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elf help book
Aug 5, 2004

Though the battle might be endless, I will never give up

Tulip posted:

A Ferengi learns that latinum is replicable, it was all a lie to avoid disrupting Ferengi culture too much.


This is an upsetting idea.

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Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
Oooooo I like that too

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

Latinum is space weed

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Tulip posted:

A Ferengi learns that latinum is replicable, it was all a lie to avoid disrupting Ferengi culture too much.
This is too good. gently caress someone get a fan-script and $10,000 for Armin Shimerman to do a read at a convention.

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

i love the idea of the UFP brain trust just not telling the ferengi how ridiculous they're being about latinum because it would violate the prime directive

like revealing that the second controller was never plugged in years later

it's just mean

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Latinum is just all the other changelings that got sent out. They hid themselves in worthless, unassuming gold shells, and now they run Ferengi society.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



It's just one changeling who invented capitalism for the ferengi and on his death, as per tradition, his body was split up and sold at the highest price. Each piece of gold plated latinum is like a little tiny coffin containing a holy relic and that's why it can't be replicated. What makes it latinum isn't the material sandwiched inside but who it represents.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

My two dream treks:

1) Lore, the Moriarty Hologram, and the shapeshifter kid from The Dauphin are 'recruited' by Section 31 to do black ops stuff, they escape S31's control and along with Seven of Nine and Will "Hannibal" Riker embark on a quest to do good in places where the Federation (in this conception, principled as ever but with blind spots) can't reach. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find their subspace frequency, maybe you can hire the Space A-Team.

2) Improvised Star Trek, but filmed with a big budget.

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

i think star trek should have more shuttles

also runabouts

and also the enterprise D survives the crash and the girl gets her doll back

generations is the best trek movie haha ahh my secret plot unfurled

Worf fucked around with this message at 00:34 on May 25, 2020

Bogus Adventure
Jan 11, 2017

More like "Bulges Adventure"
All of these Trek threads are making me want to run a Something Awful version of Lasers and Feelings

Barudak
May 7, 2007

The crew are sent to a remote world to do the pre-work for a science team deployment to a hospitable world. Upon arriving the world is, for humans at least, mundane and not particularly notable, with its evolution having just achieved grasses on land. The episode then splits up between the "away team" of two collecting samples at designated sights around the prospective basecamp while the captain and two other remaining main cast stay at the landed ship setting up the sight.

While the away team does their work, the b-plot is a race to repair some broken science equipment before the away team returns and thus have to make another trip back to a starfleet base and fix the mistake. The away team, of the 2nd in command and the field operations specialist (aka marine) spend most of it discussing the marines background and over the course of the episode we learn they came from a federation world that still allows hunting despite taboo and theoretical illegality. Simultaneously, we watch an ever increasingly frustrated base team trouble shooting solutions and arguing next steps without full technical experience.

With the away team, we learn the FOS was originally a diehard proponent of the hunting on their world to spite representatives from other planets intruding on their business. As they grew up and did more research, they realized that it, ultimately, was a complicated situation with no good solution because the world simply hadn't been setup to account for such a change in the future. The discussion of the work required and sacrifice required is juxtaposed with the intermittent cuts back to the base team trying to fix the equipment and struggling.

At the end of the episode the FOS reveals the reason they are an FOS is because they got steered there by Starfleet due to their experience hunting, a suggestion by someone from one of the worlds most opposed to hunting on their planet. What they see themselves, and how they view starfleet and why they've had so much fun on this assignment everyone else is moaning about, is this is a chance to set up a new colony, just like theirs, that will not make the same mistakes theirs made. A chance to make a new person who will help starfleet in some unexpected way but without the baggage they have. It will make new mistakes, and just like their colony, people will work hard in good faith to fix whatever problems it has.

As they return to the ship they find the base crew exhausted and sweaty, but the problem resolved.

Incelshok Na
Jul 2, 2020

by Hand Knit
Federation: The Prime Directive

Now, I haven't seen any Trek post DS9, so there may be some things that don't work here.

It's an anthology show (reused sets because they are all the same class of ship but different cast, if there is budget maybe some retro sets would be cool too). Admiral Riker is a reoccuring anchor character consulting with the crew. Each episode deals with a situation where it is absolutely necessary to violate the Prime Directive. For example, in the first episode a bunch of enslaved miners have overtaken a colony. While the Prime Directive would normally forbid interference in juuuust this one case it is really important to put the mine owners back in power since the miners killed the original mine owning family in their uprising. It's all very sanitized, "Violence never solved anything" vs "They were killing us in the mines! We were dying everyday! Why is their violence OK and our violence isn't?" Every episode is a heavy-handed parable based on real events like West Virginia Coal Wars, Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan, American Invasion of Iraq, British Invasion of Zanzibar, Symbionese Revolutionary Army, just everything about Columbia, etc.

There is a meta-plot where Riker is positioned to take over as Premier of the Federation or whatever their supreme exec is. The end shot of the mini-series is Riker eating mealworms or whatever from the Conspiracy episode.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

That sounds close to the ultra-sarcastic "Special Circumstances" show of my dreams.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

The crew follows a lead on a Maquis research vessel and jumps in ready to intercept only to find it shields down, floating in space devoid of life. As they scan it further, they discover that ship is broadcasting an emergency signal but seemingly only one way and encrypted and a single faint lifesign. With no other ships in the area, they are ordered to investigate.

On board the find a grisly scene, with the crew entirely dead and the ship heavily damaged and many of the bulkheads sealed off and locked. They encounter the faint life sign and find a Ferengi who appears heavily wounded. They spend a few minutes breaking into the medbay to find it oddly constructed, with many more pods than the crew size would indicate.

The rest of the episode revolves around attempting to break the encryption on the signal as they find more and more evidence if extremely careful tampering to destroy every data record except the broadcast. At the same time the Ferengi is extremely evasive of questions and seems resigned to a terrible fate when he finds out they are not Maquis. He seems to know little of the ships crew and operations but is oddly helpful about ensuring the report is complete.

At this point deep scans indicate another empty maquis vessel slowly exiting the system. The crew left on the main ship investigate and find it totally empty, set to autopilot. However the crew log match the dead bodies found on the abandoned science vessel. The message is then decrypted using the second ship showing a maquis only distress signal begging for help and promising their research in exchange.

At this point the Ferengi cracks, admitting he killed the crew and used the med bay to injure himself every time a new ship comes to visit to pick up the data as revenge after the horrible experiments the Maquis inflicted on him and his friends they kidnapped. The episode ends with the crew mulling the Ferengi's fate.

Buttchocks
Oct 21, 2020

No, I like my hat, thanks.
A series where they explore the challenges and implications of designing starships with work and living spaces for alien crew members that have extreme biological and/or social differences. Like, imagine Treebeard serving aboard the enterprise, but he's also really really good at astro-navigation, so they have to accommodate him. And his bunkmate is a Horta.


Also, far from an original idea, but in all seriousness, a star trek where people acknowledge and accept that using the transporter kills you and creates a copy. If that doesn't fit with the Star Trek canon, it could be an alien society that invents some new transporter technology that's way more efficient and reliable, but as a side effect, kills you. The show could explore how technology effects how we think about identity, life, death, society, etc. It would be like the reverse of Altered Carbon, where your body's personality lives on but your consciousness in it is only temporary. There would be conflict between people who view themselves as temporary caretakers of their body for the good of society vs people who selfishly don't want to give up their existence. There would also be dramatic moments where some crew member kisses their children goodbye forever because they have to beam down to a planet to retrieve a wrench or something. Or, maybe that would be how society achieves Roddenberry's utopian ideal of not grieving over death because it's a daily occurrence, but at the same time people still grieve over the loss of a body when it dies.

Polaron
Oct 13, 2010

The Oncoming Storm

Buttchocks posted:

If that doesn't fit with the Star Trek canon

For the record, there's absolutely an episode of TNG that drives a nail into the "transporters kill you" theory. Barclay is shown to be conscious of an entire transport trip and is able to pull something out of the matter stream with him.

Sir DonkeyPunch
Mar 23, 2007

I didn't hear no bell

Polaron posted:

For the record, there's absolutely an episode of TNG that drives a nail into the "transporters kill you" theory. Barclay is shown to be conscious of an entire transport trip and is able to pull something out of the matter stream with him.

Is there anything Broccoli can't ruin??

To balance out this negativity, I think I would like a more "grounded" show, like something set within the confines of the solar system, maybe a sort of detective show, or someone solving interpersonal conflicts.

Star Trek as a Place, as the hosts of Greatest Gen referred to it

FrozenGoldfishGod
Oct 29, 2009

JUST LOOK AT THIS SHIT POST!



Sir DonkeyPunch posted:

Is there anything Broccoli can't ruin??

To balance out this negativity, I think I would like a more "grounded" show, like something set within the confines of the solar system, maybe a sort of detective show, or someone solving interpersonal conflicts.

Star Trek as a Place, as the hosts of Greatest Gen referred to it

So... DS9, but set on/near Earth?

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



broke: transporters kill you by disassembling your matter into energy and reconstructing a clone on the other side with that energy

woke: transporters create pocket universes in which you are fully conscious and fully material and you just kind of hang out with special effects until you appear at your destination having bear-hugged some random poo poo in the teleport universe but it doesn't turn you into a cronenberg because plot.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Ghostlight posted:

broke: transporters kill you by disassembling your matter into energy and reconstructing a clone on the other side with that energy

woke: transporters create pocket universes in which you are fully conscious and fully material and you just kind of hang out with special effects until you appear at your destination having bear-hugged some random poo poo in the teleport universe but it doesn't turn you into a cronenberg because plot.

Also Lower Decks has established that if you mildly gently caress up a beam in, you can still exist otherwise normally and be fully conscious while being slightly in phase with the cosmetic effect of making you glowy, translucent, and constantly emitting the annoyingly loud transporter hum and it lasts for about a day before it just wears off. And it's completely harmless.

Polaron
Oct 13, 2010

The Oncoming Storm
On that note, though, it's obvious that transporters don't actually work how they're described to work (since that would absolutely kill and replace you), so I think you could get a fun episode or two out of characters realizing that and figuring out what they're really doing.

EDIT: Turns out Event Horizon isn't a WH40k prequel, it's a Star Trek prequel and demonic entities/teleporting through Hell are solved problems for the Federation.

Polaron fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Oct 23, 2020

Sir DonkeyPunch
Mar 23, 2007

I didn't hear no bell

FrozenGoldfishGod posted:

So... DS9, but set on/near Earth?

Well, DS9 had an awful lot of frontier type stuff going on, I’m not looking for a Gamma Quadrant here

Barudak
May 7, 2007

No swearing, if you must have invectives its something like "Bartlesnaps"

The crew does not ever face universe or planetary existential threats, at worst political setbacks in the grand game

The crew is small, and forces everyone to wear multiple hats

Its ok to have episodes without phaser fire

Barudak
May 7, 2007

No swearing, if you must have invectives its something like "Bartlesnaps"

The crew does not ever face universe or planetary existential threats, at worst political setbacks in the grand game

The crew is small, and forces everyone to wear multiple hats

Its ok to have episodes without phaser fire

Sir DonkeyPunch
Mar 23, 2007

I didn't hear no bell

Barudak posted:

No swearing, if you must have invectives its something like "Bartlesnaps"

The crew does not ever face universe or planetary existential threats, at worst political setbacks in the grand game

The crew is small, and forces everyone to wear multiple hats

Its ok to have episodes without phaser fire


Barudak posted:

No swearing, if you must have invectives its something like "Bartlesnaps"

The crew does not ever face universe or planetary existential threats, at worst political setbacks in the grand game

The crew is small, and forces everyone to wear multiple hats

Its ok to have episodes without phaser fire

Oh bartlesnaps

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW
An episode where the federation realizes they're poo poo sucking idiots when it comes to personal level fighting. Just real awful, and their ancestors would be ashamed if they weren't radioactive vapor.

Jesus Christ, we have no idea what we're doing, James O'Brien will say, after seeing another 20 security personnel get obliterated after failing to take any kind of of cover.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Sir DonkeyPunch posted:

Oh bartlesnaps

Teleporter accident of somekind. Now to find the evil post.

Incelshok Na
Jul 2, 2020

by Hand Knit
With the increase of CGI and media consolidation I'm worried about the future of Trek. Excess props laying around basically made all the holodeck episodes and such. How do you use extra CGI or whatever?

El Generico
Feb 3, 2009

Nobody outrules the Marquise de Cat!
A fairly large group of Borg create their own collective separate from the main Borg collective where there's still a voluntary hivemind but you can disconnect your own thoughts from it whenever you want and the people in it can think and do whatever they want. The main collective loving hates it, knowing this could be infectious among the regular collective, and lead to big losses, and wants to kill them all.

The Free Collective approaches Federation space looking for protection. They encounter a Federation ship. The Captain hates the Borg, but is still willing to diplomacize and negotiate, but is super skeptical. One of the crew members, someone the captain trusts and relies on, is struggling with anxiety, a lifelong problem. As she speaks with the Free Collective, she discusses her anxiety with them. The Free Collective offers to let her join them, stating that they can't cure her anxiety, that it's a part of her biological distinctiveness that would be added to their own, not removed, but that by having more minds to deal with it, the negative effects would be shared among them, and lessened by the shared burden, sort of like a constant, ongoing group therapy. She is convinced to voluntarily join the Free Collective, but she begins the process quickly and impulsively, and doesn't inform her Captain or anyone else in the crew of her intent first. The Captain believes this might be a trick, that this might be a new sneakier method of assimilation, and that his friend could've been assimilated by force, and then brainwashed to believe she did it voluntarily. They have no way of knowing for sure if she was assimilated by force or by choice. The main collective is approaching though, and the Captain has to choose: trust the Free Collective to modify the ship so they can fight the approaching Borg Cube together, or fire a weapon that'll destroy the attacking Cube, but also destroy the Free Collective. If the Free Collective is a trick, they'll all be assimilated if he trusts them, but if it's not, he'll be murdering them by firing the weapon. On being confronted by his #1 that his hatred of the Borg is essentially based in a prejudice, he chooses to trust the Free Collective, and together they not only defeat the Borg Cube, but free many more drones, expanding the Free Collective's members in the process. The Captain still isn't entirely comfortable with this, but is willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

The crew member who was assimilated decides to stay with the ship, rather than joining the Free Collective's cube. The Captain agrees to let her keep serving, although repremands her for joining the Collective without asking for permission or even telling anyone first. The modifications to the ship give her an alcove to regenerate in, and she can maintain contact with the Free Collective's hivemind when she likes, and disconnect to get back in touch with her individuality whenever she wants, too, although doing that brings back the full effect of her anxiety, too.

That's my first episode. Otherwise just make more TNG goddamnit

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

an entire ferengi marauder filled with quarks all doing different tasks

imagine the beautiful and subtle din of the quarks conversing and scheming together

even just plotting a course would be an epic undertaking

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
Star Trek Universe, centered around the U.S.S. Universe a sister ship of the Enterprise J. While the Enterprise is off handling temporal cold war nonsense, the Universe is off doing what the class was design for: exploring other galaxies. Able to fold space mushroom-warp style in a radius around itself, the U.S.S. Universe and any ships in its "bubble" can be safely transported past the Milky Way's galactic barrier. The Universe leads a small flotilla of allied ships (Federation, Vulcan, Andorian, First Federation, Klingon, Cardassian, and Tholian) on a test flight first to the Large Megellanic Cloud (and later to the Andromeda galaxy). But was the Galactic Barrier put in place to protect the Milky Way from outside threats, such as the creators of the extra-galactic The Doomsday Machine, or was it put in place to contain the peoples of the Milky Way?

The flotilla essentially splits off into different roles, with the Vulcans studying stellar phenomena, the Klingons go all-in on defending the U.S.S. Universe at all costs (because it's the Flotilla's only way home), the Tholans study worlds where inorganic life might thrive, the Andorians set up listening posts, the Cardassians are still recovering from the Dominion War and could only commit a single ship as a token gesture which exists to hang around in the background of fleet scenes and remind you they exist (and possibly to heroically sacrifice itself at some point after the Klingons get Worfed)), and the First Federation's star children do whatever and occasionally give cryptic Guinan-style advice and gifts of Tranya.

The show focuses not on the U.S.S. Universe (because it's just too powerful to be interesting, it's more like a Spacedock / home base equivalent), but on the U.S.S. Endeavor, one of a pair or maybe trio (so one of them can blow up at some point) of smaller TOS Enterprise-sized (and shaped) explorers. These ships are experimental, modular vessels whose saucer section is designed to be quickly dismantled and replaced by the U.S.S. Universe's massive replicator/transporter/3D printers, allowing them to be quickly specialized for any role from astrometrics to combat to refugee transport. With their families safely aboard the U.S.S. Universe, the mixed-species crew of these explorers are free to do what the Federation does best: stick their nose into everything and find trouble first contact opportunities.

Captained by an older Captain who has "dies during the Season 1 finale when they stumble upon a The Doomsday Machine Factory in the Large Magellanic Cloud" written all over him and accompanied by a young, relatively inexperienced crew (including a Romulan exchange officer who's there as an observer since the Romulans couldn't afford to send any ships at all after the destruction of Romulus and the rise of the New Romulan Republic) of not-quite-the-Federation's-Best-but-close-enough-for-some-humor who will grow into their roles as the series progresses, the stage is set for a show of episodic exploration "A Plots" with some underlying season-long "B Plots" about the crew first learning to work together and then fully stepping into their roles after the Captain's untimely death / forced retirement; where the fleet can be in danger but the Federation / Earth / Etc. isn't (unless they bumble into the race of super-psychics that put up the Milky Way Barrier in an attempt to contain the Iconians, or whoever else).

And the Federation is fine, not some dark paranoid police state. They haven't eaten any other major powers, but the Friend / Frienemy status of the Klingons, Cardassians, Tholians, and Romulans is pretty firmly in the 'Friend' area now. The Milky Way is peaceful enough that news from back home is usually positive, Vulcans and Romulans are in open talks about reunification; the Federation is in peace talks with the Borg (end forced conversions, but voluntary is fine ("Would you like to try Collective? The first hit is commitment free")) and the Federation adopting some Borg-ish technologies like implants that let them interface with the ship's computer directly, or healing nanomachines, etc. Basically the Federation have reached a pseudo-parity with the Borg and view each other as too dangerous for open hostility which opens up the door for a "Collective" exchange officer to join the crew at some point if the show needs a new weirdo for a ratings boost.

And no time travel plots. The Enterprise is handling all of those, so the Temporal Cold War / TIMECOPS nonsense can stay in the garbage where it belongs.

Sir DonkeyPunch
Mar 23, 2007

I didn't hear no bell

PoptartsNinja posted:

Star Trek Universe, centered around the U.S.S. Universe a sister ship of the Enterprise J. While the Enterprise is off handling temporal cold war nonsense,

The J was fighting a TRANSDIMENSIONAL INCURSION, Daniels was timecopping some other way

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

These are the recursive voyages of the USS Zagreus, trapped in a time loop in the Tartarus cluster, forever trying to escape...

Okay so I've been playing Hades lately, shut up.

Polaron
Oct 13, 2010

The Oncoming Storm

Sir DonkeyPunch posted:

The J was fighting a TRANSDIMENSIONAL INCURSION, Daniels was timecopping some other way

if you go by STO, the Sphere Builders were part of the Temporal Cold War.
Which was accidentally caused by Nog.

Incelshok Na
Jul 2, 2020

by Hand Knit
I want them to reach out to a hardcore Trekkie audience that is often neglected: hardcore rightwingers. You might think that these people are missing the point and, yes, they probably are. But their dollars spend just as well as anybody's.

So, we make a pretty normal Trek except that it follows Captain Nog and he's a fundamentally solid captain but a lot of the crew don't like him because he is a Ferengi. As part of cultural exchange, the crew is speaking Ferengi with their translators set on low. The audience hears it as English but word order occasionally gets jumbled and the Ferengi overuse of possessives shows through a lot with people who don't speak Ferengi well. The main crew speaks what we perceive as normal English just fine. But some of the lower ranking characters keep talking about a "Nog occupied captancy" or a "Nog occupied ship" when they mean to say "Captain Nog" or "Nog's ship". The first mate is a Vulcan follows V2 word order, including subordinate clauses except for in sentences that would involve "So" (and following Spock, that will happen often) where they are verb-initial. Also to honor Spock's legacy she is also a fat chick.

It's more a nightmare Trek but, you know, it can always be retconned as being in an alternate universe or whatever.

Incelshok Na fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Oct 27, 2020

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013
Chuds already have their own Star Trek universe, it's called The Fandom Menace.

frogge
Apr 7, 2006


Someone else said it in one of the million other trek threads so I can't take the credit, but I would love to watch a show that was only about the many adventures and misadventures of Quark and his bar.

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

frogge posted:

Someone else said it in one of the million other trek threads so I can't take the credit, but I would love to watch a show that was only about the many adventures and misadventures of Quark and his bar.

A gun fight between a wily human and green skinned sentient happens and quark helps solve who shot first

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




It’s neat to read the first page of this thread and see how Discovery S3 is a sampling of many of the initial posts.

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Baudolino
Apr 1, 2010

THUNDERDOME LOSER
NCIS but its starfleet.

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