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After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor


Chairman Capone posted:

I think this is a legacy of the conspiracy culture of the 1980s/90s that Chris Carter drew a lot from, like Behold a Pale Horse. It's the same sort of environment that led to things like Black Helicopters, FEMA Death Camps, Clinton sending his shock troopers across the country, even anti-vaxxer and chemtrail stuff. It's also funny that from 2001-08 a lot of this went away from conspiracy culture, and then returned again until 2016....

Mostly I meant that they were making up for lower budgets, really.

At this point, the Conspiracy angle is still very rooted in the Military-Industrial-Intelligence complex, mostly focused on the acquisition/protection of Alien/Weird poo poo Technology and keeping strict control of secret information, rather than manipulation or control of the US population. It's definitely post-Cold War skepticism, the "what are the defense and intelligence communities supposed to do without the threat of the USSR," which was only amplified as the memories of Desert Storm grew sour. (At least among the demographic who would watch X-Files). Hell, the "Defense Contractor Needs to Find New Clients" thing was a major plot point in "Shadows." And it's implied that the government knows very little about aliens at this point, despite loving around with their tech for fifty years.

It's important to remember that a lot of Cold War stuff was being declassified at this point - I remember reading about human experimentation in the newspaper right around the time the show first started. Hell, the show was wrapping up its fourth season when the government formally apologized for the Tuskegee Experiment. That hasn't really started to crop up in the show yet (aside from the damaging effects of flying alien tech-based aircraft in "Deep Throat") but I know it's just around the corner. The "they're comin' for us"-style Black Helicopter Conspiracy poo poo won't be far behind that, either.

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Payndz
Sep 22, 2006

They smelled of pubs, and Wormwood Scrubs, and too many right-wing meetings.

So I twatted them with a magic yo-yo. Because, hell, why not?


After The War posted:

The problem with starting every rewatch from the beginning is you see the early episodes the most often (I can recite most of the pilot from memory), but it's been so long since the last attempt I felt obligated to.
The early seasons, I can see an episode's title and instantly go "Oh, that's the one with [WHATEVER]", even after all these years. Later on, I have no idea what an episode might be about based only on the title, with a few exceptions. Like I remember 'The Field Where I Died' as "the past-life one so astonishingly boring I have no desire ever to watch it again", or 'Arcadia' as "plastic flamingoes!"

My wife and I started a rewatch a long while back, and got to somewhere around season 3. Then we had a child, and welp, hours of free time of an evening became no longer a thing...

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?


Chairman Capone posted:

I think this is a legacy of the conspiracy culture of the 1980s/90s that Chris Carter drew a lot from, like Behold a Pale Horse. It's the same sort of environment that led to things like Black Helicopters, FEMA Death Camps, Clinton sending his shock troopers across the country, even anti-vaxxer and chemtrail stuff. It's also funny that from 2001-08 a lot of this went away from conspiracy culture, and then returned again until 2016....

Until 2016? Buddy this is the second golden age of extreme right wing conspiracy theorists. I don't think it'll ever go back to "normal".

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



I meant "in" instead of "until"... I don't know anyone on either side of the divide who thinks conspiracy thinking has gone down since then. If anything belief in conspiracies is one thing that brings us all together.

It is kind of funny that the revival series had Joel McHale playing Alex Jones, when Jones is now almost quaint and irrelevant compared to QAnon or the TTSA.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?


Krycek, the dumb dickhead, shot scullys hot sister! wtf

Shrimp or Shrimps
Feb 14, 2012




Most memorable Krycek please add more

1. Getting his arm cut off poor bugger not really
2. Being a complete dick to Skinner with his nanoshit remote control
3. Getting jiggy with it only to find out Marita Corravubius used him

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



Broken Cake

Getting entombed in an ICBM silo to either dehydrate to death or be burned alive in the case of nuclear war.

Also ending up really ashamed to be working for a white supremacist militia after they busted into his ICBM silo to steal the nuke and also rescued him.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?


It's hilarious that this all powerful syndicate defaults to Krycek, Hitman Apprentice, for all their murder needs

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012


My favorite Krycek moment is when he very dramatically drops the vial with the vaccine that could have saved Mulder, only for Scully to then use "an anti-viral" to save Mulder.

It just highlights the incoherence of it all.

There's an alien virus that incubates in seemingly dead people and transforms them into supersoldiers so indestructible that if even a single vertebrae is left they can instantly restore themselves to full health. There is a vaccine to said virus. But it doesn't matter, generic antiviral drugs just as well.

The indestructible super soldier comes from a virus that is easier to treat than the flu.

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

and god is on your side
dividing sparrows from the nightingales

this thread got me curious enough to watch the xfiles again and I know Scully's skepticism in the face of multiple incontrovertible alien/ghost encounters has always been kind of a joke but it's literally the second ever episode where she has to rescue Mulder from a secret military base at gunpoint, the sinister government agent says to them "we're hiding things from you for your protection!" and then in the very next scene says Mulder is crazy for thinking it's a conspiracy

DorianGravy
Sep 12, 2007



Wolfsheim posted:

this thread got me curious enough to watch the xfiles again and I know Scully's skepticism in the face of multiple incontrovertible alien/ghost encounters has always been kind of a joke but it's literally the second ever episode where she has to rescue Mulder from a secret military base at gunpoint, the sinister government agent says to them "we're hiding things from you for your protection!" and then in the very next scene says Mulder is crazy for thinking it's a conspiracy

Yeah, it's a little funny sometimes. I'm sure Scully realizes that there are strange things and dark conspiracies going on, but she's unwilling to believe in aliens and monsters without clear proof. And clear proof is something that she rarely (never?) gets.

I recently started rewatching the first movie, and even there, these are the only things Scully sees: dead bodies going through some strange sort of putrefaction, an unknown disease, a weird facility with bees, helicopters, and probably some half-remembered images of a strange facility in Antarctica. If I were her, I would conclude that there was some sort of cover-up about a strange disease. And while she clearly trusts Mulder in most matters, he actively wants to believe (see his poster) due to his sister's disappearance, so he's probably not the most impartial person on this subject.

Throughout the series, it's a little comical how Mulder sees the really weird stuff and Scully shows up a moment too late. Still, it's a wonderful dynamic. Mulder believes too easily, and Scully won't rely on belief at all (outside of her faith, of course).

I love both Mulder and Scully, but I definitely identify with Scully more.

DorianGravy fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Aug 5, 2020

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



Broken Cake

Wolfsheim posted:

this thread got me curious enough to watch the xfiles again and I know Scully's skepticism in the face of multiple incontrovertible alien/ghost encounters has always been kind of a joke but it's literally the second ever episode where she has to rescue Mulder from a secret military base at gunpoint, the sinister government agent says to them "we're hiding things from you for your protection!" and then in the very next scene says Mulder is crazy for thinking it's a conspiracy

She usually just thinks itís a conspiracy that doesnít involve aliens but just regular secret weapons and human experimentation, which is kind of a fine line, Iíll admit. She just always wants incontrovertible proof of whatever it is in that particular situation. I swear she says stuff like ďjust because there was a ghost that other time, thereís no reason to assume itís a ghost this time!Ē which is a really reasonable position to take.

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



Broken Cake

DorianGravy posted:

Yeah, it's a little funny sometimes. I'm sure Scully realizes that there are strange things and dark conspiracies going on, but she's unwilling to believe in aliens and monsters without clear proof. And clear proof is something that she rarely (never?) gets.

I recently started rewatching the first movie, and even there, these are the only things Scully sees: dead bodies going through some strange sort of putrefaction, an unknown disease, a weird facility with bees, helicopters, and probably some half-remembered images of a strange facility in Antarctica. If I were her, I would conclude that there was some sort of cover-up about a strange disease. And while she clearly trusts Mulder, he actively wants to believe (see his poster) due to his sister's disappearance.

Throughout the series, it's a little comical how Mulder sees the really weird stuff and Scully shows up a moment too late. Still, it's a wonderful dynamic. Mulder believes too easily, and Scully won't rely on belief at all (outside of her faith, of course).

I love both Mulder and Scully, but I definitely identify with Scully more.

Watching as an adult, itís really clear to me that sheís constantly put in the boring adult role, telling Mulder that they have to be responsible and do their homework and that he canít just go crawl through goo, when obviously the whole point of the show is them crawling through goo. Itís kind of like the show is an exquisite hell designed to frustrate her, as sheís a scientist MD Ph.D. or whatever who should be perfectly qualified to solve all this poo poo every week but sheís always being proven wrong by the wild guesses of this dumb rear end in a top hat that donít even follow from the facts of the case. Like she just happens to have the one job in all of government service where the laws of physics donít apply.

Shrimp or Shrimps
Feb 14, 2012




And on top of that Mulder actually spends a lot of time being a complete dick to her if not actively, at least by being inactive, and the show expects that to be fully tempered by some moments of tenderness / damsel-in-distress rescues.

But, like, if I were Scully, I'd sure spend a lot of time really pissed off at my partner. She is there for him literally every time he's having a crisis but the reverse is not true, to the point where he sometimes mocks her.

loving got her dog killed, too. Love you, Queequeg.

(Not really, pomeranians suck)

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?


Finished Clyde, started List. This one seems pretty good and it's definitely creepy but the color temperature or whatever is blech. Like someone went full David Fincher

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?


Ok, the List kinda fizzled in the last third. Maybe half. Not terrible but definitely weaker. The fat eater episode was fine throughout but nothing special. I'd rank it higher all around tbh.

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006



Fun Shoe

Doesn't Scully say at one point that she actively tries to check Mulder's crazy theories even though he has good instincts just because she thinks that's the best way for them to work the cases?

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?


There's too many coincidences for The Walk episode and Mind Quad from X files to be just coincidence. This one after it, is a good episode but jesus christ it's miserable.

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Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?


I meant mind quad from American Dad. That's almost certainly a reference to X files or at least some earlier work but I'd bet it's x files. Anyway, the 731 mytharc episode was a pretty good two parter

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