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Well I guess Joel is dead! ...but not in the cool "he's a Battlestar Galactica hallucination" way like I hoped
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Honestly, after they backstabbed Amy Hennig and completely buried that sexual harassment allegation, maybe they need to clean house at the top
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Apr 27, 2020 10:18
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Everything I had seen before this made TLoU2 look to be relentlessly cynical, wallowing in misery to prove It Should Be Taken Seriously, so I am not really surprised by any of the leaks. It is the product of jaundiced minds
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Apr 27, 2020 18:54
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Like I don't think the kind of story they want to tell, in general, is completely off limits. The issue is that Funny Games is focused and less than two hours, it's not something that's 20 hours of combat arenas with sick execution animations interspersed with box-pushing puzzles
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Apr 27, 2020 19:26
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The first episode they had the actor who played Joel's daughter on as a guest and poo poo got real right away
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Apr 27, 2020 19:36
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RBA Starblade posted:My favorite will always be Human Revolution's, where everyone learns that Elias's not putting on a voice, he actually just sounds like that. I saw that dude doing a guest role on a sci-fi tv show and thought "Well that was not how I expected that actor to look like at all"
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Apr 27, 2020 19:40
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holy poo poo at least I feel partially vindicated, the truthers were basically correct if that first incident happens super early
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Apr 27, 2020 20:57
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Yeah I am not ready to jump whole hog into literary critique of the details without the whole picture of the story beyond broad outlines, there has been some confirmation of odious thematic elements but those were obvious from the first reveal trailer. I am totally here for the corporate drama and hope we learn more about what mismanagement went on, if this was at its core a worker retaliation incident like the rumors are saying
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Apr 28, 2020 01:38
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tithin posted:Can someone point us to an article about what's going on with the corporate culture at naughty dog people keep referring to https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1238105082597687296 https://twitter.com/GameAnim/status/1238199242256052224 https://twitter.com/dbal/status/919284577566412801?lang=en
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Apr 28, 2020 02:13
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It would be pretty sad/hilarious if Naughty Dog managed to design a character that made literally every segment of their audience unhappy for different reasons
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Apr 28, 2020 07:43
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Oxxidation posted:nier automata did it, sort of Basically any time Naughty Dog or Quantic Dream think they're doing something groundbreaking narratively, a Japanese designer did it years ago with a third of the budget
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Apr 28, 2020 19:06
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Yeah I have doubts because how would it even come up in the story as outlined
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Apr 28, 2020 19:09
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Ruflux posted:I forgot this game had some absolutely terrible DLC Pay 99 cents to get a new revolver execution animation where your opponent flails around for an extra second
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Apr 28, 2020 19:18
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Oxxidation posted:the relative value of optimistic/pessimistic media aside, going by those spoilers i still wouldn't give credit for tlou2 for any kind of grander artistic merit even if it is relentlessly grim, no more than i would for something like outlast 2 The latter point is what really bugs me about Naughty Dog's approach, it's like they consider abstraction or remove to be a limitation rather than a tool that can be used to center psychology or existential dread. Instead they have chosen "realistic ultraviolence" to signal Serious Intent and regardless of theme I don't really get much out of that
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Apr 28, 2020 20:15
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precision posted:Telephone spoiler summaries are always gonna be extremely suspect, and doing a switch to Abby is so drastic that I feel like it kind of has to be done fairly well. Amy Hennig's version would have been better. Seems like there's a common denominator between the projects
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Apr 28, 2020 20:41
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Stux posted:from joels perspective they are going to find a cure from ellie and he is acting purely out of self interest, and not only that he is doing it because of his own cowardice in continuing to take her to them for what he knew was going to happen. then compounded on him massacring everyone in there, he refuses to even take a possible step towards any sort of redemption in his character by just lying to ellie when she already knew the truth and just wanted him to say it. he sucks and its good he dies in 2 regardless of anything else. This is why I have been a firm believer in the "Joel is Dead" theory since the reveal trailer (I was never joking about this) and the earlier he dies in LoU2 the better Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Wnvvj33Wo Galaxy brains knew Joel was Dead
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Apr 28, 2020 23:57
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Dramicus posted:drat, that, uh made me a bit uncomfortable. I play loads of violent video games, but there's something about this kind of violence that's crossing into torture porn territory or something. It definitely is torture porn
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Apr 29, 2020 02:37
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Stux posted:yeah on the gross scale its around tomb raider and doesnt hit the level of some of the new MK stuff for me Like I am not really into MK and from what I heard they had similar issues with animators getting hosed up from needing to watch a bunch of violent reference material. But there it almost just pushes into cartoon slapstick, especially with them popping back up in the next round. Last of Us is all about "THIS IS REAL-LIFE PAIN"
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Apr 29, 2020 02:56
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The actual physical violence affects me less than the realistic reactions that accompany it. Like with Tomb Raider the actual stabbing or bludgeoning is less traumatizing than the amount of detail they put into depicting the reaction of fear and panic and then the life draining from her eyes, and the camera like lingers on that. Same with Last of Us, where their "special" execution animations feature the person thrashing or begging for their life before they get domed
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Apr 29, 2020 03:09
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Stux posted:mad max takes itself very seriously which is why it works, even when you have people playing a big fire guitar and swinging around on poles and spraying chrome on their teeth the movie is taking itself completely seriously while doing so and the actual plot of the movies, especially the first and fury road, are treated with absolutely no levity. Yeah the Mad Max movies are absolutely more successful in building compelling emotional experiences through their action than The Last of Us (and from what we've seen, Last of Us 2)
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Apr 29, 2020 19:15
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I hope that reasoning behind the leak is true. It would also shut up the folks that were like "Think of Naughty Dog, this only hurts everyone, direct action is too extreme"
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Apr 30, 2020 01:20
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Hibbloes posted:Goes out of her way not to kill her? Have you seen the cutscene? That happening to anyone is like the beginning of their revenge story Aren't there two incidents: the Abby kills Joel scene happens early and Abby almost kills Ellie and Dina is the dramatic turn at the end of the story
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Apr 30, 2020 01:37
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Brother Entropy posted:there wasn't really any major reason to hate raiden upon his introduction beyond 'he's not snake' so i dunno if that's a fair comparison From what I remember at the time there was a bunch of grousing about having to play such an "unmanly" character who had emotions and relationship problems, the bait-and-switch probably exacerbated those feelings
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Apr 30, 2020 03:20
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Joel says he basically did what the bandits did and then you see what the bandits do for hours. Did you need a flashback to him torturing a pregnant woman
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Apr 30, 2020 03:53
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Jason Schreier states that he believes this leak origin narrative to be false and that for all of ND's faults, he does not have evidence of pay withholding https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1255974873047891968
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Apr 30, 2020 22:45
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Cuntellectual posted:A lot of people don't realize it, but the actual interesting gameplay relating to sand isn't shooting the setpieces, it's firing and grenading sand on the ground to create clouds of sand as impromptou cover that lets you play more aggressively than your extremely low health would initially indicate, as well as impairing better armed enemies. The animation where enemies begged for their lives before you impaled them?
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May 1, 2020 02:44
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Sassy Sasquatch posted:Thanks, that was a pro click. I had no idea Gustavo went that far with composing the first game’s music but it makes a ton of sense in retrospect. Gustavo fuckin' owns and honestly it looks like that E3 performance is gonna be the best thing to emerge from the sequel, smh at all the people on streams at that time going "who is this old dude"
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May 1, 2020 19:10
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precision posted:I could have sworn that Bear McReary did the music, since TLOU came out during that period of time when he did the soundtrack for literally everything (not that he isn't great at it!) You're thinking of his work on the other grumpy murder dad game, God of War
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May 1, 2020 20:22
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Druckmann is probably eager to see real actors begging for mercy before having their eyes gouged out
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May 1, 2020 22:14
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Zeta Acosta posted:he drove a female women out of the studio, silenced and fired a woman who suffered sexual abuse and put his studio through crunch hell for this game Unless there's another one, the person who filed the sexual harassment complaint was a man but yes otherwise true
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May 1, 2020 23:49
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Stux posted:agreed its extremely unrealistic, might as well make up a group of humans who during a global pandemic completely refuse to take protective measures and protest in favor of doing things that will objectively make things worse and cause people to get sick and die. it would be unbelievable that humans would act in such a pointless and thoughtless way. *looks in a mirror* Are we... the Last of Us? 
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May 2, 2020 00:07
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Cuntellectual posted:Didn't the first last of us sell DLC executions, lol Yes. Getting all the ones in this video would be $10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE1YtrIRZuc
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May 3, 2020 20:13
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I remember after the White House blamed video games for mass shootings again, Games for Change made a montage of "Games are Art" clips and they included the giraffes from the first game lol
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May 4, 2020 00:23
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The lesson to be learned from both TLOU games is not confusing "high production values" for "artistic quality," something plainly obvious in most other media besides this one
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May 4, 2020 02:11
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ImpAtom posted:You're absolutely kidding yourself if you don't think that is the case in other forms of media. The films that win the Best Picture Oscar are very rarely the genuinely best films of the year but more often the ones with the highest production values and marketing budget, but they still get recognized as 'one of the best films of all time.' A significant part of the critical establishment in cinema recognizes the Academy Awards as pure politics and celebrity worship, which is why indie and art cinema are recognized as spaces with clearer artistic voices Harry Potter is rightfully mocked as garbage literature now mostly known for "wizards poo poo themselves" and "liberals applying this book to every political context."
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May 4, 2020 02:29
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The moment when one realizes art is not an ontologically static category but an unending battlefield for different social groups vying for prestige is an eye-opening one
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May 4, 2020 04:08
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Do we still have to post spoiler content under spoiler bars This whole setup just makes things feel more illicit than necessary
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May 4, 2020 17:58
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I just rewatched the second TLOU2 trailer now that we know who those characters are and yeah it's a very Last House on the Left reveling in the violence -- hanged disemboweled people, lingering on holding down the character while someone takes a hammer to the elbows, drawing out seeing someone getting hanged
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May 4, 2020 23:48
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Heavy Metal posted:Fighting Godzilla baddies, wandering the lands getting buddies, ninjas etc? That's the bread and butter for me. The epic speeches on the airship? The later stuff was well done I feel. Though like with anything, so many games have felt similar since then (Tales of Symphonia etc), it might feel a bit samey in hindsight or something like that. I have no complaints with it though myself. 
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My read on LOU's ending was that Ellie is not dumb and knew exactly what happened, but wanted to give Joel a chance to talk about it. With his lie, he declined, and they both end up not talking about it. LOU2 looks like it will probably use GhostJoel to hash out the things they never actually talked about
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