Scratchman Apoo posted:

Did you guys know that the 4kids dub totally kicked rear end?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX-AX-R0INo&t=658s

NowonSA posted:

So looking at the blind read thread got me thinking. Since Kuina's family seems to have some Wano connections, and a girl who could beat Zoro 2,000 times dying from falling down stairs is lame any way you slice it (Edit: drat you'll never believe me, but this pun was not intended at all), what are the odds that her death was part of a plot by one of the baddies in this Wano arc? Zoro's always been a badass, but I could definitely sign up for him completely losing his poo poo and showing us how close to "a hero cuts up someone into tiny pieces" you can get in a shonen magazine. Oda's shown some wild writing chops, but I personally would be totally okay with him just slapping a simple "killed Kuina for reasons" tag onto one of Kaido's lieutenants and having Zoro cut that person up.

I mean, the full fanservice outcome is that Kuina's death was faked and she shows up Sabo style, but I don't think we'll see that same trick pulled twice.

Dr Subterfuge posted:

To be fair Kuina's death is exactly the kind of thing a cape comic wouldn't be able to leave alone either.

Nuebot posted:

I feel like every arc post-timeskip has been in pretty tight contest for "the worst" in its own right. They've usually got some cool stuff in them, but they're also really brought down hard by meandering pace or really bewildering, off-kilter ideas like;


After Fishman island was Punk Hazard I think? Which has been pretty well addressed in this thread but I wasn't a huge fan of the body swap stuff because outside of its initial comedic reaction it doesn't really do much. Then there's Dressarosa which started off neat and had some cool fights, but really suffered from having so many plothreads just going every which way and its resolution feeling a bit empty. The only one of the major plot arcs post-timeskip that don't have at least one major element that really beat it down for me would probably be whole cake which I remember enjoying pretty thoroughly from start to finish.

Jose posted:

Just casually walking over and pushing the zombie back into the ground is my favourite op joke

ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:

I want the Door Door Fruit.

It's boring but it's super effective.

Strelok604 posted:

We can all agree that Robin's best outfit was her Thriller Bark one at least

Julias posted:

Worse, because you get less music.

There were some pretty good EDs too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azVfXTBO9II

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phPdJyLnXuc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM9E1NCRdgM

Brother Entropy posted:

brand new world, jungle p, and hope all rule

Shugojin posted:

I don't think so. We have been TOLD that you die.

AkumaHokoru posted:

eah? they botched it?

RuBisCO posted:

You check it out yourself just pencil in a quick <checks notes> two and a half hours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAxWwqvwBkA

MonsterEnvy posted:

This is not established. Kaido is stated to be the strongest creature vs Whitebeard's Man.

Also Oden was not close to killing him, he just got a few decent shots in.

MonsterEnvy posted:

I just reread the chapter and this is not true. Oden got his one good shot off on Kaido started charging him, was distracted, then taken out by Kaido. He was never about to kill him.

MonsterEnvy posted:

That was his body not neck. And Kaido returned to human form right away. There is a good chance Oden's attack would have missed even if he was not distracted. The fight would have just been longer.

Ubiquitus posted:

There's a big difference between some mook having an awakened fruit and an emperor.

We all know how stupid broken foxy's fruit was, but literally still can't win a fight

Beef Jerky Robot posted:

As far as I can tell all the animation budget for Wano has gone into making Zoro look cool, and that’s a real positive.

Last Celebration posted:

Honestly my question is how the gently caress Baroque Works got their hands on a gun dog, like Funkfreed makes sense insofar as Vegapunk works for the marines, and Ceaser used to work with Vegapunk too and can manipulate gas so Smiley makes sense too, but gun dog?

Also one of my biggest letdowns in this entire series is that Zoro never got an adorable pet sword elephant

oddium posted:

anyone else ever wonder why queen has a normal dinosaur arm here



but not here

Eiba posted:

Alright, I'll give this a go. I dropped off at the timeskip after being disgusted at how badly the Whitebeard War was handled, but I like being able to picture these characters in motion, and especially hear their voices. I basically have no idea what Jinbei is supposed to sound like.

[one day later]

Fishman island sucks. Christ. Like, the flashback is good, and it's kind of funny that the Strawhats do a coup by accident as the result of a misunderstanding, but literally everything else is dumb and makes no sense and is bad. Everything.

Two really petty dumb things:
1) Hody makes everyone walk on fumi-e of queen Otohime. Disrespecting her memory by walking on her image, right? Nearly half the population doesn't have feet. Are the merfolk showing enough disrespect by floating over the picture?

2) Van der Decken. First, literally everything about his character is terrible. But accepting him on his own terms- he's introduced as wanting to marry Shirahoshi because he's a creep. But it turns out that he's actually one of the only ones who recognizes Shirahoshi is a weapon, and wants to harness her power to fulfill his family dream of... accruing riches... by marrying her. Okay. A terrible mix of boring and creepy, but okay. Technically makes sense. But then when Shirahoshi says he's "not her type," he wants to kill her because of his heartache is too painful or some poo poo. But like... his desire to actually marry her has already been established as a sham. What the gently caress is he talking about. Is he trying to make sure her power doesn't fall into anyone else's hands? It's never explained. He says he's happy to destroy Fishman island with the big boat... because he's comically sad about an obvious rejection.

Van der Decken and Hody are the villains, but one is just... literally dumb, and the other, Hody, the story goes out of its way to disconnect from the emotional heart of the story. Like even before the anime apparently messed it up, the interesting principle he represents is generational hatred- someone who hates without having experienced the cycle of violence first hand. But like, even if that was pulled off perfectly it's real bad because fishmen are still treated terribly, and Hody justifiably knows his history, even if he didn't personally interact with humans. It's just an incoherent message no matter how you parse it, so Hody just goes crazy and is a hyper-rear end in a top hat for no reason to clarify the morality of the situation. And everyone who follows him is totally on board with that, which means none of them can have coherent motivations either.

I think at the time I gave it the benefit of the doubt, and looking back I mainly remembered the amazing flashback. I have actaully reread it recently, but I guess I just skimmed all of Hody's dialog. And all of Hody's underling's dialog. Having it all drone on and on and on in anime form really emphasizes just how much of that arc was a loving waste of time.

And I haven't even talked about Sanji. And I won't.

Though I will say, I did notice that his disgusting bigotry towards okama is clearly shown as a personal hangup. Ussop is confused and thinks Sanji is being rude when he refuses to thank the okama who saved his life with a blood transfusion. Okama are just another kind of people to most people. Sanji's the only one who's disgusting. But christ is he gross.

Sub Harrison posted:

I liked it when Hody got completely jobbed by Zoro, then got a huge power up just so he could be jobbed by Luffy. But yeah FI's sole purpose was to establish Jinbei as a strawhat, plus some world building for the Celestial Dragons and to foreshadow the fishmen as part of the Raftel prophecy (which was all really good imo). Hody and friends only existed for the Strawhats to flex their post-timeskip training and to add some gags after the flashback sadness.

ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:

It makes the reveal of Roger's reaction all the more impactful.

Bleck posted:

is "ugh fishman island bad" the new "ugh dressrosa bad" which is to say "it's fine and good if you consider the story outside of the context of weekly updates"

Bleck posted:

this is probably the fifth or sixth time I've said this in this thread but it's baffling how many people post in the One Piece thread who, apparently, don't like One Piece

Rohan Kishibe posted:

Dressrosa has bad bits, more towards the end, but it also has a lot of awesome poo poo like everyone involved in the colosseum, Senor Pink, God Ussop, the Strawhat Fleet. Same with Punk Hazard. It's not the strongest arc, but Vergo and Monet are cool. Some great jokes with the swapped bodies. Law cutting the mountain in half is awesome.

I like One Piece.

I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:

Bleck you're good people

I get the complains and it's fairly obvious Oda hit a bit of a slump post Paramount War. Tho let's be honest; it would be very hard for any writer to follow up that kind of build up and emotional payoff

Dressrosa is the new Skypeia; it was 5 years ago fam let it go

TheLoneStar posted:

I wish Franky got more fights. He's essentially gotten two despite being introduced well over a decade ago. I'm dubious on counting him and Luffy since it stopped as soon as it began, or on Fish-Man Island because it was so one-sided it was barely even a fight. I feel weird counting any of those fights with the Straw Hats as true fights except Luffy vs. Hordy because for everyone else they just danced around their opponents and took them out without breaking a sweat.

Bleck posted:

Carpator Diei posted:

Having only watched the anime back in the day, Skypiea's anime version certainly profited from being sandwiched between two dense clusters of filler arcs, plus the painfully-elongated Davy Back fight. The latter in particular felt like such a low point to me that everything before and after was lifted up somewhat; I was honestly surprised to learn that the Davy Back stuff wasn't entirely anime filler.

Fake edit: Looking it up on the wiki, it's even worse than I remembered: The filler parts between Alabasta and Jaya take up episodes 131-143, and the filler plus honorary filler (Davy Back fight) after Skypiea encompasses all of episodes 196-226. I stopped watching after Enies Lobby; has there ever been a more dire time for the anime than the stretch between Skypiea and Water 7?

Julias posted:

He peeped on the public bathouse while invisible and stayed in the prostitute building while nami and carrot got chased by Big Mom. He's still trash.

Bleck posted:

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Meme Emulator posted:

The fact that every named character is morally upright and heroic says everything you need to know. Hes singing the right tune, its just off key when he starts throwing jokes around. Like, if there were actual malicious intent behind the newkamas they would have been portrayed some way other than Luffys staunch allies. If there was malicious intent behind Bon Clay, he would have remained a villain and never redeemed himself and become one of the most loved non strawhats in the series. Intent matters a lot to me, even a fuckup with good intentions is still capable of listening and adjusting.

Rather than contradicting himself, its not so crazy to think he just made a misstep. Like Im even loath to say "missteps", the only poor representation is during the Kamabakka Kingdom which is like, what, a few pages in two chapters and two cover pages? Its not even a reoccuring problem, which goes back to that listening and adjusting.

Plus, hes actually tried. Who else running in Shounen Jump has ever even given a sliver of the spotlight to any queer characters? It seems like critism in that case just gets amplified, since Oda is the center of attention in the discussion, even though hes the only one making an attempt at positive representation in the first place.

Bleck posted:

that post was to highlight someone saying "good faith does not mean benefit of the doubt" and the person responding to it with "I know that and it's actually that you're misunderstanding me, when I said good faith I just meant benefit of the doubt"

anyway saying "the culture is misogynist" is not a salient point and if you want people to stop misinterpreting it as condoning said misogyny then maybe just literally stop saying it and expecting any different

or I guess everyone else in the thread can put on their serious caps and Vaguely Acknowledge That The Bad Thing Exists for everyone's benefit(?)

TheLoneStar posted:

Giraffes can kill, even decapitate, fully grown lions with a single kick.

tbp posted:

right, i get that in universe they function that way. i am saying that as something that the author had an option to create, they were a poor idea, because they do not make for good in universe mechanics (at least in the way that he has decided to use them by and large)