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vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

Apparently Tom Riddle’s school days were 1938-1945 and so encompass almost exactly the Second World War and its buildup, and I kind of wish that had been the frame for these DumbleWar movies instead because being a Muggleborn Wizard in the Class of 45 sounds like a trip

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vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

I was impressed they were able to make a not terrible movie out of the fifth book at all, because that one really does just go on forever while the characters justify slavery

vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

stev posted:

They did not

Well, less awful than I was expecting

vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

Gravitas Shortfall posted:

I don't think you can complain about Molly being mad at her kids for stealing a car, no matter how good their intentions. Her kids stole their illegally enchanted car and drove around a Muggle area! That's some serious poo poo! I know my mum would have been livid if I'd stolen the car when I was a teenager.

The other stuff, yeah.

Exactly; if the Muggles had investigated your car, they’d have uncovered the secretive Posting World of Something Awful

vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

Who wouldn’t be scared of a wizarding clown

vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

Someone at Sony’s greatest fear was that children around the world would get a PlayStation ahead of release, and Nintendo’s Wizarding Division released their Boggarts

vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

Their labour is soul-sucking

vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

YaketySass posted:

Alternate timeline where Rowling got really into edgelord atheism instead and keeps posting about how wizards invented all the world's religions by accident. Jesus was a wizard, Muhammad ran into some angel-looking critter, Abraham's sacrifice was the result of a botched Imperius curse, etc.

Whereas in this timeline, they only invented the beliefs of native Americans

vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

juggalo baby coffin posted:

there's a great meta story in harry potter about the way access to extreme magical power has made wizard society stunted and moronic. it's not just bad writing that the wizard world seems like a child's understanding of how a society operates, its just that all the wizards are manchildren whose failures are subsidized by arcane might

Well, again, this is Britain

vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

I mean, again, by accident she created the all-encompassing satire of shitlib/centrist/Western culture.
Focus only on the scary weapons the mass shooters used, not the other widely available weapons used to commit regular murders, or the culture of death and violence that normalizes and promotes such antisocial behavior.

The Death Eaters are straight up one of the most accurate and realistic depictions of modern fascism and extremism, and how liberal societies react to it, ever put to paper and it is so loving goddamn infuriating she did it by accident.

The Wizarding World is a society which is both completely absurd and convinced of its own greatness— even when the enlightened wizards talk about the people outside their borders, it’s with a smug paternalism that clearly doesn’t consider that a non-magic person is really their equal.

It is, on the surface, egalitarian— you should be treated equally, whether you are from a wizarding family or not. But this is only true up to the borders of the Wizarding World: the idea that a non-wizard should be treated with the same kind of equality is not even ludicrous; but barely considered. A Wizard who is reactionary against Hermione because of her muggle background is horrifying; a Wizard who argues that Hermione’s muggle family should share the benefits of the Wizarding World would not even be within the bounds of possible opinion.

And so the entirety of this World becomes based on its border: with policing it, often in horrifying ways, and with keeping those within it separate from those without. When Voldemort rises, it is through an extension of this logic which the Wizarding World is implicitly based on; not a rejection of it. He appears to be a product of this system which the heroes are also all a part of, and by the end of it Harry Potter is happy to wilfully defend it.

And. This is all unintentional, somehow. But I agree it’s a very incisive satire

vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

If there are only about 1,000 young magical people in the British Isles then you presumably don’t actually need to be very good to play Quidditch for England

vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

Asterite34 posted:

D'you think Germ Theory is taught at Hogwarts, or are they still subscribing to the Galenic humors theory of disease? Or possibly airborne demons?

We’re in no position to mock them, Asterite34; us chumps haven’t even discovered fuckin’ magic

vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

The mean spirited culture of the early 2000s is distinct from the sort of resigned bleakness a lot of UK stuff can have; they just combine to make something very grim. A lot of culture from 2000s UK was properly nasty; I was annoyed to be a teenager within it

vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

The way Wizards think of Muggles maps onto how British people think of former colonies to a frightening extent, and I don’t get the sense it’s intentional. Like I legit think you can get a good understanding of how Britain thinks about the Empire just by reading Harry Potter and thinking “The Wizards are the British”

vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

Roko’s Basilisk doesn’t work if you believe in most forms of reincarnation either— if you could be reincarnated as anyone, then you actively do not want to build the Torturebot. You have to believe in reincarnation, except you can only ever reincarnate into copies of yourself

vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

One of the Strike books is apparently over 1,000 pages long; I didn’t know that was even possible for a crime novel

vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

Reading this thread as a Brit really does feel like Bender’s reaction when Fry mistakes Los Angeles for a dystopian future

vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

Liquid Communism posted:

Rowling wasn't creative enough to consider it. Like the whole prophecy is about someone 'born as the 7th month dies', but what calendar is that referring to? Do the forces of Fate bow to the Catholic Church's decision on what the months should be?

It kind of does fit with Latin being the language with magical power

vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

A wizard civil engineer would just transfigure a rubber duck into a suspension bridge or something; skilled labour is an alien concept for them

(It would swim off a few days later, metal snapping with the sound of a quack. The magical press would report on it with a distant amusement. But wizards would rather do that than bother with engineering qualifications. They instinctively know that they must be above such petty things.)

vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

This would be a far, far more interesting place for a fantasy narrative to begin.

Too much trans substantiation

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vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

“Norris” is “Sir Ron” backwards, so she is clearly Ron from the future, where he has been knighted. Filch “misses” this, in a further clue

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