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An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

Sure. But seeing as an 'official' arm of her world-building went with they poo poo on the floor I, personally, find it a lot funnier to go with they poo poo on the floor.

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Piell
Sep 3, 2006

Grey Worm's Ken doll-like groin throbbed with the anticipatory pleasure that only a slightly warm and moist piece of lemoncake could offer


Young Orc
To be specific, it isnt actually clear whether they poo poo on the floor or just poo poo their pants robes.

the original tweet posted:

Hogwarts didn't always have bathrooms. Before adopting Muggle plumbing methods in the eighteenth century, witches and wizards simply relieved themselves wherever they stood, and vanished the evidence. #NationalTriviaDay

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'

"Witches poo poo wherever they are, therefore the entire world is a women's bathroom, therefore we must eject trans women from the entire world" --jkr probably

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Lottery of Babylon posted:

"Witches poo poo wherever they are, therefore the entire world is a women's bathroom, therefore we must eject trans women from the entire world" --jkr probably

Genital inspector at each toilet entrance to the ministry

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

There must be a sentient part buried deep within her rotten core of a mind that really wishes she hadn’t dropped that lore nugget to the world. It feels like it was a watershed moment for her online persona, one she never recovered from.

It was her ”slaughtering the Tusken Raiders” moment.

Zombies magazine
Oct 17, 2005

Firmly grasp the :kazooieass:

BigglesSWE posted:

There must be a sentient part buried deep within her rotten core of a mind that really wishes she hadn’t dropped that lore nugget to the world. It feels like it was a watershed moment for her online persona, one she never recovered from.

It was her ”slaughtering the Tusken Raiders” moment.

i think she was already well on her way towards being the bigot she is today but it definitely had a catalyzing effect. she was getting dragged over the coals for the stupid postmortem lore updates and then started getting a ton of positive reinforcement when she began liking/retweeting/posting outright terf poo poo, and it just created a feedback loop

bobjr
Oct 16, 2012

Roose is loose.
🐓🐓🐓✊🪧

I think they changed the bathrooms so installing bathrooms in Hogwarts were a dastardly Gaunt plot to activate the Basilisk, it just didn't work out.

Mx.
Dec 16, 2006

I'm a great fan! When I watch TV I'm always saying "That's political correctness gone mad!"
Why thankyew!


Piell posted:

To be specific, it isnt actually clear whether they poo poo on the floor or just poo poo their pants robes.

some say she thought a lot about wizards making GBS threads their pants leading up to and ever since this tweet

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
Man, her having a background in Greco-Roman history makes her poo poo - no pun intended - even more loving baffling.

So, yeah, I guess she genuinely intends us to think that it's not a case of Wizards having never had access to indoor plumbing, but rather that they either forgot about it or simply consciously chose to deny it until they suddenly remembered that, actually, you don't have to poo poo on the floor like a goddamn animal.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

making GBS threads my robes to own the muggles.

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


checkmate dumbledailures

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

My Immortal once called him "Dumblydumb" which is legit fantastic.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
Besides cooking I forget, are there any examples of House Elves doing skilled labor? Like I'm wondering who all the wizard plumbers and other skilled laborers are. I'd say squibs but I don't think there are nearly enough even with how tiny the Wizard population is. I forget if muggle parents of muggleborns are ever permitted to interact with the wizarding world. Were Hermione's parents unable or unwilling to ever pay a visit?

Like basically who is building homes and installing plumbing?

GimpInBlack
Sep 27, 2012

That's right, kids, take lots of drugs, leave the universe behind, and pilot Enlightenment Voltron out into the cosmos to meet Alien Jesus.

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

Besides cooking I forget, are there any examples of House Elves doing skilled labor? Like I'm wondering who all the wizard plumbers and other skilled laborers are. I'd say squibs but I don't think there are nearly enough even with how tiny the Wizard population is. I forget if muggle parents of muggleborns are ever permitted to interact with the wizarding world. Were Hermione's parents unable or unwilling to ever pay a visit?

Like basically who is building homes and installing plumbing?

Presumably to complement the House Elves there are as-yet-unseen Trades Elves who are absolutely rancid Polish stereotypes.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

Polish immigrants are stereotypically associated with housecleaning here in Sweden, and that’s kind of what house elves seem to be doing in the books so….

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

I don't think Hermione's parents matter ever beyond putting Hermione on the train to Hogwarts. Must have been weird for her to return to her dentist parents with perfect teeth all of a sudden when they never even thought to give her braces.

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

An insane mind posted:

I don't think Hermione's parents matter ever beyond putting Hermione on the train to Hogwarts. Must have been weird for her to return to her dentist parents with perfect teeth all of a sudden when they never even thought to give her braces.

Didn't they relocate to Australia? Does she visit there in school holidays?

Piell
Sep 3, 2006

Grey Worm's Ken doll-like groin throbbed with the anticipatory pleasure that only a slightly warm and moist piece of lemoncake could offer


Young Orc

Runcible Cat posted:

Didn't they relocate to Australia? Does she visit there in school holidays?

Hermione cast a spell to mindwipe them into thinking they never had a daughter, so probably not

bobjr
Oct 16, 2012

Roose is loose.
🐓🐓🐓✊🪧

At one point her parents exchange like 20 bucks for a galleon and Mr. Weasley harasses them about how refrigerators work

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
Also, I have some great opinions.

Piell posted:

Hermione cast a spell to mindwipe them into thinking they never had a daughter, so probably not

Wait, seriously? Jesus that's dark. I realize there's so much in those books I've forgotten.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sausage.

Smellrose
I've never read a Harry Potter book and I feel this was a good decision albeit one made mostly by accident.

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Air Skwirl posted:

Wait, seriously? Jesus that's dark. I realize there's so much in those books I've forgotten.

To clarify: she does this in the last book to protect them from Voldemort’s regime, and ambushes Harry with this fact to prove how committed she is about joining him. She also mentions if they win she will undo the charm, but if they lose at least her parents won’t remember they had a daughter to mourn.

Like it’s dark but not “Hermione mind wiped her parents at some point and doesn’t visit them on school holidays” like is implied above, it’s very much a temporary thing and would be undone if Hermione actually did return to Hogwarts to redo her seventh year.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

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An insane mind posted:

I thought Hermione was Rowling's self-insert so she could mary Ron? Wasn't that also why the Weasley's won a lot of money because she realised 'she' couldn't be married to a poor?

Even if she's a self-insert, Rowling low-key hates Hermione. Think about how often she's set up to look like a dumbass 'smart kid' who's objectively wrong and won't admit it. Granger's a buck-toothed bushy haired insufferable know-it-all. Her whole plotline for a book is that it's unreasonable that she's upset by what she perceives to be making her complicit in slavery, while none of the wizards ever explain that attitude. I've always assumed the character was a take on some girl she went to school with and despised while playing nice to her face.

Much like Alan Rickman completely altered how Snape's viewed, Emma Watson's take on Hermione changed the way readers saw her.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

Liquid Communism posted:

Even if she's a self-insert, Rowling low-key hates Hermione. Think about how often she's set up to look like a dumbass 'smart kid' who's objectively wrong and won't admit it. Granger's a buck-toothed bushy haired insufferable know-it-all. Her whole plotline for a book is that it's unreasonable that she's upset by what she perceives to be making her complicit in slavery, while none of the wizards ever explain that attitude. I've always assumed the character was a take on some girl she went to school with and despised while playing nice to her face.

Much like Alan Rickman completely altered how Snape's viewed, Emma Watson's take on Hermione changed the way readers saw her.

Yeah you're right. Although I guess because I was also 'an insufferable know-it-all who likes books more than people' I always like Hermione, bossiness and all. Although in hindsight it is obvious that Rowling is basically going...women right? every time anyone gets set up to put Hermione down.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
Also, I have some great opinions.
It's sorta funny how Rowling doesn't acknowledge how much she owes those kids. Like, yes, she was already rich by the time they were casting those movies, but she wasn't richer than the British monarchy, and if audiences hadn't liked 10 year old Emma Watson and Rupert Grint and Daniel Radcliffe, maybe there's no Chamber of Secrets, let alone the rest of the movies or the loving theme parks and her Cormarand Strike books maybe still get published, but they aren't being turned into a tv series.

She owes so much to the fact that those kids remained cute and their parents were capable of keeping them away from the worst things that happen to child actors, and when they publicly disagree with her in the most tepid possible ways, as adults who have lived in the world for quite some time, she's just like "those loving ungrateful idiot children."

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

BigglesSWE posted:

My Immortal once called him "Dumblydumb" which is legit fantastic.

Thanks for reminding me of this gem, I'm only really familiar with chapter 17 because of the famous reading from a guy who sounds like glen beck. I still think about him losing his poo poo reading "He wus werring a blak robe dat sed 'avril lavigne' on da back"

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Liquid Communism posted:

Even if she's a self-insert, Rowling low-key hates Hermione. Think about how often she's set up to look like a dumbass 'smart kid' who's objectively wrong and won't admit it. Granger's a buck-toothed bushy haired insufferable know-it-all. Her whole plotline for a book is that it's unreasonable that she's upset by what she perceives to be making her complicit in slavery, while none of the wizards ever explain that attitude. I've always assumed the character was a take on some girl she went to school with and despised while playing nice to her face.

Much like Alan Rickman completely altered how Snape's viewed, Emma Watson's take on Hermione changed the way readers saw her.

I never interpreted her as hating hermione but presenting her in such a way that she's misunderstood; unlikeable yet correct. I feel like JK must have thought of herself that way and used Hermione as a way to show the world how isolated she felt.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Liquid Communism posted:

Even if she's a self-insert, Rowling low-key hates Hermione. Think about how often she's set up to look like a dumbass 'smart kid' who's objectively wrong and won't admit it. Granger's a buck-toothed bushy haired insufferable know-it-all. Her whole plotline for a book is that it's unreasonable that she's upset by what she perceives to be making her complicit in slavery, while none of the wizards ever explain that attitude. I've always assumed the character was a take on some girl she went to school with and despised while playing nice to her face.

Much like Alan Rickman completely altered how Snape's viewed, Emma Watson's take on Hermione changed the way readers saw her.

I'm really not sure this is a positive change. It's pretty well documented at this point that they just took all of Ron's good lines or moments and gave them to Hermione in the movie. The movie makers went out of their way to make her right and perfect in every way possible.

Yes, Book Hermione is not conventionally attractive and is a know-it-all, but these aren't ever presented as bad traits that make her a bad person. Like, in Book 4 when Snape mocks Hermione for getting hit with a spell that made her teeth grow even larger, that poo poo infuriated me so much growing up. And I like Snape and generally found his bullying extremely amusing. But that was so...so plain mean and "real" that it really pissed me off.

NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Oct 6, 2025

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

NikkolasKing posted:

I'm really not sure this is a positive change. It's pretty well documented at this point that they just took all of Ron's good lines or moments and gave them to Hermione in the movie. The movie makers went out of their way to make her right and perfect in every way possible.

Yes, Book Hermione is not conventionally attractive and is a know-it-all, but these aren't ever presented as bad traits that make her a bad person. Like, in Book 4 when Snape mocks Hermione for getting hit with a spell that made her teeth grow even larger, that poo poo infuriated me so much growing up. And I like Snape and generally found his bullying extremely amusing. But that was so...so plain mean and "real" that it really pissed me off.

If there's one thing I'll hand to jk, it's her uncanny ability to depict the bullying experience

Zombies magazine
Oct 17, 2005

Firmly grasp the :kazooieass:

caspergers posted:

If there's one thing I'll hand to jk, it's her uncanny ability to depict the bullying experience

Hm someone should look into this

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

caspergers posted:

Thanks for reminding me of this gem, I'm only really familiar with chapter 17 because of the famous reading from a guy who sounds like glen beck. I still think about him losing his poo poo reading "He wus werring a blak robe dat sed 'avril lavigne' on da back"

My favorite reading of My Immortal appears to have been scrubbed from YouTube, a real shame. The guy added music from the movies and good photo edits of all the cursed language. His delivery of ”Snake and Loopin was in the middle of da Great Hall, doing it, AND DOBBY WAS WATCHING” brought me to actual tears in the middle of a commute.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

NikkolasKing posted:

I'm really not sure this is a positive change. It's pretty well documented at this point that they just took all of Ron's good lines or moments and gave them to Hermione in the movie. The movie makers went out of their way to make her right and perfect in every way possible.

Yes, Book Hermione is not conventionally attractive and is a know-it-all, but these aren't ever presented as bad traits that make her a bad person. Like, in Book 4 when Snape mocks Hermione for getting hit with a spell that made her teeth grow even larger, that poo poo infuriated me so much growing up. And I like Snape and generally found his bullying extremely amusing. But that was so...so plain mean and "real" that it really pissed me off.

I'm not sure it's a positive change either, just that it's one that very much happened.

Snape's 'redemption' is another thing that's never sat well with me. The man was the caricature of a bully for the first four books, to the point that one of his students' worst fear was seeing him, and an utter bastard to Harry at every turn. Not to mention being in charge of the school while the child torturing terrorists were running it, and going along with it.

Even narratively it didn't matter because Rowling botched the landing and made Harry's survival the result of a wildly improbable series of coincidences and wand lore that had never mattered before turning his suicide survivable. Very little if anything Snape did helped.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005

The problem with Snape is that she just kept repeating the same plot over and over again. Is Snape evil this time? No. How about now? Still no.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



muscles like this! posted:

The problem with Snape is that she just kept repeating the same plot over and over again. Is Snape evil this time? No. How about now? Still no.

Eventually: yes (but secretly no)

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

muscles like this! posted:

The problem with Snape is that she just kept repeating the same plot over and over again. Is Snape evil this time? No. How about now? Still no.

I kinda hate how Snape's redemption worked on some people. Yeah yeah sure, he saved the world. But the way he treated Neville is irreconcilable. He's an evil bad person who had a bad crush. The closest you can get to an ethical incel.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

The problem with Snape is that he was in Evil House (tm) so by the rules of the hat that means he could not be good.

Zombies magazine
Oct 17, 2005

Firmly grasp the :kazooieass:

snape's redemption being viewed as fully exonerating by some people is particularly embarrassing since even joanne came out and was like "yeah i mean, he still sucks? he's a :airquote: grey character :airquote:"

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde

Liquid Communism posted:

Even if she's a self-insert, Rowling low-key hates Hermione. Think about how often she's set up to look like a dumbass 'smart kid' who's objectively wrong and won't admit it. Granger's a buck-toothed bushy haired insufferable know-it-all. Her whole plotline for a book is that it's unreasonable that she's upset by what she perceives to be making her complicit in slavery, while none of the wizards ever explain that attitude. I've always assumed the character was a take on some girl she went to school with and despised while playing nice to her face.

Much like Alan Rickman completely altered how Snape's viewed, Emma Watson's take on Hermione changed the way readers saw her.

When she was picking/meeting the movie director, she was so happy his favorite was Hermione, since that's also her favorite. Most people preferred Ron at the time.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

Air Skwirl posted:

It's sorta funny how Rowling doesn't acknowledge how much she owes those kids. Like, yes, she was already rich by the time they were casting those movies, but she wasn't richer than the British monarchy, and if audiences hadn't liked 10 year old Emma Watson and Rupert Grint and Daniel Radcliffe, maybe there's no Chamber of Secrets, let alone the rest of the movies or the loving theme parks and her Cormarand Strike books maybe still get published, but they aren't being turned into a tv series.

She owes so much to the fact that those kids remained cute and their parents were capable of keeping them away from the worst things that happen to child actors, and when they publicly disagree with her in the most tepid possible ways, as adults who have lived in the world for quite some time, she's just like "those loving ungrateful idiot children."

"These kids are too ignorant/ungratefu/brainwashed to make their own decisions, even well into adulthood" tracks for a transphobe.

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caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

An insane mind posted:

The problem with Snape is that he was in Evil House (tm) so by the rules of the hat that means he could not be good.

When I'm feeling contrarian I bitch about the line "There wasn't a witch or wizard who went bad who wasn't in Slytherin" cuz Sirius Black was in Gryffindor

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