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twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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What is Sci-fi without the ability to go somewhere else? Yes there are Sci-fi that don't feature space ships, I'm aware, so don't um actually me.

The Klingon Bird of Prey

My favorite ship out of them all. It is aggressive, cruel, mean and tells you everything you need to know about the Klingons just looking at it. When it was designed, it was intended to be a Romulan Ship that Kluge stole, but that had to be removed, and this designed informed pretty much all Klingon designs to come. Until Discovery, where the Klingon ships look like poop.

Imperial Star Destroyer

A simple design, just a point, but it makes sense to bring maximum firepower to a single point. Again, it tells you what you need to know about the Empire.

Earth Alliance Starfury

Best Starfighter, it actually takes into account how objects move in space, by having directional thrusters that enable it to move in any direction. In the show you can see them making full 180 turns to keep firing at things behind them. I'm not sure if standing to pilot them had a benefit other than saving on not having a seat?

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twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Yea Movie Enterprise is by far the best. But TOS is pretty amazing too for the time and budget of the show.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Squizzle posted:

both of them are amazing for being weird, spindly designs w only a single axis of symmetry, which nonetheless look good, proportionally sound, and clearly oriented from any angle at almost any distance

Yea, they could have easily just made the rocket ships that were so common at the time, but they did something that was really out there, and probably no one had seen before.

Honestly I think Star Trek has the best track record for cool designs for ships






Star Was has iconic ships too, aforementioned ISD, the Falcon, the X-Wing, but did they introduce any cool new ships in the Sequel Era? At least the Prequels gave us the Venator and CIS ships, its just here's another Star Destroyer that looks like all the previous Star Destroyers. I've mused many times that no one working in effects currently has any idea how to make a decent looking ship. Actually Kylo Ren's Tie Silencer was pretty cool.

Even Mass Effect Andromeda for all its lovely ways, gave us a great hero ship

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Chuck Buried Treasure posted:

The sequels didnít have new designs period. Everything in TFA was just the original trilogy designs but made a little stupider, TLJ was original trilogy designs but significantly stupider, and TROS I donít think has anything new really. Even the Silencer is just a TIE interceptor, but bigger and stupider.

I can live with this is just an updated version of an older design because that's how development works. A current X-wing will look a lot like a 30 year old version. Though it is unforgivable for TROS to literally slap a big gun on the existing Star Destroyer design and say "Oh yea this thing is like 10km long". It was like the guy responsible was too busy playing Fortnite and then realized he had design A ship and just slaped the thing together in a few minutes. Actually if that was the reason, a lot of ROTS would be explained.


Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

I feel like there's been a shift in how things are done with regard to effects houses, and I've peripherally heard about things like effects houses constantly either on the verge of bankruptcy or even just straight-up going under. I wonder if there's so much churn going on that there's no longer the opportunity for the sorts of in-house cultures to form that used to be around. But even that doesn't quite explain the Star Wars sequels, because ILM is still around.

I also have been griping for ages now about how sound effects have been losing their punch. Everything is pips and squeaks now. Someone had the idea that maybe today nobody's bothering to do analog foley work any more and are instead just digitally tweaking what already exists in the library (or perhaps, just synthesizing from whole cloth bytes).


I've love to read a book (or even just a long-form article) that goes into how production technique, technology, and philosophy has changed over the past 20 years. If there isn't one out there then surely it deserves to be written.

Yea, I can believe that. And its probably to do with CGI. You can do whatever you want now, but it probably costs way more to start up and keep the lights on than it did when it was just models made from parts you could get at a hobby store or make yourself out of fiberglass and vacuum moulded plastic. I'd also not be surprised if technical skill is valued over the creative in the industry as well.

This is all why I want to see more of Dune. I want to know what the Highliners look like, the are the Atredies frigates going to look different from the Harkonnen? I know Dune isn't exactly a spaceship based property, but it is the only major Sci-fi movie on the horizon. I'm hoping Disco season 3 will give us some neat ships, but based on Picard, i'm not too hopeful.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Squizzle posted:

contrast discovery, which even up to this pt has churned out a ton of new designs, unfortunately mostly by john eaves. (im not a fan of eaves designs [and esp not a fan of eaves/drexler designs])

the best of these is the magee-class because its a flying saucer

Yea, the Federation designs are pretty good, I really like the Walker class and the Nimitz and Shepard are nice too. Klingon ships though, what the gently caress. What the hell is the Bird of Prey? Plus the others just look like ugly lumps. The D7 looking amazing though, kinda makes up for it.


Squizzle posted:

michael chabon was prob a big part of the lackluster ship design in picard. for all his other strengths, he just dgaf about ship/tech porn. he astutely notes that trek is about people, society, morality, etc. but his complete lack of concern for the shiny space bits means, as showrunner, he was prob just telling folks to fill the sky w 1 to 2 big piles of space boat, dont sweat the details

Ah I can totally see that. Seems like in the past they'd have the effects department/production design teams do their thing, and then decide what to use, but in this its like "whatever, just as long as there's something to look at" and didn't have any meetings about it afterwards.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Squizzle posted:

the walker looked even better in concept art imo



Huh, its upside down in the show. Is this like the reliant originally being the other way but the director saw it upside down and that's why it has its nacelles on the bottom rather than top?

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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I like that the Marauder still follows Big Rods original plans where to work, warp nacelles needed to see each other with nothing in the way. So that's why the Warbird has this giant negative space in it, and the aforementioned Marauder has the edges of its wings(?) pointed down so this works. Though the Bird of Prey ignores this before Roddenberry died.

Marvel hasn't given us that many ships so far, but I really like Ronan's Dark Aster ship from Guardians 1

It's simple, but very sinister. I like how the interior is completely alien, like you have no idea how this thing is controlled, but it works.

And big, big fan of the Milano

It is a spaceship, but it also looks like a high performance sports car. I also like the way its command deck is positioned, stepped down along the prow.

Battlefleet Gothic, either the PC games or the tabletop game has some great ship designs. But my favorite are the Imperiums Battleships

They are just massive, bristling with guns and an armored prow that can just plow through anything.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Roddenberry had no direct control over any of the movies except The Motion Picture. He could write memos (which, if I remember right, the producers said they used about a third of) and he could leak scripts to the fans, but that was about it. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if there was a memo moldering in some file cabinet about how the Bird of Prey needs x and y changes.

Yea I watched those videos about the Trek movies about how Roddenberry would just send notes that everyone would go "lol okay whatever" and ignore. He also really wanted to make a movie where Spock had shot JFK.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Posting that is shaming me for all the kits i have sitting in my closet unassembled.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Ooh I completely forgot about the Xenosaga ships.

I liked the Durandal which also functioned as a office building when docked with a station.

EDIT: A Picture


Actually all the Xenosaga ship designs are great. I'll have to post some images when I'm home from work.

Can I just take a moment how much i hate Wikis and their cluttering up GIS with their undownloadable images?

I posted The Starfury, but generally all the Babylon 5 ships are great. They are primative looking because mid 90s cgi, but they still are awesome

Earth Alliance Omega Destroyer


Minbari Sharlin Crusier


Narn G'Quan Crusier


Centuari Primus Battleship

I wish i could have found a better picture of this one.

I'd love to see a modern version of B5 with upgraded cgi models, though as I've complained before, they'd half rear end it.

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twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

So some dude has put out some renders that are allegedly, for the most part, the original art assets (and even allegedly rendered on the same software), just with the resolution cranked up to 1920x1080.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24AJP0693mc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SkU91BMLgc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFFfmE0L_ac

While they look good, they're still just mid 90s cgi. Though they do illustrate how alien and terrifying the Shadow's ships were.

That also reminds me of one of the things I loved about Babylon 5 is that the tech between races was varied. In most sci fi settings everyone's normally at parity, like someone might be faster or have better shields or whatnot, but in b5 some races don't even have artificial gravity and lack the engineering to even make rotating hulls to create gravity. Humans are shown to be somewhere in between there, will bow Omega and Nova class ships serving at the same time.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Oh true, it wouldn't hold up for a new modern production, but it's still pretty amazing how good it looks just by cranking up the resolution. A lot of the magic in the B5 exteriors was in the "camerawork".


Nova class are the Omega-looking ones without rotating sections, right? Yeah those ones just don't have any gravity at all, it's just zero-g for the full deployment. Probably a contributing factor to why General Franklin didn't want his troops sitting out on the transport ships for too long. First EarthForce ship with artificial gravity is the Warlock destroyer... I can't remember when it's first seen, definitely not in the main series.

I think you see one in one of the movies, or maybe the Crusade pilot? And yea, Nova's were precursors to the Omega and served along with Hyperions in the Earth Minbari war.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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The Vree, who used the saucer, were literally Greys, and yes, they did come to earth and abduct people for experiments in the past. I loved that little detail in the show.


Drink-Mix Man posted:

I'm a fan of the NASA concept art of a real-life Starship Enteprrise:














Legit want to see a Star Trek reboot that looks something like this.

You should watch the Expanse. All its ships are stuff like that.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Lemniscate Blue posted:

Death Blossom was something that one experimental Gunstar could do once, and it had to stop in place to do it.

Starfuries are designed to do it all day every day.

Light years ahead of the competition!

And deathblossom also shorted out all their systems.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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WilWheaton posted:

speaking of which, how are we not talking about the roci



Because I couldn't find a good picture of it.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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mind the walrus posted:

I have got to dig more into Claremont's X-Men I did not know the Brood even had ships. Most modern incarnations just have them crash on planets/asteroids/ships in a cocoon or something.

They hollow out the bodies of space whales they kill and use them as ships. It's actually quite horrifying, like everything with the Brood.

Why the Brood have been ignored in X-men media is beyond me. Stop doing Phoenix and do Brood.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Jintozook81 posted:



Main ship from Infinite Fleet.

Reminds me of the SDF-1. That's a compliment.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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I actually think TIE Crawlers appeared in Dark Empire first. They showed up in a lot of video games though.

and GI Joe Vehicles are totally acceptable, because there has never been a toy line with such rad stuff as that.

If i'm ever rich, after getting the USS Flag, I want a Defiant

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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One cool thing about Expanse Ships is they're built like a building, not a ship. The decks go vertical rather than horizontal because their gravity is generated by thrust.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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free hubcaps posted:

ever since i was a lil' hubcap and found them in my school library ive had a love for the terran trade authority books and their very foss-esque spaceships










I was thinking about this today! I had the one that was called Space Wreck, and it was just nothing but Foss painted ship porn. Mine was misprinted and missed 6 or so pages. My favorite was the rotting spider walker in some dead alien city.

Holy poo poo Amazon has it for 100bux. I wonder if my copy is still with my parents.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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DrBouvenstein posted:

I always preferred the Orion:


Love a good booty.

There's also the Galaxy:


But it's got a little pin-head. Looks weird, proportionally.

That looks like an upgunned Gunstar.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Jostiband posted:

I know nobody watches 2010, but the Alexei Leonov is sexy as hell in that clunky Omega kind of way



rip

Is that the Soviet Ship from 2010?

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Brawnfire posted:

I love laser-lance weapons. Anything that sears through space and just pumps infiniwatts of energy into anything in its path gets me going

Yea and always a fan of ships built around giant fuckoff guns.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Megillah Gorilla posted:

One of the most striking images I ever saw at the cinema as a child was the meteor storm in Black Hole



I just rewatched The Black Hole on Disney+ and it holds up pretty well. The end is still weird though.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Megillah Gorilla posted:

A lot of movies of the time suffer from "we have huge ideas, but the special effects to properly show them simply don't exist".

So you get a black hole effect that is someone pulling the plug out of a sink and the mind bending transformative experience of passing through into another universe shown by stretching the film and making people talk funny.

You get Rhienherd inside Maximillion apparently ruling over hell and then the Palemino crew being lead to earth by an angel or something?

What?

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:

It doesn't get mentioned as often as it should that the 80s movie Enterprise looks fantastic from behind







And the Bird or Prey is flexing.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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nine-gear crow posted:

You should check out the Star Trek Armada III mod for Sins of a Solar Empire. It is stupidly well done and a worthy successor to both Armada and Armada II if you've ever played either game.

There's a similarly good star wars mod out there too.

I wish I remember what it was called off the top of my head.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Mordja posted:

Guessing your thinking of Thrawn's Revenge II, that's the big one. Not a huge fan and in general I think trek-tech makes for more interesting games in general.

Isn't that for Galaxy at War? I was thinking of Interregnum.

But I agree that Star Trek fits better with SoaSE's gameplay. THough I wish it wasn't just TNG era ships, I wish it had TOS and movie era ships (and I guess disco ships too).
There was a 40k mod at one point but I don't think they ever released a working version. That's too bad, because while i like BFG games, they're a bit to fiddly for me.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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DrBouvenstein posted:

That second one reminds me of some of the ships from the Spelljammer campaign setting for 2nd Edition AD&D.

Mindflayers going through space in a loving flyin' nautilus:


Battle Dolphins:


And the eponymous Spelljammer itself, a sort of "Flying Dutchman" of that universe, a mystery ship lost in space, full of secrets and maybe treasure?!


Just a giant fuckin' flying manta ray with a city on it's back that is also sort of alive?

And while I don't think there will be actual Spelljamming in Baldur's Gate 3, they are at least giving us a small taste/reference to it with this teaser trailer/cinematic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9yyRvAiXvc

Spelljammer was kickin' rad.

Just taking my big giant head for a spin

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Cythereal posted:

It's based on the Republic battleships from the Knights of the Old Republic video game series, which are quite a bit larger and have a lot more guns.

I like the MMO's iteration of the star destroyer, the Harrower class.




Yea i really like the 4 hangers, means you can launch a lot of fighters at once.

Bootcha posted:

Lest we forget the one time Valve Software almost made a space game.












These are

It makes me sad I have zero artistic talent because I have a bunch of ship designs in my head but i have zero ability to draw them without them looking like something I drew in the margin of my notebook in math class.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Brawnfire posted:

There's probably talented folk here who could render even your worst attempt at a thumbnail sketch into something awesome. I'd be willing to try, myself, though I'm not claiming to be amazing by any means, just that I'd give it a shot.

Maybe I will give it a shot. Art seems like magic to me, like when I watch Drawfee stuff Its just perplexing how such simple looking lines can come together to form an amazing image.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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I really need to go back to TOR before they shut it down and get a ship.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Oh great, I want to go back to my Chiss Bounty Hunter.

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Nov 21, 2003

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Linux Pirate posted:

Don't have a lot of info on this ship. Came from my disorganized Sci-Fi pics folder. Pretty sure it's Star Wars.



Anyway, looks cool.

That reminds me of this instragram account
https://www.instagram.com/spacegooose/

They make space ships out of ordinary objects.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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mind the walrus posted:

How else would you make them?

In class did you ever pretend an eraser with a paperclip stuck in it was a spaceship? Its that.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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GI Joe Missiles and rockets made good space ships too.

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Nov 21, 2003

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munce posted:


All of these.

Your buddy who is just a little too good with the Orz ship and its stupid turret.

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Nov 21, 2003

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reignofevil posted:

Hi there everybody! The thread tag felt like it really wasn't best set as shitpost so I've switched it up a bit! Let me know if anybody has a better idea for a thread tag!

Yea that was my fault, I forgot to select one before I posted the OP and I couldn't go back and edit it.

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Nov 21, 2003

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Yea its pretty cool that Stargate actually had humans learning from all the Alien Tech they found and made the Earth a galactic power. Especially at the end where the Asgard just give Humanity all of its knowlage. If Stargate ever comes back I hope they have this tech being available for consumers.

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Nov 21, 2003

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frogge posted:

I find the whole Earth turns into another empire just at an interstellar level schtick sadly realistic. There's some great sci fi stories to be told in that space, as The Expanse series shows, but I can't fault anyone wanting sci fi to be optimistic and being turned off by the grittiness of those settings.

Yea that's what I like, we would not let those drat aliens have tech that put them above us. We'd build our own murder ships and show them what's for.

Tighclops posted:

Halo's backstory is hilariously fashy and iirc later on in one of the 343 games when you meet the governor of the separatist colony he is a mustache twirling evil bastard.

What is fashy about a pretty bog standard ancient aliens plot about Humans are actually just a branch of the super aliens from the past

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