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Gangringo
Jul 22, 2007

In the first age, in the first battle, when the shadows first lengthened, one sat.

He chose the path of perpetual contentment.



Fluffy Bunnies posted:

Look into Just Food For Dogs DIY. What she's doing isn't helping.

Apparently she can't handle the vegetable matter they put in the boojy dog foods, gives her the runs hardcore.

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Tangy Zizzle
Aug 22, 2007
- brad


Fluffy Bunnies posted:

Cats require 30 calories per pound per day to maintain a healthy weight, with a value play of 25-35 depending on cat activity level. Most lazy cats require right at 30 calories per pound; so a 6 pound cat would require 180.


stop free-feeding your cats before "tubby" turns into "diabetic" and "diabetic" turns into "urinary crystals"; which eventually usually turns into "kidney failure". If you can afford wet, feed wet. If your cat freaks out over an empty bowl; try putting toys in said bowl so they redirect into playtime.

I really appreciate this point but was hoping you could elaborate/corroborate the 30c per lb number.

Background - I was adopted by a fat 6 year old domestic short hair named Porter last year - during our initial checkup he weighed in at 21 lbs and the vet asked us to restrict his diet. We spent a year counting his calories and capping him at 500 (which is a pretty sizable decrease and should have brought him slowly down at least a lb or two) and he somehow came up to 22lbs. We've further reduced his diet to less than 400 cals per day, which according to your math seems draconian but he doesn't seems to be losing weight.

We live in a small condo and get him as active as possible but he's not a playful guy. We think he came from a home with a really old owner who left him mostly to his own devices.

He currently enjoys 65g of Blue Buffalo diet food in the evening in a slow feeder and a can of Fancy Feast Ocean Whitefish and Tuna pate in the morning, with some extra water thrown in.

He doesn't beg for food until it's about an hour outside feeding time.

cat tax
https://imgur.com/a/geW56nQ

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006


after like 8 years one of my cats has decided he doesnt like wet food any longer. back to crunchy it is for him!

loving cats.

Buff Hardback
Jun 11, 2019



Tangy Zizzle posted:

I really appreciate this point but was hoping you could elaborate/corroborate the 30c per lb number.

Background - I was adopted by a fat 6 year old domestic short hair named Porter last year - during our initial checkup he weighed in at 21 lbs and the vet asked us to restrict his diet. We spent a year counting his calories and capping him at 500 (which is a pretty sizable decrease and should have brought him slowly down at least a lb or two) and he somehow came up to 22lbs. We've further reduced his diet to less than 400 cals per day, which according to your math seems draconian but he doesn't seems to be losing weight.

We live in a small condo and get him as active as possible but he's not a playful guy. We think he came from a home with a really old owner who left him mostly to his own devices.

He currently enjoys 65g of Blue Buffalo diet food in the evening in a slow feeder and a can of Fancy Feast Ocean Whitefish and Tuna pate in the morning, with some extra water thrown in.

He doesn't beg for food until it's about an hour outside feeding time.

cat tax
https://imgur.com/a/geW56nQ



So if we take this, he should be at around ~300 calories a day, which probably explains why going to 500 brought him up, not down, given that 500 is the RER of a cat past 25 lbs.

Tangy Zizzle
Aug 22, 2007
- brad


Buff Hardback posted:



So if we take this, he should be at around ~300 calories a day, which probably explains why going to 500 brought him up, not down, given that 500 is the RER of a cat past 25 lbs.

Thanks, looks like I'm on the right track now

effika
Jun 19, 2005
Birds do not want you to know any more than you already do.

Awesome chart! Saving that for when we next have a healthy cat to feed. We have a chronic illness cat that currently weighs 10lbs, and is barely maintaining when fed like a 15lb. Good things she likes her food!

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.


I just wanna complain about Latz, the fuckers happen to be our cats favorite and they just redid their whole line so the portion sizes are reduced to 85g from 100g and of course the prices remains the same. gently caress you Latz!

Deathlove
Feb 20, 2003



Pillbug

Thank you for very much for the chart and the food recs - my vet wants my cat down to closer to 10-11 pounds, and she was closer to 17 this past visit. Picking up some Tiki and switching off of Purina ProPlan Dry to see how that goes. I was pretty strict about 250 calories with it, but hopefully the higher protein/lower carbs/more wet of the Tiki will do the trick!

Re: The Chart - If I aim for 12 pounds, trying to lose weight, I should be giving her about 200cal a day? She's gonna hate me, haha

tax:

Buff Hardback
Jun 11, 2019



Deathlove posted:

Thank you for very much for the chart and the food recs - my vet wants my cat down to closer to 10-11 pounds, and she was closer to 17 this past visit. Picking up some Tiki and switching off of Purina ProPlan Dry to see how that goes. I was pretty strict about 250 calories with it, but hopefully the higher protein/lower carbs/more wet of the Tiki will do the trick!

Re: The Chart - If I aim for 12 pounds, trying to lose weight, I should be giving her about 200cal a day? She's gonna hate me, haha

tax:

250 should be a good number. You start with the chart at their current weight, and use the multiplier for where you want them to go.

admiraldennis
Jul 22, 2003

I am the stone that builder refused
I am the visual
The inspiration
That made lady sing the blues


My always-been-svelte, picks-at-her-food cat somehow gained 2lbs this past year! She's not "overweight" according to the vet but 10.8->12.8lbs is a big and surprising gain! And obviously something to monitor. She's always been 10-11lbs since adulthood. Her brother (littermate) stayed the same this past year at ~13-13.5.

Historically, my two have never had weight issues (always "ideal" bodies) and don't overeat: leftover food in the bowl is not uncommon, and I've also generally given them extra when they ask for it since it's never been an issue, and usually just means they ran around the house a lot recently.

They are coming up on their 11th birthdays (hard to believe!) so maybe she's just slowing down, or was somehow more inclined to eat during the pandemic with me around all the time? They've been on Tiki Cat (wet-only) for the past decade.

Alexeythegreat
Apr 18, 2015

I shall devour your soul.


Grimey Drawer

My cat is approaching one year and I will need to change his food from kitten food to adult food. He is currently eating Royal Canin wet food for sterilised kittens with a bit of RC sterilised kitten dry kibble on the side with a roughly 90/10 ratio by calorie.

The vets just tell me to keep him on Royal Canin and I'd be happy to do that, but their adult food is produced locally, which in my country is a very bad thing. What nutritional requirements should I be looking at? And is there a consensus on grain-free food (there's a food I found that seems trustworthy but it's grain-free)? I'm looking at wet foods.

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Kramdar
Jun 21, 2005

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I'm bored at work and wandered into this new iteration of the food thread.

Here's my two cents on cat food with some back story:

I met my wife back in 2010 and she had two cats. Both were being fed Purina Indoor cat food. One cat was a stray named Jelly (age unknown) and the other she got as a kitten rescue while she worked as a vet tech, that one is Hopscotch. Then we married and got a third one, O'Malley, who was approximately a year old. So all three ate that food in our apartment. Then fast forward 6 months, and we move into a condo and have room for one more cat. He was a rescue mainecoon named Whiskey (age unknown) and he ate the same food. But within about 4 months of having him in our place, he developed feline Hepatitis and dropped to about 9 pounds. This was not attributed to the food, but trying to get him to eat while recovering got me to read more about food and and we eventually transitioned onto new food for everyone. The first I think was Solid Gold Indigo Moon, based maybe on an old thread. But at some point they discontinued the larger size bag or maybe the food size changed, or local stores didn't carry it anymore, but something made me switch to Taste of the Wild Rocky Mountain. And it came in 14 pound bags too!

We fed them that for a year, then we added 3 foster-fail kittens and another stray (starving to death on the street and walked up to my wife when parking her car) and we kept them on this food for at least three years. The kittens all filled out nicely with beautiful coats, the non-strays were staying good sized, and the strays were heavy but I attribute that to fear of starving on the streets.

The first cat, the stray named Jelly, died of old age. Hopscotch developed diabetes a bit after her passing, we switched him to EVO. Everyone else stayed on Taste of the Wild. Hopscotch ate that Purina Indoor cat probably a good 2.5 years of his life initially. I attributed his health and need to eat constantly based on that junk and the reaction it had on his appetite.

EVO discontinued their dry food though and we never found a suitable replacement. Tiki Cat wet food, being the least processed wet food, became Hopscotch's main food with a bit of dry for more nutrition (hard to find a good balance of grain-free/high protein next to EVO). So we experimented with Fromm, some others I forget, and a different Taste of the Wild just for him.

We added one more cat to the mix (that makes 8) and he liked it too. But Taste of the Wild Rocky Mountain finally got kicked to the curb though. One of the three kittens developed a gall bladder stone. So now learning that it is attributed to high phosphorus content, the search began for a dry food with low phosphorus content. I found some great list that compiled all the phosphorus contents of all dry cat food. Then I narrowed it down to what was available in the US, then at stores close by, and even better on Chewy. That one was Solid Gold Winged Tiger.

And we now let all the cats eat it. The diabetic one eats it too since it's in an acceptable threshold of nutrition vs carbs. Despite sticking to wet food for most of his diagnosis, after the EVO discontinuation, our vet was adamant that he eat dry too since he believed the Tiki Cat wasn't nutritionally dense enough (literally whole sardines in those cans!). Here we are at least 2 years post-gallstone surgery and all the cats are doing good eating the Solid Gold Winged Tiger.

And only one of the three kittens ever developed an issue. They are litter mates. Two are calicos, one's a male korat. The vet said the other two probably won't ever have the same issues as the one did. So the other two could have probably stayed on Taste of the Wild.

As for vet-prescribed food, we tried it with the mainecoon back when he was sick and he refused to eat it. Had to buy 5 different brands of high-end wet food before he mustered up the strength to actually eat any of it (something that was mostly trout).

And the diabetic prescription food was junk, carby rear end poo poo. We fed him one can, which looked like gruel, and returned the rest to the vet. I know the vet has the best of intentions, but even they can be a little uneducated on stuff like that.

With that said, it's great to find a food that multiple cats will all like. But it takes a few attempts. With the kittens having eaten the Taste of the Wild for their formative years, the Korat was a hard sell on new dry foods. But the Winged Tiger he went to real fast. And if you have multiple cats it's hard to gauge which health issues may arise, right away or down the road. So realistically it's just research and recommendations.

And the only vomiting issues I have had with all these cats is gorging. And that usually occurred when we weren't home in time to feed them at their normal feeding times (the diabetic one makes it so we do no free feed now).

So realistically, just make sure your young cats/older kittens transition to a nutritionally dense dry food. I would probably stay away from brands that were just normal kibble that later started grain-free lines. Research the brands that always focused on that market share and narrow those ones down. And then focus on protein content (high) and carb content (as low as you can go). Then if they have the data, look at the rest (like phosphorus). Then adapt to their tastes/reactions/potential allergies.


And the cats and shittens mentioned above:

Kramdar fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Apr 17, 2021

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