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Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




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Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




twistedmentat posted:

Yea Movie Enterprise is by far the best. But TOS is pretty amazing too for the time and budget of the show.

both of them are amazing for being weird, spindly designs w only a single axis of symmetry, which nonetheless look good, proportionally sound, and clearly oriented from any angle at almost any distance

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

I feel like there's been a shift in how things are done with regard to effects houses, and I've peripherally heard about things like effects houses constantly either on the verge of bankruptcy or even just straight-up going under. I wonder if there's so much churn going on that there's no longer the opportunity for the sorts of in-house cultures to form that used to be around. But even that doesn't quite explain the Star Wars sequels, because ILM is still around.

I also have been griping for ages now about how sound effects have been losing their punch. Everything is pips and squeaks now. Someone had the idea that maybe today nobody's bothering to do analog foley work any more and are instead just digitally tweaking what already exists in the library (or perhaps, just synthesizing from whole cloth bytes).


I've love to read a book (or even just a long-form article) that goes into how production technique, technology, and philosophy has changed over the past 20 years. If there isn't one out there then surely it deserves to be written.

picard had better tech-sounds than the entirety of berman-era trek. forcefields and shields had thumping sounds that made them feel like barriers instead of like thin curtains of sparks

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




twistedmentat posted:

I can live with this is just an updated version of an older design because that's how development works. A current X-wing will look a lot like a 30 year old version. Though it is unforgivable for TROS to literally slap a big gun on the existing Star Destroyer design and say "Oh yea this thing is like 10km long". It was like the guy responsible was too busy playing Fortnite and then realized he had design A ship and just slaped the thing together in a few minutes. Actually if that was the reason, a lot of ROTS would be explained.


Yea, I can believe that. And its probably to do with CGI. You can do whatever you want now, but it probably costs way more to start up and keep the lights on than it did when it was just models made from parts you could get at a hobby store or make yourself out of fiberglass and vacuum moulded plastic. I'd also not be surprised if technical skill is valued over the creative in the industry as well.

This is all why I want to see more of Dune. I want to know what the Highliners look like, the are the Atredies frigates going to look different from the Harkonnen? I know Dune isn't exactly a spaceship based property, but it is the only major Sci-fi movie on the horizon. I'm hoping Disco season 3 will give us some neat ships, but based on Picard, i'm not too hopeful.

michael chabon was prob a big part of the lackluster ship design in picard. for all his other strengths, he just dgaf about ship/tech porn. he astutely notes that trek is about people, society, morality, etc. but his complete lack of concern for the shiny space bits means, as showrunner, he was prob just telling folks to fill the sky w 1 to 2 big piles of space boat, dont sweat the details

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




contrast discovery, which even up to this pt has churned out a ton of new designs, unfortunately mostly by john eaves. (im not a fan of eaves designs [and esp not a fan of eaves/drexler designs])

the best of these is the magee-class because its a flying saucer

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




twistedmentat posted:

Yea, the Federation designs are pretty good, I really like the Walker class and the Nimitz and Shepard are nice too. Klingon ships though, what the gently caress. What the hell is the Bird of Prey? Plus the others just look like ugly lumps. The D7 looking amazing though, kinda makes up for it.

the walker looked even better in concept art imo

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




100YrsofAttitude posted:

I also really love the very blocky polygonal look of the F-Zero racers, but I don't think those are spaceships so they probably don't qualify.

according to my extensive research (google to find video game wikis) they are “jet-powered racers” that “have no tires, but use G-Diffuser systems to float a foot above the surface” (smash bros melee trophy)

however there is a space ship associated w the fs-zero

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1qvbUqKAP0

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




Sodomy Hussein posted:

The Romulan D'deridex Warbird is basically the coolest ship there is, with only the star destroyer holding a candle.

you are dropping some hard truths itt

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




twistedmentat posted:

Huh, its upside down in the show. Is this like the reliant originally being the other way but the director saw it upside down and that's why it has its nacelles on the bottom rather than top?

nope, its just a function of early discovery being good ideas buried underneath collisions of bad ideas

imo the clearly best way to proceed from that concept is to move the nacelles forward (keeping the pylons roughly where they are now) and make the housing around the deflector dish rise more distinctly out of the saucer

make the whole thing look like a weird grasping claws

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




trek ship design has been stuck in a deepening rut for almost a quarter century

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




im here to drop a hard truth you folks might not like but will see the truth of: starfuries are just uglier gunstars

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




the marauder and the romulan war bird are both probert designs btw

best trek ship designer ever

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




dialhforhero posted:

You sure this wasn’t for the Corellian Corvette?

Because the Corvette is a blatant rip off right down to the engines and escape pods if this came first.

that is the original millennium falcon model. after they decided to redesign the falcon, the model was modified and repurposed as leias ship

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




the uss cygnus, from disneys THE BLACK HOLE, is fuckin beautiful







over the past few decades, the trend has-been steadily increasing the size of space ships. the enterprise-d was a huge ship for the 1980s/early 90s, and it barely rates today. the uss cygnus was, like the star destroyer, an impossibly-big mile-long spacecraft. that might not seem like much now, but in its day, it was a titan







it was just as weird and beautiful inside as outside







the cygnus, is rad

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




b5 had some ok ships, but nothing ever stuck out as having the distinct + attractive look that a good iconic ship should have. the white star–the shows closest thing to a hero ship–was a visual mess

that said, there were a lot of fun design notes in the ships

the drakh ship was fun because, as simple as it was, it looked like the entire design doc was EVIL WHITE STAR written hastily w large letters on a sheet of notebook paper



i also thought that the main narn and centauri capital ships had interestingly similar visual cues: the big ships were flat, w stubby wings out of the main body, and two large prongs sticking out of the front. the smaller warships had long wings at the back of a long central fuselage, w a vertical element to mix up the silhouette (in the center for the centauri, at the far ends of the wings for the narn)

i hope that was intentional

the best b5 ship was ofc this baby



here is why it is the best:
  • flying saucer
  • only weapon is apparently hot shards of glass that do not seem to have great range or precision
  • weapon is fired from the exact center of the largest profile the ship can present
  • only feasible space fight technique is to run up super fast at the other ship to get close, rotate around to show them the biggest target possible, then spray hot glass at them really hard

what a fuckin champion

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




Lemniscate Blue posted:

The rest of your post is good but I have to raise strenuous objection to this bit right here because:

https://i.imgur.com/reEjqWH.mp4
https://i.imgur.com/reEjqWH.mp4

Starfuries are awesome.

Squizzle posted:

im here to drop a hard truth you folks might not like but will see the truth of: starfuries are just uglier gunstars



Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




the thruster placement on the gunstar means it can maneuver like a starfury all day every day. death blossom is just telling the computer to dump everything left in the weapons system such that it obliterates everything inside the db radius :colbert:

the gunstar, also, remains a million times better-looking

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




Polaron posted:

I loved how over the top the weaponry in Andromeda was, too. Weren't the main guns basically black hole cannons or something?

it had bombs, plural, that caused a star to go supernova, as part of its standard complement

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




long before generations showed the B, it was assumed generally that it was an excelsior class. probert created his prototype C design by laying the outline of a galaxy and excelsior one over the other, and drawing lines to connect corresponding structures on them, and using those as guidelines for what a sort of manually-derived average of the two would be

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




im a big fan of the ent-c as it appeared on screen, because the “lazy” construction—circles instead of flowy probert curves—really nicely evoke the original and refit enterprise. since the ep the ship appears in relies on the past being out of place, the stronger visual link to the classic series sells that idea, imo, better than a design more similar to the ent-d would

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




mind the walrus posted:

Leaning hard on the bright blue deflector and cherry red nacelles helps sell the bridge to TNG as well. I hadn't seen the original ENT-C art and it honestly does look much better as a conceptual bridge between the B and D, but I do prefer the C's overall look. Plus it's blue. It always bugged me that none of the ships in Star Trek had any color.

bothered probert too. he designed the ent-d to be more blue than it was ever lit or shot. he also designed the maroon-and-orange ferengi marauder and the fuckin seafoam-ish green romulan warbird

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008






look at this charming impractical thing!!

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




Chomp8645 posted:

She's built like a deli, but she handles like a bistro!

yeah but have you ever flown in a brutalist office building painted in 90s tiger stripes??

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




mind the walrus posted:

Fun fact-- I wanted to know who drew that cover so before I just typed in the magazine info I did a reverse Google Image Search and got the Capitol Building of Georgia:



both of those covers are by vaughn bodé

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




Taintrunner posted:

I would accept this premise if they attached a couple of arms to a giant floating space Manhattan to fling a smaller, obsolete space city colony at the enemy like it was a loving BeyBlade

season six of stargate atlantis sounding great

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




galagazombie posted:

I have no poo poo bought ships from both X-Wing and Armada with no intention of using them in-game simply because it's the only way to get high quality movie accurate models for some ships without paying $600 dollars for a 30 year old model from Japan, if at all.

Relatedly, theres no way to get a good model for the N64 design of the Arwing from Starfox. Say what you will about it being about talking animals and memes about barrel rolls. Strafed 64 was filled to the brim with amazing designs. One thing I always loved about the Arwing is how its design acknowledges that there's no air in space. The wings are articulated and fold up behind the ship when you leave atmosphere.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VkZu7HiC7c

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




cursed page now

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




Brawnfire posted:

No Romulan design will ever unseat the D'Deridex in my opinion

i want there to be designs beautiful enough to unseat it, or at least match it. like how the magnificent swoops of the enterprise-D have their elegant match or better in the protostar



which looks good



from every



single



angle



imaginable

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlo0pfihPIc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYIDhvUz8uY

the show is gorgeous and the ship is well-designed and also, the show itself is v enjoyable

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPbfcLwVOPs





Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




the final arc in the original marvel star wars comics featured the nagai, a species of lithe animes in catsuits; and their ancient foemen, the toffs, who were portly age of sail pirates who cruised around space in wooden tallships





Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




that is den siva, the first star wars character to ever make me go “oh poo poo i would totally like being that guy”. yes he is a tortured survivor of pirate slavery or something like that, but also, he has amazing hair and dresses super awesomely, so who can say what is good or bad

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHr-t10jbX4

the smash bros stage lylat cruise takes place on a star fox ship that only exists in smash: the pleiades-class cruiser







a reasonably handsome ship, that luigi can stand on

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




i want to see the lego ships + that shader

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Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




Mister Kingdom posted:

The Spindrift from Land of the Giants



It's a sub-orbital passenger ship going from Los Angeles to London in 1983 when it hit some kind of spatial anomaly and ends up on the giants' planet. There aren't many good images of it in the show, so this is a model.

pleasingly bulbous

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