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caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

muscles like this! posted:

I don't know what you're talking about this is a completely different version.


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caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

I wanna know how the TV writers are gonna scramble up a structure for seasons 5 and 6, neither of those books have an actual plot to speak of; well, getting Slughorn's memory I suppose is the main story of Half-Blood Prince but what the hell even is the plot of The Order of the Phoenix? Seriously. Don't tell me it's figuring out the Department of Mysteries because the premise would just be this: Boy has dream

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Lottery of Babylon posted:

Getting Slughorn's memory can't be the main plot of book 6 because Harry just sits around doing nothing for months without even thinking about it. It would be like trying to expand the "Harry should be solving the Egg to prepare for the second task" segment of book 4 to fill an entire season.

Clearly the solution is to do Wizard Degrassi.

Fake edit: i have a knack for sounding pretentious so i have to clarify this is all just my opinion

To me the trouble is that Slughorn's memory is the only thing accelerating the plot; so even if so little time was devoted to it that's SUPPOSED to be the plot of the book*, because while the potions book being Snape's might inform us of his broader character arc, it doesn't inform the plot itself. A lot of the things mentioned happening in 5 and 6 is so disjointed from cohesive story structure that's honestly just stuff happening in succession. Yeah the events in 5 and 6 all pay off by the end of the series, but those two books differ from the rest because books 1 - 4 each have an individual cohesive story structure

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Again, not trying to be pretentious but I feel like it'd be hard to say what 5 or 6 are really about in less than two short sentences, whereas you could easily with 1 - 4. And I'm talking bare bones here, what the A plot of each story is, which again is just easier to identify in 1 -4. Yes all the books tell one longer story but each are obviously meant to have their own self-contained plot.

Now I do remember something about JK Rowling firing her editor or something along those lines, because this would explain some things. Previous editors would know how to structure, and they would work with the author to make it stronger and more identifiable. If this theory is true it's likely Bobby G got frustrated with being told what to do and went for an editor who would just let her do what she wants.

*when I say it's SUPPOSED to be about that is cuz it seems that's what the story WANTS. It's honestly a lot like going to a comedy open mic, you can hear what a comic is trying to say but they lack the structure to make it obvious to the crowd what the joke is about and what punchline wants to be.

I guess my point is Rowling never knew what the gently caress she was doing and this is why we need editors

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

stev posted:

Eh a lot of HBP's plot revolves around the mystery of the murder attempts and what Malfoy's whole deal is. I think it works fine in that sense and you could probably get an ok season of TV out of it.

A lot of the appeal of the books was the feeling of hanging out in Hogwarts, going to lessons etc. You can fill a lot of episodic screen time with the day to day drama of magic schoolkids.

That's true, Malfoy's thru-line is a pretty significant one. And you and Jethro are right tho, even the chapters are episodic in that way. I expect most episodes will even have the same chapter titles

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

JethroMcB posted:

From what I can tell after a quick search, she had the same editor throughout the series. I always assumed it was a case of the editor/publisher getting nervous like halfway through the series, "Ah geez, we've got a worldwide publishing phenomenon on our hands, we're making so much god drat money, we gotta keep this lady happy and don't upset the apple cart." The problem with a lot of authors is they stop producing material; in this case their golden goose was turning in doorstop drafts for a kid's book in a timely fashion so their primary concern was probably to just get it out the door ASAP.

Jo:
Her editor:

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Only less cocaine (?)

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

What is thread's opinion on Jim Dale vs Stephen Fry for audiobooks? Pretty divisive subject

I think Dale has more character range but Fry is a more convincing actor, and that with Dale's whimsical and grandfatherly narration he's most appropriate for books 1 to 4 and Fry, with his dark urgency, is best for 5 to 7.

Random question i know, but I'm curious

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Buttchocks posted:

Both of them spliced together every other word

lol

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

They cast Shane Gillis as Uncle Vernon?

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

JethroMcB posted:

I'm excusing the costume department for a lot of things after seeing Dudley's outfit there

Given our first look that's a slippery slope my friend, we'll be forgiving everything except for robert herself

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

I just realized that's Piers in the wagon with Dudley. drat, they're gonna have fricken everybody including Peeves and Charlie Weasley

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Itd be cool if it were a period piece the way napoleon dynamite was, which evoked the 80s rather than being set in them. Moonboots and glamour shots, sure. Chatting online with babes all day, also sure

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Jazerus posted:

a sudden divorce in the weasley family after mr. weasley is discovered browsing for "hot singles" from his shed

When I revisit the series and they mention Arthur tinkering in the shed, I always picture him building a sex bot

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Set in the 1930s, adult Harry marries his 13 year old cousin who dies one year later from tuberculosis.

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

4 billion BC Hagrid: "You're primordial soup, Harry"

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

BigglesSWE posted:

Oh god shipping fanfiction with Harry and the Dursleys. Its existence is as assured as it’s depravity.

I'm not even betting money it exists because no one will bet that it doesn't

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Wearing nothing but a filthy pillowcase and chastity cage, but you cant be freed until your wife hands you your bull's cumsock

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

BigglesSWE posted:

she’s so in love with him and his God-esque omnipotency.

Rowling announcing on the Today Show that Dumblebore is actually straight and shows a demonstration with her body pillow

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Guy A. Person posted:

Dumbledore grabbing Harry and shaking him: "Harry, did you put your name into the goblet 75 times?!?!"

lmao

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

[Me, bowling] Call me peter pettigrew cuz i just keep on killing spares

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

bobjr posted:

Peter’s new magic hand should have came with some cool new abilities

Comes with hundreds of new features but he only uses it to crank it at lightning speed

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

She also flat out forgot that Donna had a sister

E: nvm I'm thinking of That 70s Show

caspergers fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Jul 24, 2025

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Zombies magazine posted:

pettigrew and lupin are also the last of the marauders, if joanne had a bit of talent those two would have interacted in ANY capacity

Another example of why good editors are needed

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Wingnut Ninja posted:

Doing a Marauders series would require some effort to come up with new material, whereas rehashing the books requires no new creativity.

Also we saw what happened the last time she did a prequel, so we'd probably end up with the Marauders fighting to ensure Wizard Margaret Thatcher comes to power or something.

HBO will order new spinoffs if the reboot is successful

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

stev posted:

Hey now, Lockhart didn't try to kill Harry. He just tried to delete his brain.

That's cuz it's only thing he was good at it, he'd probably butcher the killing curse if he attempted it

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I'm so glad I never read any Harry Potter.

But you're missing out on all the self-loathing

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Hey at least you're not a Percy Jackson adult

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Zombies magazine posted:

Yeah now im just a depressed adult

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

NikkolasKing posted:

Wasn't Rowling okay with Hermione being black or whatever? I don't even remember what this was for, as I've only really read the books. I just remember there was online discourse and the usual manufactured outrage about diversity, yet this was forever ago, I wanna say even before this kind of fake outrage was the norm for everything ever.



There were responses quoting the book where she's descibed as white-faced, blushing or having freckles

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Air Skwirl posted:

I'm trying to remember anything Draco did that was worse than just being an rear end in a top hat.

There was this kid in my school who said, "i hope all the minorities here get loving murdered to death." He's probably doing charity work rn

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Zombies magazine posted:

shocked the goblins havent come up with a magical checking system, just tap a piece of paper saying you're paying 500 galleons to whoever and it just magically appears in someone else's vault at gringotts

Yeah this is kinda similar to how house points work, right?

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

that makes me wonder, do you have tweakers who steal poo poo like they do copper in the muggle world just so they can buy a vial of magic meth? I mean i gues there's mundugus fletcher

e:

caspergers fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Aug 7, 2025

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

come to think of it so was filch. hell, lupin was a user for sure. he never tranformed into a wolf, he just went off to the shrieking shack with his little buddies and inhaled a bunch of gas

and i don't think peeves was a poltergeist at all, he was just real hosed up all the time

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Khanstant posted:

There's gotta be a way to trap a wizard and use them for electricity generation.

Oh this is bleak

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Asterite34 posted:

I think that happened in one of the Shannara books, some pre-Armageddon AI just hooked up a dude to a Matrix chair and just squeezed fireballs out of him into a capacitor until he was a withered husk

Sadly, Harry Potter wizards can just teleport at will, so it's annoyingly hard to contain them unless you are yourself a wizard and can set up an anti-apparation interdiction ward.

Wild, I'm currently reading the final Shannara series. It's better than what he's written since 2003 but not worth reading unless you're a fan. I was obsessed with Terry Brooks in my teens. Also, he picked a successor to keep writing Shannara books after his retirement, but I'm not bothering to look up her name rn

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Khanstant posted:

I know I've read some of those and it has been a really long time but I don't remember there being AI or future tech in them at all lol.

There are robotic spiders in the very first one, but back then Shannara took place in a future that wasn't Earth. It wasn't until after his Word & Void series that he decided to combine the two franchises and Shannara was future Earth.

So after the merge there became more old world tech, but through the natural progression of progress they created their own tech, like flying ships, canons, guns, and in this last series, a giant weather manipulation machine

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Asterite34 posted:

Yeah that was my trashy teen fantasy series of choice too after my dad got me the first one (he was a fan back in the 70s). I think Wishsong was the first time I ever stayed up til 4am to finish a book in a transfixed marathon.

Oh poo poo read Word & Void, it is pulpy on the surface but it's definitely less vapid than Shannara. Honorable mention to Landover

caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

muscles like this! posted:

I always thought it was weird that when they did a Shannara tv series they didn't start with Word & Void and instead just started with the first book which was much more expensive to make.

Eh didnt seem like it enough of a base, also elfstones was one of jon favreau's favorites and that's why he produced. Other than Sword sucking

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caspergers
Oct 1, 2021

Well the trouble with the show was the second season couldn't do Wishsong because the actors had contracts and they had to write new stories for the existing characters. It also makes sense that Sword wasn't adapted first, mostly because a) Eflstones is objectively the best in the series, b) Sword is beat-for-beat LotR, and c) literally one female character and she's doesn't get a lot of page-time

I actually appreciate when adaptations diverge, that way I can see like you said, an alternative version. An adaptation could never ruin its basis, because the basis will always exist as it had before.

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