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The thing I'm really looking forward to is Trump calling Biden a rapist, and all the idiots who have learned absolutely nothing from the last four years going "hmm, hypocrite much? gotcha".
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pantslesswithwolves posted:It’s a loving lonely world for someone who despises the Republicans for being evil, hates the Democrats for being incompetent, and detests the Greens for being caricatures of a leftist party. Also lol Libertarians It kind of feels like our representative democracy has decayed to the point that it no longer represents anyone but people with lots of money.
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Best Friends posted:https://twitter.com/joncampbellgan/status/1254804558649401345?s=21 https://www.coloradodems.org/2020-presidential-primary-results/ Colorado is doing the same thing but retroactively. Now Biden is the winner in CO and Sanders gets zero delegates, despite having only suspended his campaign while remaining on the ballot. Apparently this is a recent change, because back in 08, Clinton got to keep all her delegates when she suspended. Extremely cool democracy we have here.
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Best Friends posted:Bernie made himself open to this by dropping out, but even given that it feels both unfair and unnecessary. The left capitulated to the center and now the center is shutting them out. What adds to the sting is all this happening while Schumer and Pelosi go "gee whiz, McConnell beat us again, shucks." It seems the dem apparatus is actually just fine at playing hardball, when they actually care about something. The Democrats and Republicans are on the same team. They're playing good cop/bad cop with us.
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Hey wouldn't it be funny if the reason they're cancelling future primaries and awarding Biden all the delegates from previous ones, is so that they can give Biden the boot over the sexual assault allegations, and then say "whoops, looks like nobody else has any delegates, we'll just have to hand pick a candidate"? I think that would be hilarious. Perhaps even "hillaryous".
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If the last five years haven't taught you to always expect the worst, dumbest possible outcome, I don't know what to say.
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I really don't loving care about your constant scolding.
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Apr 28, 2020 20:09
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Chichevache posted:ICanDishItOutButICantTakeIt.docx Go cry to a mod about it.
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Patware posted:sadposting This is exactly how I feel. I obviously don't want Trump to win, but Biden winning would be a nightmare of its own too. It feels like being given the choice between having your head cut off, or having both your arms and legs cut off. Like yeah the latter is ~*objectively*~ the better choice, but it's not one I'd want to make, and drat whoever is forcing me to make it. I genuinely don't know what I'm going to do in November. Fortunately I have six long months of doubt and uncertainty to make that decision. But mostly I'm just sick of the serious, rational people telling me that the serious, mature, rational decision is to vote for the warmongering rapist who told people to go out and vote for him during a plague. Just keep trusting the system that's obviously broken! I'm sick of expressing these fears and doubts and being met with hostility instead of empathy. I'm also worried about the Never Trumpers who might actually show up to vote for Biden, but still vote straight R on the rest of the ticket. That seems like a path to really bad things.
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https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1255941475990417408 McConnell is going to run circles around this gullible idiot.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1256941212600320000?s=20 This is why I have zero faith that Biden will be better than Trump. His campaign is actively pandering to Republicans who agree with Trump on everything but his demeanor.
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It's not that Trump isn't bad. The problem is that Biden is not good enough. Not good enough to fix the problems that Trump has created, not good enough to prevent the conditions that gave rise to Trump in the first place. In four years we will be faced with this exact same dilemma - a popular right wing demagogue vs. a spineless corporate stooge. One who promises to fix things by scapegoating minorities vs. one who promises not to change anything. And no matter how bad the D guy is, we'll get the exact same argument: "but the other guy is so much worse, how could you even think of not voting for our guy!" At this point it's blatant that the Democratic party is exploiting people's misery - all those horrible things you listed - to make sure that they don't have to ever run a candidate who will actually change anything. Like I said, they're playing good cop/bad cop with us. So I'm not going to play anymore. Fortunately, voting for the president is far from the only way to affect change.
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Hypothetical question time: if the choice was between someone identical to Trump and someone worse than Trump, what would you do? Would you still vote for the lesser of two evils? Or would you put your foot down and refuse to give legitimacy to this obvious sham of democracy? Better start thinking of your answer, because that scenario is going to get less and less hypothetical as time goes on.
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May 4, 2020 18:58
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Godholio posted:You recognize that fighting for your party at the presidential level is a waste of time. You try to mitigate the damage there, while voting in the downticket races so that in 10 years when the boomers are out of office, the governorships and senatorial/representatives seats are filled with people who aren't actual monsters, because the people in THOSE seats will be the viable candidates down the road. They can be yours or they can be more of the same. The question was about the presidential election. As a reminder, nobody has suggested not voting entirely. Just not voting for Biden. If you're going to say that the presidential election is a lost cause, then why bother at all though? You can say it mitigates the damage, but if you're always voting for the lesser of two evils then you're not actually doing that. You're just giving legitimacy to a horrible electoral strategy that will only result in ratcheting to the right. Also we've seen that the Democratic party and the media have the power to magically turn an absolute joke of a candidate into the front runner overnight. It's not a matter of getting good people into position to run when Obama can just make a few phonecalls and suddenly everyone is dropping out to endorse Mitt Romney (D). Fister Roboto fucked around with this message at 19:55 on May 4, 2020 |
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May 4, 2020 19:51
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M460 and carbon neutral by 2050 are insultingly inadequate proposals, but putting that aside, how likely do you think it is that Biden will get any of that poo poo done? Keep in mind that he's a known liar, and also he's expressed on multiple occasions a naive willingness to try to cooperate with Republicans. I think that at best we will get a watered down version of these already inadequate proposals, and ones that the Republicans can immediately roll back.
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Best Friends posted:Ugh. Speaking of: Haha, remember 1000 years ago when everyone was convinced that Bernie Sanders was a hateful misogynist based on her word alone? Good times.
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Yeah, they couldn't have rallied around someone like Butt or Klob because they knew that the center-right voters they're trying to attract would never vote for a gay man or a woman. So instead we get Creepy Uncle Joe. They're just constantly shooting themselves in the foot with this strategy.
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His angle is airing his weird grudge against CSPAM and twitter, apparently.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:But I think among the establishment, there was a real fear that Sanders would push away the moderate suburban districts that had been key to winning the House in 2018, and the polling showed they weren't entirely wrong. Couldn't they just bully them into voting for Sanders, because he's the lesser of two evils? Or does that only work on leftists?
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Acebuckeye13 posted:unfortunately there's just not as many of them on twitter so we'll never know I know you're right about this. I just hate this lopsided dichotomy where wishy-washy centrists need to be coddled because even a hint of anything leftish will startle them and that's A-OK, but for leftists it's a moral imperative to vote for someone who doesn't even represent them.
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AlexanderCA posted:Seriously please do everything to not elect Trump. Just to be clear, does this extend beyond just shaming people on the internet for not voting for Biden? Are you going to contribute money to his campaign? Are you ready to canvas and phonebank for Biden? Are you ready to tell people irl that they need to vote for him even if they think he's extremely lovely? Getting a candidate elected takes a whole lot more than just voting. Because I just don't see that happening. The rallying cry for the Biden campaign seems to begin and end at "well I don't really like him but we gotta get Trump out". A lot of people are going to say we need to do everything we can to get Trump out, but won't actually do "everything".
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It's really simple. People are suffering from very real problems right now. Biden is promising to do very little to help them, and will end up doing next to nothing while in power, for one reason or another. Hell, he could probably make things worse with austerity measures. Whoever the Republican candidate is in 2024 will promise to "fix" these problems by pinning them on a scapegoat - probably immigrants again, maybe China, but who knows in four years. And he will win. This is why it's imperative for Biden to do more than the anemic proposals he's made so far. This is why people are ringing the alarm bell. Weak liberalism inevitably leads to fascism.
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You're going to have to ask CSPAM that then, because I don't post there and I certainly don't represent them. And besides, we're talking about a hypothetical scenario where he has already won. He's going to have to do some drat legendary progressive work to get people to vote for the next Democrat rather than a fascist Republican. Given his track record of both lying and supporting conservative policies, I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Best Friends posted:Via social media, I see my conservative suburban occasional swing voter friend and his friends are talking themselves into believing joe Biden is a far left radical. Even though this exact thing happened with Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and the other Clinton when they ran as moderates, why exactly did people think this wouldn't happen to Biden? It's gonna really own when right wing media starts blasting this 24/7, and he pulls even further to the right to show that he's not a socialist. We can't risk spooking the precious "moderate" voters, after all! That's just good politics. Fister Roboto fucked around with this message at 01:03 on May 15, 2020 |
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1261122155158351876?s=20 Welp that makes things easy. No more trying to shame people into voting for him, right? The man himself said I shouldn't vote for him.
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https://twitter.com/MariannaNBCNews/status/1262460708245180425 Trump is never going to recover from this savage attack.
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Yeah, that paired with his previous statement of "criticism of Israel isn't antisemitic, except when it's from the left" is some  poo poo.
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https://twitter.com/gzornick/status/1263815104388358152 "The most progressive Democratic platform ever"
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BigDave posted:I was doing some research for something else, and I found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_1988_presidential_campaign#Kinnock_controversy And that's why we can trust him when he says he's going to implement all kinds of progressive policies.
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Patware posted:all this poo poo and i'm still pessimistic about biden's chances I always come back to the same thought - even if he does win, he's not going to do a drat thing to fix the things that people are rioting about. And having a Democrat in charge will make it easier for comfortable liberals to sweep those problems under the rug. So yeah, given what we're seeing right now, I no longer have any doubt that Biden would be worse than Trump.
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Patware posted:what do you think a centrist is People who say things like this: Godholio posted:Anyone to the right of Lenin.
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The issue is that "not demonizing the rich" means "don't take a single penny from them ever". If you don't understand that then you really haven't been paying attention.
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I stand by what I said. These protests would not have nearly as much popular support if a Democrat was president (see: the Ferguson protests under Obama). Biden and the people who support him just want to go back to "normal" and that means ignoring the massive systemic issues in our country.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:This constant argument of almost-equivalency is breaking my brain. Buddy, I hate to break it to you, but there are a lot of people who have been making GBS threads in the bed beside Trump - he's just the one who's been bragging about it. The guy you're telling us to vote for is one of the bed shitters. We tried nominating the guy who was going to maybe possibly begin the long arduous process of cleaning the bed, but we were told that that was too radical, that we need to keep letting some people poo poo in the bed. The fact that you think that this bed making GBS threads was something that only started under Trump is *exactly* why I'm so worried about a Biden presidency - people like you are just going to go back to pretending like the problems don't exist. Also a lot of people's votes are completely irrelevant thanks to our hosed up electoral system. My presidential vote means literally nothing because of where I live. So can you maybe chill the gently caress out a little and stop blaming people for something that they didn't cause? If you're this concerned about the election (and I'm not going to tell you that shouldn't be), there are a lot of things that you can do to help, even as a non-American, that are way more effective than yelling at people on the internet. Seriously, I really hope that the people who are yelling at people to vote for Biden are planning to put some actual work in to getting him elected. He's going to need it. Fister Roboto fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Jun 16, 2020 |
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jfc dude Literally all I want is some basic loving concessions to the left from Biden. Not just for myself, but for others, to help improve their material conditions so that maybe *just maybe* we can stem this rising tide of fascism - something that's not going to just magically go away when Trump leaves office. You know what the best way to *not* get those concessions is? To promise that you'll vote for Biden no matter what. People keep saying "oh we can move Biden to the left", but how do you plan to do that? Ask pretty please with sugar on top? No, you have to put pressure on the Democrats by letting them know that they might lose your vote. Otherwise what reason do they have to change anything? But you're here telling me that it's my civic duty to vote for Biden no matter what. And you're gonna be telling me the exact same thing in 2024, and again in 2028, and again until the world ends. We're always going to be faced with some fascist monster, and our only other option is always going to be some center-right shithead, and you're always going to be telling us that we need to fall in line and give up the glimmer of a hope of breaking this hosed up cycle just so we can stave off the bad guy for four more years.
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Also I'm serious about getting to work. If all people plan to do is vote and yell at people online for not voting, then Trump is definitely going to win again. Get out there and start convincing people to vote for him.
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BigDave posted:It's worth mentioning that Kamala Harris literally grew up in and is still technically a member of a weird rear end cult. I thought that was Tulsi Gabbard.
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