnest.Big Scary Owl posted:This is all just an elaborate ploy to erase Genesis' existence THEY DO MENTION THE G PROJECT THOUGH!
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Apr 3, 2020 07:04
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Apr 3, 2020 07:57
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Apr 3, 2020 08:45
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Hidingo Kojimba posted:As someone who was watching that stream for 3 hours, gotta say you could tell the EXACT moment someone posted that link on 4chan and the conversation quality immediately took a dive from talking about the comparative merits/flaws of each mix of the Jenova theme to OMFG NOMURA. The fact that it makes /v/ so utterly butthurt only makes it better.
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Apr 3, 2020 09:19
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Harrow posted:I can't deny that I'm a little bummed out that it isn't a straight remake even as I'm really curious what they're up to. It would've been cool to see the original story play out in an expanded form and with insanely good visuals and great action gameplay, and I was getting really excited for that. That we're never getting that is at least a little disappointing. Yeah, I get that mindset where it's "I really just wanted... the story because I'd like it to be prettier and more fun" and... it is a shame that it's not exactly that. That said I pretty much figured this was what it was, when Hollow hit.
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Mywhatacleanturtle posted:Despite my misgivings, I am still incredibly hyped for this stupid game and this stupid series. In the trailer when Barret is like "C'mon, you see the piece of poo poo we're driving here?!" And Red, with no prompt, for no reason, just goes "Says the 300-pound sack of it."
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Apr 3, 2020 13:31
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Mywhatacleanturtle posted:This is exactly what I’ve been saying. It’s baffling. cock hero flux posted:this isn't what anyone expected or wanted and I can't imagine how it possibly got greenlit The thing is... you're wrong. People were already complaining. They complained when it wasn't turn-based, they complained seeing the Honeybee Inn wasn't what it was. They complained at the loving first reveal. People have been complaining for loving years. They've been bitching and moaning, and crying, and throwing a fit, over every minor detail. I'm hearing loving complaints, that it isn't literally just the same game engine and all, but all the models are nice and the backgrounds are cleaned up. Because just cause you think that people would have been not pissed off with your in-head ideal FF7 Remake, doesn't mean it would actually not had a pissed off contingent. gently caress, let's pause and take a look just over the thread at RE2 and RE3. Because I still loving hear people bitching they weren't remade like RE1 was. I still hear loving bitching that Mr. X was more prominent in 2. 3 is being bitched out for being "Too short". What world do you have to be live in where there's an option at all which doesn't lead to pissed off people. I would like to inhabit it. I'm not saying don't be shocked, I'm not saying, don't be pissed off, if that's how you feel. I'm saying don't be deluded.
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GoGoGadget posted:Res XIII was always snarky at first, especially to Barret. Remember, he's also a teenager. He just tries to act more mature.
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Black August posted:The help I need is for you to have some fun with me teasing the game for being a little too up its own mythos' rear end. The joke is that in the Bombing run, after Barret goes on his huge spiel about the planet, and how he can hear it crying out in pain, Cloud implores him to "get help"
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Apr 4, 2020 00:43
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Apparently he shows up briefly when the plate falls. But the plate didn't kill anyone now, so I dunno what the gently caress is going to happen with Reeve. I mean the Plate kills plenty of people, it just doesn't kill everyone.
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So. Thinking on it, the Remake has done something kinda genius regarding Sephiroth. The mystery of Sephiroth was dead. Every one knew it, there was nothing to speculate or think over anymore. The new Sephiroth has a mystery again. Is he from the future? Does he just have memories? Is he even Sephiroth or another Jenova? Jenova Dreamweaver, the new form, can induce hallucinations. The mystery is remade.
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Apr 4, 2020 08:18
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canepazzo posted:People who call this game a failure already are insane Already know people were pissed off on it not just being a seedy gently caress club.
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Blockhouse posted:they made wall market into kamurocho it's still plenty seedy I was going to say. Wall Market now just looks like Purgatory or Kamurocho or any other seedy pleasure district.
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Apr 4, 2020 09:23
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Harrow posted:I'm sorta surprised, looking at Reddit and YouTube comments, how many people seem to be on board for things to be changed. Like nobody's freaking out about the obvious huge changes shown in the final trailer, and the majority of the comments in the Reddit spoiler thread seem more curious than anything (though there's no shortage of "ruined forever" people). I had a friend who basically became relieved after seeing that it wasn't just a remake, because in their mind, if it's meant to be a replacement for the original, then every change becomes an effort of analyzing everything and scrutinizing it, and wondering if it's "better or worse". But the way it is now, this is its own thing, it doesn't 'invalidate' the original game, like some feared.
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