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You can use a camera phone if you are happy with the quality of the pictures they take. That said even the xf10 takes much higher quality pictures than cellphone cameras (and a step above the rx100 series too). The question is whether it matters for what you want to do with your images. I shoot primarily on a gr iii, which I got refurbished from ricoh for $600. They don't have any right now, but here is the deal page. They get stock in periodically. The autofocus definitely isn't class leading, but I have heard complaints of the xf10's autofocus performance as well. Optically the only big problem is terrible vignetting. It isn't a camera for everyone, but I really love the images. Crops at 35mm/50mm equivalent are also very usable, so it isn't that limiting. There are many older generation fixed lens 28mm premium compacts on the used market too: fuji x70, ricoh gr i/ii, coolpix a. You shouldn't trust anything you read from ken rockwell. That review is also of the gr (not gr iii), which is pretty much the same as the gr ii. My actual recommendation is a used fuji x100s/t/f. A fixed lens, fixed screen, no evf compact is a pretty niche thing, you'll probably find the evf/ovf experience more enjoyable. The update to the x100v was a big one, but I'm not sure if I would spend the money right out of the gate. And if you buy used you can always sell and upgrade without losing much, if you do decide it is right for you. I would personally prefer a compact to a smaller body and lens, if I wasn't changing lenses. Besides being pocketable, a big advantage for me a is a high shutter sync speeds, so you can use a flash even while shooting wide open in bright sun.
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You could probably get a gently used X100F for under a grand, or a new Panasonic LX100 mk 2 which is around the same size and shape and has a smaller sensor but a useful zoom range.
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The XF10 appears to be discontinued and I have heard of people picking them up for $300-400 lately. Here's a localish place to me with it for $429: https://procam.com/fujifilm-xf10-digital-camera-black I really, really like mine now that I've had it for a year and learned its quirks. It's surprisingly capable and produces great images if you are willing to live with the wide angle. It's most definitely an improvement over smartphones since it's got an APS-C sensor in it. I use mine exactly as you described - basically any time I want to have a "real" camera with me but don't want to carry my DSLR.  Congee by charliebravo77, on Flickr WI Squirrel Round 2 by charliebravo77, on Flickr CO/SD Snapshots by charliebravo77, on Flickr CO/SD Snapshots by charliebravo77, on Flickr CO/SD/WY 2019 by charliebravo77, on Flickr 80D vs XF10 by charliebravo77, on FlickrMy biggest complaint is that the smartphone transfer and live shooting is fuckin garbage. Originally it worked most of the time, then only occasionally, and now it won't sync At. All. and it's not uncommon from what I've seen on the fuji-x forums. I bought a USB-C SD reader to transfer to my phone which not only is faster but will copy RAW images unlike the app though, so it's tolerable now.
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Jul 13, 2020 21:50
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Yeah, Fuji's app has been getting worse with every release.
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Jul 13, 2020 22:54
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Does any camera manufacturer make a cell phone app that isn’t terrible to use?
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Jul 14, 2020 00:52
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President Beep posted:Does any camera manufacturer make a cell phone app that isn’t terrible to use? For editing?
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I’m thinking more of the PTSD-inducing transfer/tethering apps I’ve used from Sony and Canon.
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President Beep posted:I’m thinking more of the PTSD-inducing transfer/tethering apps I’ve used from Sony and Canon. There are third party tethering apps, I use QDSLR Dashboard for field focus bracketing, it's better but still not great. Reading the forums for remote apps most of the issues seem to stem from the clunky way the remote control protocol works rather than the apps themselves.
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Twerk from Home posted:I've been digging through threads trying to figure out state of the art of compact cameras, so I'm going to Just Post and see if someone can point me in the right direction. buy my ricoh gr ii, i don't use it anymore. it's a great camera
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Jul 16, 2020 01:33
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Whatever you buy, if you're looking to keep it cheap, go used. Probably best to avoid random sellers on eBay to avoid getting stung, but there are plenty of reputable used camera dealers around - MPB, B&H Photo, etc.
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Jul 16, 2020 08:41
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Seconding mpb.com. Bought all my gear from there except my first ever camera. Accurate descriptions on all the gear and they've marked up the quality of my trade-in stuff more than once (I said it was 'good' and they said 'nah, it's 'excellent'' and paid me more).
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Jul 16, 2020 09:44
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yea i'd sell mine cheap - i was thinking of $250 CAD (+ whatever the shipping ends up). i'll make a post in the buy/sell thread after work today.
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grassy gnoll posted:My plan is to take pictures of still objects from fairly close up, mostly scale models and the occasional cat or human. I’m hugely massively late to the party, if you went with Sony then the Sony 35mm 2.8 macro lens on any model post A37 is extraordinary good value for money and will do exactly what you want - the complaint with it is that it’s not very good for bugs, but anything still and for close up portraits it’s a cracking lens, plus it’s £150 new and £70 second hand.
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