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whatis
Jun 6, 2012



Barudak posted:

The current argument is some people are saying its a fakeout of sorts and Ellie and her girlfriend both live but what I've seen of that cutscene is kind of stupid grisly so that may just be hopeful people

The above said lmao that a game thats trying to be about cycles of violence appears to have a pretty clear cut "the solution to cycles of violence is to kill everyone, absolutely goddamn everyone"

making a game about never-ending cycles of violence while forcing your devs to watch liveleak videos as research ftw

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Terminal autist
May 17, 2018


Oxxidation posted:

tlou: the painful
tlou2: the joyful

Mandrel
Sep 24, 2006



honestly as soon as I saw that dumbass cringey “TLOU2 is about hate” comment from Druckman I was out. when I said that combined with the gross sadistic first trailer made me not interested to play this game and concerned that this game’s story would just be edgy grimdark bullshit the posters jumped all over me.

on this day I am happy to be vindicated but mourn the loss of those brave posters who believed wrongly, but nevertheless so ardently in their cause. may they Rest In Peace

Cnidaria
Apr 10, 2009

It's all politics, Mike.



Post apocalyptic games about cycles of violence is already such a saturated space that you definitely need to bring something new to the table and it seems like naughty dog is just leaning into lovely tropes instead.

Like Nier and LISA are top tier games in this genre and I can't really see TLOU 2 doing anything to top them or set itself apart from other "cycles of violence" games in any way.

RBA Starblade
Apr 27, 2008

Going Home.



Cnidaria posted:

Like Nier and LISA are top tier games in this genre and I can't really see TLOU 2 doing anything to top them or set itself apart from other "cycles of violence" games in any way.

I bet the characters aren't dressed as fetish maids in TLOU2 for one

Cnidaria
Apr 10, 2009

It's all politics, Mike.



RBA Starblade posted:

I bet the characters aren't dressed as fetish maids in TLOU2 for one

I was thinking of the first Nier!!!

Although both games are obviously applicable

Mandrel
Sep 24, 2006



RBA Starblade posted:

I bet the characters aren't dressed as fetish maids in TLOU2 for one

not your fetish maybe

Brother Entropy
Dec 27, 2009



RBA Starblade posted:

I bet the characters aren't dressed as fetish maids in TLOU2 for one

drat, this game just sounds worse and worse

CrcleSqreSanchz
Aug 21, 2002

Policeman: "A hermit eh? Then why's your table set for four?"
Groucho: "That's nothing. My alarm clock is set for eight."

Lipstick Apathy

I got an idea for TLOU 3. It's a little out there but these games are all about breaking new ground storytelling wise. Okay here we go--

Picture. A fungi zombie apocalypse. But what if...WHAT IF...


Man


Was the real horror all along

*Drops mic*

Action Serious
Feb 2, 2009


I’ll probably buy the game and play it.

man nurse
Feb 17, 2014

Oh yeah, that guy is totally straight. I saw a whole thing about him on the VH1.

CrcleSqreSanchz posted:

I got an idea for TLOU 3. It's a little out there but these games are all about breaking new ground storytelling wise. Okay here we go--

Picture. A fungi zombie apocalypse. But what if...WHAT IF...


Man


Was the real horror all along

*Drops mic*

If only Robert Ebert were still alive to see how far games have come as an ART form

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008



RBA Starblade posted:

I bet the characters aren't dressed as fetish maids in TLOU2 for one

Naughty dog will never write a story as good as Nier or Nier automata

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Shitposting 24/7 without regrets. my parents would be proud.


Agent Escalus posted:

I'm hoping the unmarked leak that I saw when it got posted elsewhere is fake, because if the plot/main enemy of the game is a "Christian" group who goes around murdering anyone they deem sinners because they blame them for the outbreak, then gently caress that garbage, doubly so if the part about Ellie's lover getting killed for being gay and they kill Joel too and it turns out Ellie's mom was a member as well is accurate.

dina(ellies love) sounds like one of the few folks who lives through the game. its not going "bury gays here" trope at all apperently. it sounds more like they are doing a blood meridian type deal

RBA Starblade
Apr 27, 2008

Going Home.



The REAL Goobusters posted:

Naughty dog will never write a story as good as Nier or Nier automata

Well, let's hope not.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008



RBA Starblade posted:

I bet the characters aren't dressed as fetish maids in TLOU2 for one

Both games indulge in a fetish. It's just one happens to be silly and harmless.

CrcleSqreSanchz posted:

I got an idea for TLOU 3. It's a little out there but these games are all about breaking new ground storytelling wise. Okay here we go--

Picture. A fungi zombie apocalypse. But what if...WHAT IF...


Man

Practiced mutual aid and with their neighbors helped each other and built something new, something better from the rubble of the old world and it focused on the growing pains of adjusting to a new society, building class consciousness and reaching out to scared people who drift from one bad mistake to another. Also defending what you have from fascists who believe might makes right (but realistically groups like that would eat each other before becoming any coalesced threatening force).

But this will require the primary means of interacting the world be something other than violence.


I went the other direction that many post-apocalyptic games aren't very interested in treading.

fadam
Apr 23, 2008



I guess the problem is that it doesn’t matter how many people (myself included) cattily post in this thread making fun of how generic and lovely the leaked plot is because there are like a billion guys out there who are going to play this and do the soy face when they finally “get” the incredibly blunt messaging of the game. See the continued success of franchises like Westworld and Dad of War.

Basically, never put any faith in AAA western game writers.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007


Jimbot posted:

I went the other direction that many post-apocalyptic games aren't very interested in treading.

that's because it's cloying trash

fuckin Station Eleven

Pylons
Mar 16, 2009


This seems like a story that would work perfectly fine in a movie or a book but completely misses that the unique part of games as a storytelling medium is the player interactivity and ability for them to put themselves in the protagonist's shoes. I can't see any way the game goes "alright now kill ellie" and the first reaction of most players won't be "uhhh no?"

Brother Entropy
Dec 27, 2009



i thought everyone hated westworld now

RBA Starblade
Apr 27, 2008

Going Home.



fadam posted:

I guess the problem is that it doesn’t matter how many people (myself included) cattily post in this thread making fun of how generic and lovely the leaked plot is because there are like a billion guys out there who are going to play this and do the soy face when they finally “get” the incredibly blunt messaging of the game. See the continued success of franchises like Westworld and Dad of War.

Basically, never put any faith in AAA western game writers.

I don't know what this means and I think that's probably a good thing

fadam
Apr 23, 2008



RBA Starblade posted:

I don't know what this means and I think that's probably a good thing

I suspect you do know what it means but the horror of recognition has left you too stunned to form an actual response.

RBA Starblade
Apr 27, 2008

Going Home.



fadam posted:

I suspect you do know what it means but the horror of recognition has left you too stunned to form an actual response.

I do not.

What is a soy face?

Overbite
Jan 24, 2004




RBA Starblade posted:

I do not.

What is a soy face?

Imagine a man in his early 30s who is balding, has a beard and is wearing square rimmed glasses opening his mouth as wide as it will go while holding up a video game.

CJ
Jul 2, 2007
I HAVE SHIT TASTE AND CANNOT BE TRUSTED

According to google image search it's the face people make for their youtube video thumbnails.

fadam
Apr 23, 2008



RBA Starblade posted:

I do not.

What is a soy face?

Pretend like you’re playing a game that’s the exact opposite of Nier Automata then turn off your monitor.

RBA Starblade
Apr 27, 2008

Going Home.



fadam posted:

Pretend like you’re playing a game that’s the exact opposite of Nier Automata then turn off your monitor.

It's a happy smile got it

SunAndSpring
Dec 4, 2013


Jimbot posted:

Oh and I guess Abby is trans. Hella cool, Neil. Wanna know a common ultra right-wing conservative talking point about transgender folk? That they're mentally ill. Can't say they can't be villains but, uh, might want to not make the only transgender woman in the game the villain who is has murder lust for the last game's protagonists. Just saying. The optics are really poo poo here.

It is pretty pro that Naughty Dog did this big dance about being pro-LGBT+ but also , apart from Ellie's new girlfriend probably dying somewhere in the story, the villain is basically the conservative stereotype of what people think about trans women in that she is a hulking brute (like god drat just look at her) filled with anger, and is easily able to kill a cis man who is both extremely fit and also a combat veteran.

singateco
Jan 28, 2013


*watches Oldboy once* boy I have an idea for a game

fadam
Apr 23, 2008



I thought that was just a joke, she’s not actually trans?

am0kgonzo
Jun 18, 2010


i see we arrived at the part where we just imagine the worst possible thing that could happen to get angry about

the worst thing already happened and its joels death

am0kgonzo
Jun 18, 2010


who did nothing wrong

Al Cu Ad Solte
Nov 30, 2005
Searching for
a righteous cause


Kinda crackin' up at people being mad that the evil cult are supposedly christians as though turbo religious christian groups rounding up and murdering people, especially queer folk, isn't a thing that has happened and is currently happening around the world.

Rabid Snake posted:

What was wrong with uncharted 4? I thought that and The Lost Legecy were great

Lost Legacy whips rear end. Uncharted 4 is just tiresome and skips over what could have been a compelling setup to explore a fun character dynamic between Nate and Elena in favor of Adventuring Manchild Finally Grows Up. Like they really thought Nate lying to his wife to go on an adventure wasn't immediately eye rolling, as if anyone who has seen any movie ever or read any book didn't know Elena was going to find out about it, and then their relationship was going to be tested, and then they were going to get back together after Nate Learned A Lesson, yada fucken yada.

Also Nadine in U4 was peak "oh poo poo we need to have a strong female character" without actually understanding that you gotta, y'know, make a compelling character. Big surprise that she was g r e a t in Lost Legacy. Then you get whack rear end poo poo like Rafe saying that the Drake's "don't kill in cold blood" as though Nathan himself hasn't snapped 4,000 unsuspecting necks in a single game alone. I just got major Hauser brother vibes from U4, where the game was just a vehicle to tell this banal story and they begrungingly made the player interact with their movie sometimes.

Druckman was too busy working on TLoU2 to work on Lost Legacy so it has none of those problems and is actually a compelling adventure full of charm and whit. Whodathought.

Firstborn
Oct 14, 2012

Hope is a mistake


I sure as gently caress hope not.
Killing Joel - implicitly being the one to kill Joel is too loving far, sorry.

Zeta Acosta
Dec 16, 2019




I dont think the spoliers sound bad imo and i dont think the more outlandish ones are true trans evil character, christian bigot cult . But at the same time is really not an interesting story and im not interested in torture porn: the game specially if the core foundation is "humans are more bad than the mindless fungii zombie LOL"

then again the awful GOT season 8 spoilers were almost all true so who the gently caress knows

fadam
Apr 23, 2008



Al Cu Ad Solte posted:

Kinda crackin' up at people being mad that the evil cult are supposedly christians as though turbo religious christian groups rounding up and murdering people, especially queer folk, isn't a thing that has happened and is currently happening around the world.

I don’t think people are mad because they think it’s not realistic, they’re mad because it’s super low hanging fruit.

IMO, writing something to get a genuine, memorable reaction from a player is hard, and from all the leaks it looks like ND is going for it in the most gratuitous, lowest effort way imaginable.

RBA Starblade
Apr 27, 2008

Going Home.



I hope there's a post credits scene in like Egypt with everyone there asking what the big deal is

A Sometimes Food
Dec 8, 2010

Relinquish your foolish
delusions of control.





fadam posted:

I don’t think people are mad because they think it’s not realistic, they’re mad because it’s super low hanging fruit.

IMO, writing something to get a genuine, memorable reaction from a player is hard, and from all the leaks it looks like ND is going for it in the most gratuitous, lowest effort way imaginable.

There's definitely people losing their mind about "SJWs ruining the game" so no that's def part of it. Just not in this thread, and given how much dogshit there is in the leaks, I doubt they're the majority of people talking poo poo even if they are loud as usual.

SunAndSpring
Dec 4, 2013


fadam posted:

I thought that was just a joke, she’s not actually trans?

I have no idea what is real or fiction anymore in these times. Motherfuckers are drinking bleach because the US president said to these days, my brain is a loving sieve as a result of how poo poo has broken down.

If anyone has any real confirmation on it, that'd be great.

Thundercracker
Jun 25, 2004

Proudly serving the Ruinous Powers since as a veteran of the long war.


College Slice

If all the spoilers are true. Holy poo poo how much is Sony h.q. just making GBS threads themselves. Lol.

"They did WHAT with our IP?"

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fadam
Apr 23, 2008



Lmao I’m reading a bunch more stuff suggesting that Abby actually is trans. Maybe there actually is something to the theory that Libs really don’t understand progressive politics and just sort of ape them for clout.


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