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Yeah that's a handsome vessel right there
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Nov 5, 2025 07:54
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bij posted:Star Trek Online is still chugging along and they just revealed a TMP styled Warbird. It is HOT. 
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Nov 5, 2025 19:10
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I'm not sure what's TMP-coded about it, other than being beige, but it is a cool-lookin' bird.
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Nov 5, 2025 19:45
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Madurai posted:I'm not sure what's TMP-coded about it, other than being beige, but it is a cool-lookin' bird. There's enough design queues from from the TOS Bird Of Prey and the TNG D'Deridex to sell it as an intermediate design that could conceivably pop up in the TMP era. Post-TOS features: Closed, non-cylindrical nacelles with no glow No saucer Negative space Beige, not grey Pre-TNG No bird beak Red/visible deflector Angular bits Beige, not green The nacelles are the real TMP identifier for me.
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Nov 5, 2025 20:33
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Where ToS ships (Constitution, Warbird) had circular nacelles, and 90’s Trek had flatish oval nacelles (Galaxy, Vor’Cha, D’deridex etc) Movie era designs had vertical rectangular nacelles (Constitution refit, K’Tinga, Miranda, Excelsior). The only real exceptions are ships that outright don’t have nacelles like the ToS D7 (whose wings are retconned into nacelles when they don’t outright use a K’Tinga model to represent it) the movie era Bird of Prey (though it ironically got more screen time in TNG alone than it did in the movies), and basically every non Fed/Kling/Rom ship in the 90’s. Actually that makes me wonder, why was it only the “Big 3” who used nacelles? Was it an arms race? Was someone at Klingon High Command ranting about a “Nacelle gap”?
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Nov 6, 2025 23:34
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Pretty sure the D7 was always intended to have engine nacelles from the concept art. The D7 in general is an inverted Connie. Not sure if it was a retcon, probably was, but the two humps on the back of the Bird of Prey are supposedly engine housings, and in the 22nd century version were separated out into full-blown separate nacelles.  Nacelles are just something that's meant to make sense with how drive technology works in-universe, and in particular the Romulans, Klingons and Federation were close enough that their technology was probably intertwined due to spying. But a huge number of ships from various aliens will have designs that imply paired engines in the structure even if they're not out in their own nacelle pods.. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Nov 7, 2025 |
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Nov 7, 2025 07:07
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the plague ship from the early tng ep haven was conceived and designed w the intent that it was driven thru warp by a gargantuan luminous orb
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Nov 7, 2025 10:55
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I kinda miss the more whimsical wierd-rear end alien different approach to technology concepts like that that popped up more in the early show.
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Nov 7, 2025 13:51
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I remember there used to be a whole thing about how Klingon ships in particular had very little radiation shielding in the engineering spaces because they make their slave races run them. That was supposedly why you've got that long, fragile-looking command boom - it's to keep the epetais, zentais and vestais from eating too many rads while the no-tais and the slave races shovel coal and anticoal into the intermix chamber.
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Nov 8, 2025 01:37
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Kesper North posted:I remember there used to be a whole thing about how Klingon ships in particular had very little radiation shielding in the engineering spaces because they make their slave races run them. That was supposedly why you've got that long, fragile-looking command boom - it's to keep the epetais, zentais and vestais from eating too many rads while the no-tais and the slave races shovel coal and anticoal into the intermix chamber. That was from the old pen and paper rpg wasn’t it? The one with kamikaze drone shuttles and the like?
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galagazombie posted:That was from the old pen and paper rpg wasn’t it? The one with kamikaze drone shuttles and the like? It was either Star Fleet Battles ("kamikaze drone shuttles" were that one I think), FASA Star Trek (still the "Real" Star Trek space combat game, to me) or John Ford's genuinely breathtaking, literary Star Trek tie-in novel, The Final Reflection, or some combination of the three.
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It isn't in Ford or the SFB lore. The latter does have Klingon ships making heavy use of "subject races", but their explanation if the boom was that it served as an escape pod for the command crew. If you're not synthesizing a bunch of different things, it is probably from FASA.
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Nov 9, 2025 11:55
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Ford worked with FASA and IIRC had a co-writing credit on their Klingon book. There's definitely a throw-away line in The Final Reflection about the main character wanting to work in the command pod up front so he's away from the radiation. He did not explicitly say anything in the novel about slave races in engineering.
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Nov 9, 2025 15:36
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IIRC, the radiation thing was the final leftover from the original Roddenberry and/or Jeffries directive that the area between the warp nacelles was intensely hazardous, which was why they had to be away from the rest of the ship and with nothing between them. Obviously later ship designers didn't give a gently caress about any of that, or the stipulation that they had to be unobstructed from the front too.
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Zorak of Michigan posted:Ford worked with FASA and IIRC had a co-writing credit on their Klingon book. Too bad he didn't make it to 2025, we might have seen a zentai in a zentai suit Gnoman posted:If you're not synthesizing a bunch of different things Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations i guess! 
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Madurai posted:IIRC, the radiation thing was the final leftover from the original Roddenberry and/or Jeffries directive that the area between the warp nacelles was intensely hazardous, which was why they had to be away from the rest of the ship and with nothing between them. Clearly Wah Chang didn't.
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I was browsing Memory Alpha, and hit on the page for a ship class that, while original to Star Trek Online, was canonized in Picard: the Ross class. I'm one of those people who doesn't care for the Galaxy class's look, I like the Ambassador class but feel that the oblong saucer section just looks wrong. The Ross class reverts to a circular saucer design, and I think works very well as a high-tech update of the Galaxy design.
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Nov 23, 2025 15:35
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It looks like it's widely gesticulating with its nacelles to me "You fuckin seein this? All this fuckin space? The uh, the quasars and poo poo? It's everywhere!"
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Nov 23, 2025 15:46
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I'm not a huge fan, one of the ideas with the original Galaxy design was to amp up the slightly strange organic shape of it by avoiding too-regular shapes like perfect circles or straight lines and I like the way that ended up looking. Yeah the wide saucer is a bit odd but both the vertically-oriented circles (engines, dishe) and the flat (saucer) got elongated along the same axis and it produces what I think is a good visual effect. And the wide saucer lets it really loom. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Nov 23, 2025 |
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Nov 23, 2025 20:13
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I've been posting Dan Dare comics over in the PYF comics thread, so here are some of my favourites from that.       
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Nov 23, 2025 20:31
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god drat, there really were a couple of decades when the uk had some of the best colorists working in comics
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Nov 23, 2025 20:36
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Those are so deliriously pulp, I'm in love
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I love the way mid-20th-century comic rocket ships with big tail fins to land on are suddenly actually quite realistic designs now.
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Dang, those're some good looking ships. I think they also look like they have like a solid, thought-out dimensionality to them. A lot of classic comic spaceships just kinda go wild with curves and don't look like a physical thing, but these have some thought into them (and a lot of concern about cockpit visibility). Particularly that shuttle that the horse aliens are using that you see from a bunch of different angles. The Kra makes me think of the Trade Federation core ships, although obviously it's much more philosophically weighty.  MikeJF posted:I'm not a huge fan, one of the ideas with the original Galaxy design was to amp up the slightly strange organic shape of it by avoiding too-regular shapes like perfect circles or straight lines and I like the way that ended up looking. Yeah the wide saucer is a bit odd but both the vertically-oriented circles (engines, dishe) and the flat (saucer) got elongated along the same axis and it produces what I think is a good visual effect. Which also made it an odd choice for the big expensive lego set that came out recently. https://bsky.app/profile/liliumbrickyards.com/post/3m4nlkymz4s2z Lego's not great at doing curves, I think it's done better with other things, but maybe most of the curve pieces aren't meant for weird ovals, At least you can take the saucer off if you want. 
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The big obstacle is inventing something to thrub the hull between voyages. As you can see, a thrubber is in operation at their spaceyard.
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