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Caesar Saladin posted:Get piano lessons and learn about melody, harmony etc and then learn how to use a synth, otherwise you won't make anything interesting. this is will take more work but is probably the best solution. you don't even have to play piano well AT ALL, just get familiar enough to mess with chords in an intentional way pop punk posted:You can't just look at youtube because you don't know anything about music so you don't know what is totally bullshit and what is useful. Depending on the genre there is a good chance 90 percent of people know literally zero music theory. Masterclasses are very good and cool, but not for people just starting. They are more for people already in the flow who are looking for new angles to approach the work from. (At least all of the ones on writing are. I have no idea outside of that.) 
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zedprime posted:There is a science to pop art. You can even go to universities to learn the science, they teach it to everybody. It's this. If you don't have the connections or pedigree then you're never going to make it no matter hoe good you are Maybe if you're exceptionally good looking but lol you're not
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Apr 6, 2020 06:48
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zedprime posted:There is a science to pop art. You can even go to universities to learn the science, they teach it to everybody. It’s this. The other thing about famous authors is that they all knew each other, all attended the same writing workshops, and were writing letters to each other and reviewing each other’s books. Artists, too. Most of “The Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas” is, like, Matisse and Picasso jerking each other off.
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Apr 6, 2020 10:45
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That's true but OTOH, if you just want to make an album for fun and not as a career, you don't need that at all. Just get a guitar and start shredding.
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Apr 6, 2020 11:17
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mobby_6kl posted:That's true but OTOH, if you just want to make an album for fun and not as a career, you don't need that at all. Just get a guitar and start shredding. you're probably gonna need guitar lessons unless you're pretty naturally talented
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Apr 6, 2020 13:49
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I read this as massacres and the answer was yeah
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Apr 6, 2020 14:02
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nah there's like what, 5, 6 strings, max? and i've got ten fingers, that's less than a string per finger. assuming i can master a string at a (conservative) rate of one per day, i don't see any obstacles to shredding within a week
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Apr 6, 2020 14:02
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Caesar Saladin posted:you're probably gonna need guitar lessons unless you're pretty naturally talented Well yeah (and I should know), I meant networking and connections that PML was talking about. You don't need to be best buds with Bono to make your own lovely album
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Apr 6, 2020 14:28
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I was reading this thread on my phone and then swapped to YouTube and immediately got an ad for Masterclass with Deadmau5
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Apr 6, 2020 14:42
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Julius CSAR posted:I was reading this thread on my phone and then swapped to YouTube and immediately got an ad for Masterclass with Deadmau5 what's your av from mate?
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Apr 6, 2020 15:02
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I have no clue. Picked it up in the last “buy an av thread”
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Apr 6, 2020 15:16
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It could be helpful if you already have the basics down. If you're familiar with your DAW and can manage the basics of building a track then you might get some decent tips. But like everyone else is saying; much of what you want to get from this class can be had for free from other talented musicians. Also, you'll be able to find genre specific tips and tutorials with your DAW of choice and it'll be easier to follow along.
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:It’s this. The other thing about famous authors is that they all knew each other, all attended the same writing workshops, and were writing letters to each other and reviewing each other’s books. Artists, too. Most of “The Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas” is, like, Matisse and Picasso jerking each other off. They knew each other because good artists gravitate to other good artists. Good artists gravitate to the same workshops and meet each other. You seem to be implying you have to know people from before your career and not that if you are really motivated and talented you will meet and get the respect of new peers. Of course Matisse and Picasso jerked each other off. They were the best. Were they supposed to be talking about Phil, the weird guy who has only shown up three times to the local event this year who hasn't shown anything? Real recognize real. People deep in something can see a fake or amateur and nobody has time to waste on that. You should also be writing because you love writing, not for some sort of external praise. OP- Get started, do the masterclass, meet some friends. If you really love it go in 100%. If you don't, you now have more perspective to appreciate the music you love from having seen behind the curtain.
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Apr 6, 2020 17:24
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Go to the class and convince deadmau5 to come back as a mod
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I was mostly poking fun at some of the circuitous replies that are all mostly stacking up for the right opinion of "if you need to ask the internet if you want to take a class for fun what do you even think you're going to get out of it" for some wrong or mythological reasons. "Do you know piano" in regards to a prereq to cutting beats on a computer program is entirely a cypher for "have you internalized basic western music theory". "Do you know people playing music" is a cypher for "this is a social activity, do you already have a social circle who might help you more than a man on the computer screen?" People teach themself instrument technique from YouTube all the time but that seems absolutely miserable because technique is very physical and you need a teacher standing there yelling at your for bad finger placement for quickest results. Music theory is a little easier to learn like that although that's debatable as a lot of people make the gains by being able to link it to the physical technique. A western chord progression just feels great on a piano or a guitar, but it's just another set of blobs on a musical staff. Or vice versa depending how your brain is wired. Less of this applies to outsider art although most of what is well known musical outsider art is either well versed in pop art and making fun of it or twisting it (jazz) or is versed in non western musical theory (extreme/noise). Ask yourself if you're about to make good outsider art or are about to make the Demon Rush soundtrack if you decide piano or music theory knowledge is optional https://youtu.be/fVpA9a9fu14
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zedprime posted:
No. Not "Do you already have." It is prepare to and start developing these things. You can not have these things already unless you are a weird outlier. MOST people develop these things AFTER deciding to get involved. Also they keyboard has nothing to do with piano from my recommendation. You literally use a keyboard via midi to interface with the programs you will be using. (In the computer it is a picture of a keyboard when you are using the programs. You literally have no choice when you go to manipulating beeps and boops because those are the buttons you press.)
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I think we have different definitions of what getting involved means. Keyboard midi is a quick workflow and a fantastic way to make your music synapses fire in a good way but it's hardly mandatory. Guitar players can and do get into beep boop programs entirely editing tabs or staffs by mouse and keyboard. At that point if your program forces you into the on screen keyboard, it's not unideal because a keyboard is a great at a glance music theory tool but I also wouldn't call it "knowing keyboard" I think the one thing everyone is agreeing is that a beep boop program is a bad place to learn music from scratch and we're all just quibling on well actually the best way to learn music is xyz
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Apr 6, 2020 21:07
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zedprime posted:I think we have different definitions of what getting involved means. Creating connections and relationships. I just cold messaged a musician who is one of the current break out musicians in the genres I follow here to show how to do it. The guy followed me back. Now if I wanted to do more, I can ask them nicely to take a listen to my demos. If the demos are good that opens more doors. ( I have no interest in playing music again, this was just an example.) And you can maybe get away with just computer drum machines and midi keyboards. A lot of people I have met who are really into this "lofi" beats stuff seem to have almost no music knowledge outside of the interfaces they use. 
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Apr 6, 2020 22:32
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if you get into jazz people pay extra for you to play the wrong notes
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Apr 6, 2020 22:52
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numberoneposter posted:if you get into jazz people pay extra for you to play the wrong notes
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Apr 6, 2020 22:54
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mobby_6kl posted:Or not play at all Lol
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Apr 6, 2020 22:57
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Well i was depressed for a couple days but im back at it,considering doing a masterclass. I actually do have a line6 keyboard and played guitar as a lad.
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Apr 7, 2020 16:41
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Hell yeah. Gettem!
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Great artists don't always make great teachers.
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