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Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006


AlexanderCA posted:

There's some of "electing biden will just lead to a worse trump winning in 2024" argument I've seen around the forums. And I just wonder how anyone in the year 2020 and a global once in a century pandemic can feel they can predict politics 4 years out to inform their vote today.

Seriously please do everything to not elect Trump. Just the Paris agreement withdrawal is huge to the rest of us who dont get a vote. I'd like my country not to be submerged for instance.

Because the conditions that existed which elected Trump will still exist after 4 years of a potential Joe Biden presidency. We can't address them because that means possibly admitting that eight years of Democrat Jesus before hand was actually a disaster in terms of materially improving the lives of anyone except the rich.

Trump was just the first person to grab bottle of crazy and take the top completely off, and he won't be the last. 2016 happened. The Obama legacy was firmly rejected. We need to accept that and move on from it and stop trying in vain to pretend none of this occurred.

Proud Christian Mom fucked around with this message at 20:56 on May 9, 2020

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PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020



In 2008 Joe Biden admitted to being arrested for trespassing into an women's dormitory while in college.

https://twitter.com/DavidAgStone/st...965600434417664

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011



Via social media, I see my conservative suburban occasional swing voter friend and his friends are talking themselves into believing joe Biden is a far left radical. Even though this exact thing happened with Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and the other Clinton when they ran as moderates, why exactly did people think this wouldn't happen to Biden?

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




Fun Shoe

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/...0318179328?s=19

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008




Buglord

Best Friends posted:

Via social media, I see my conservative suburban occasional swing voter friend and his friends are talking themselves into believing joe Biden is a far left radical. Even though this exact thing happened with Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and the other Clinton when they ran as moderates, why exactly did people think this wouldn't happen to Biden?

It's gonna really own when right wing media starts blasting this 24/7, and he pulls even further to the right to show that he's not a socialist. We can't risk spooking the precious "moderate" voters, after all! That's just good politics.

Fister Roboto fucked around with this message at 00:03 on May 15, 2020

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020



Best Friends posted:

Via social media, I see my conservative suburban occasional swing voter friend and his friends are talking themselves into believing joe Biden is a far left radical. Even though this exact thing happened with Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and the other Clinton when they ran as moderates, why exactly did people think this wouldn't happen to Biden?

This is why the argument that Bernie would lose because he'd be called a communist doesn't hold water. Any Democratic candidate is going to be called a communist, why not go as hard as you can?

Also, premiering tomorrow night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2XrCdnSrC4

https://medium.com/@0rf/bernie-blac...20-dfa3798e1b5c

PeterCat fucked around with this message at 02:13 on May 15, 2020

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008



https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/...5158351876?s=20

Great messaging Joe!

Knives Amilli
Sep 26, 2014


PeterCat posted:

This is why the argument that Bernie would lose because he'd be called a communist doesn't hold water. Any Democratic candidate is going to be called a communist, why not go as hard as you can?

Also, premiering tomorrow night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2XrCdnSrC4

https://medium.com/@0rf/bernie-blac...20-dfa3798e1b5c

Skepticism of Leftist stances among a base that traditionally votes Dem, is real poo poo.

I can tell that my folks (older, college educated 60 year old African Americans from the South) who have voted Dem their entire life werent sold on Bernie, due to the "Socialism" thing.

Hell a lot of young Black folks are also skeptical of Socialism/Communist stances because they feel the core idea of "A rising tide raises all boats" is perpetuating a race neutral idea of Social Improvement that will ignore the individual issues that plague Black folks or outright meet them with contempt when coming to the table.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008




Buglord


Welp that makes things easy. No more trying to shame people into voting for him, right? The man himself said I shouldn't vote for him.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




Fun Shoe

Classic Dem. Why wait for the GOP ads to start muckraking when you can just do it yourself?

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 17 hours!


I mean I don't know what else he could say there

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006


Knives Amilli posted:

Skepticism of Leftist stances among a base that traditionally votes Dem, is real poo poo.

I can tell that my folks (older, college educated 60 year old African Americans from the South) who have voted Dem their entire life werent sold on Bernie, due to the "Socialism" thing.

Hell a lot of young Black folks are also skeptical of Socialism/Communist stances because they feel the core idea of "A rising tide raises all boats" is perpetuating a race neutral idea of Social Improvement that will ignore the individual issues that plague Black folks or outright meet them with contempt when coming to the table.

Because that traditional voter base is conservative as all hell. Sanders support among the youth, particularly African-Americans outstripped everyone else by wide margins. I'm not even sure how you confuse "A rising tide raises all boats" with anything relating to socialism/communism since its been the right wing economic mantra that we've been telling ourselves for 40 years to justify massive tax cuts to the wealthy.

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020




I'm glad Joe is making it easy for me.

Also, apparently Joe doesn't like Hispanics.

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-campai...ewer&soc_trk=tw

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS


Ah yes, the forever nemesis: Cuba

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1261403984100818944

Patware
Jan 3, 2005



which political prisoners

it's been so long since someone said a non-jingoistic fact about cuba i have no idea what's going on there anymore

what is real

what is fake

i'm gonna walk back into the sea, the truth lies within the infinite waves

iwentdoodie
Apr 29, 2005

YOU'RE WELCOME




Old white people hate Cuba, see them as a massive enemy to this day, and will still pay hundreds of dollars for a cuban cigar that they will smoke while saying anyone who uses a reefer should be arrested because its illegal.

A Bad Poster
Sep 25, 2006
Seriously, shut the fuck up.



iwentdoodie posted:

Old white people hate Cuba, see them as a massive enemy to this day, and will still pay hundreds of dollars for a cuban cigar that they will smoke while saying anyone who uses a reefer should be arrested because its illegal.

I got a Cuban cigar in Canada for the novelty.

Guess what, it was a cigar.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

There's only one prescription for Nazism and it's 76mm HVAP


Ultra Carp

Patware posted:

which political prisoners

it's been so long since someone said a non-jingoistic fact about cuba i have no idea what's going on there anymore

what is real

what is fake

i'm gonna walk back into the sea, the truth lies within the infinite waves

Decided to look it up, from Human Rights Watch:

quote:

In May 2018, the Cuban Commission for Human Rights reported that Cuba was holding 120 political prisoners, including more than 40 members of the Cuban Patriotic Union. The government denies independent human rights groups access to its prisons. The groups believe that additional political prisoners, whose cases they have been unable to document, remain locked up.

Cubans who criticize the government continue to face the threat of criminal prosecution. They do not benefit from due process guarantees, such as the right to fair and public hearings by a competent and impartial tribunal. In practice, courts are subordinate to the executive and legislative branches, denying meaningful judicial independence.

Fr. Eduardo Cardet Concepción, leader of the Christian Liberation Movement, remained in prison at time of writing. Cardet, who had been threatened with jail because of his support for the “One Cuban, One Vote” campaign, was sentenced to three years in prison on March 2017. As of August 2018, he was being held in solitary confinement, and denied visits and any contact with family members, even by phone. Authorities argued that family visits were not “contributing to his re-education.”

In May, Dr. Ruíz Urquiola, a former biology professor and an outspoken environmentalist, was sentenced to a year in prison for disrespecting a park ranger. During his imprisonment he went on a hunger strike. In July 2018, he was granted a conditional release for health reasons. In August 2018, he reported irregularities in the handling of his case, and the imposition of travel restrictions.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008




Buglord

https://twitter.com/MariannaNBCNews...460708245180425

Trump is never going to recover from this savage attack.

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

I'm too dumb to get probated


Wow, first Slay Bae Nancy calls him fat, now this? Surely Republicans will realize they followed a charlatan now!

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006


Have you considered not attending the Captain's Career Course?


It's not any better or worse than anything Trump uses. Trump just has a cult that willingly accepts anything he says.

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

Patware posted:

which political prisoners

it's been so long since someone said a non-jingoistic fact about cuba i have no idea what's going on there anymore

what is real

what is fake

i'm gonna walk back into the sea, the truth lies within the infinite waves

Too far from a sea, I'll hit one of the local flooded rivers

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006


https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/statu...6337525762?s=20

yes, its real.

those palestinians are no angels

A Bad Poster
Sep 25, 2006
Seriously, shut the fuck up.




One of the major factors in Obama picking Biden as his VP was to settle the Israel lobby's unease about him as a candidate. This is no surprise to anyone who has paid attention to Biden's career.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?


BDS is pretty unpopular with both parties for some strange reason. I don't actually know much about the group, but that wording is unsurprisingly problematic regardless.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008




Buglord

Yeah, that paired with his previous statement of "criticism of Israel isn't antisemitic, except when it's from the left" is some poo poo.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

There's only one prescription for Nazism and it's 76mm HVAP


Ultra Carp

no no he's right, it's about time the Palestinians face some consequences for daring to be alive

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008



"Palestinians? Never heard of them. Just Jordanians living in the lands of Judea and Samaria."

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 27, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM


Pillbug

So yeah, this has pushed me from “grudgingly pulling the lever for Biden” to “writing in gently caress Biden at the top and focusing on actual progressives downticket.”* I just can’t even pretend there’s something I like about this fucker beyond him being Not Trump.

*I live in DC so my vote doesn’t mean jack poo poo anyways

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




Fun Shoe

https://twitter.com/eoinhiggins_/st...5235102721?s=21

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011



In case there was any doubt, we're keeping most of the Trump / Ryan tax cuts

https://twitter.com/byheatherlong/s...7418081283?s=21

The very essence of the modern Dem mind is thinking someone making $350k a year is middle class

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 17 hours!


we shouldn't even start tax brackets until 100k

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008




Buglord


haha what a piece of poo poo

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008




Buglord

https://twitter.com/gzornick/status/1263815104388358152

"The most progressive Democratic platform ever"

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

THERE WILL BE REPERCUSSIONS! NOTHING CAN EVER BE THE SAME AGAIN!


I was doing some research for something else, and I found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_B...ock_controversy

Did you know Biden ran for president back in 1988?

Did you also know his campaign ended after he got caught plagiarizing speeches from a British politician, and made up a bunch of stuff saying that he was a civil rights protester?

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006


BigDave posted:

I was doing some research for something else, and I found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_B...ock_controversy

Did you know Biden ran for president back in 1988?

Did you also know his campaign ended after he got caught plagiarizing speeches from a British politician, and made up a bunch of stuff saying that he was a civil rights protester?

time is a flat circle

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008




Buglord

BigDave posted:

I was doing some research for something else, and I found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_B...ock_controversy

Did you know Biden ran for president back in 1988?

Did you also know his campaign ended after he got caught plagiarizing speeches from a British politician, and made up a bunch of stuff saying that he was a civil rights protester?

And that's why we can trust him when he says he's going to implement all kinds of progressive policies.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005



you hate to see it, folks

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump...ingawful.com%2F

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011



Fister Roboto posted:

And that's why we can trust him when he says he's going to implement all kinds of progressive policies.

To be fair, he very rarely says that anyway. Most of the "he'll be FDR v2 honest" stuff comes from advisors, when those advisors aren't busy with a board meeting at Citi or whatnot.

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Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

There's only one prescription for Nazism and it's 76mm HVAP


Ultra Carp

BigDave posted:

I was doing some research for something else, and I found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_B...ock_controversy

Did you know Biden ran for president back in 1988?

Did you also know his campaign ended after he got caught plagiarizing speeches from a British politician, and made up a bunch of stuff saying that he was a civil rights protester?

Weirdly enough I knew this because my mom would occasionally bring it up on the rare occasion Biden was relevant to the conversation as I was growing up.

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