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Question to whoever from Naughty Dog is reading this thread, would you say this is better or worse than the execution videos
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# ¿ May 25, 2020 18:55 |
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# ¿ Apr 26, 2024 15:36 |
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It's not so much the surprise of the twist but rather the tension or mystery that precedes the twist imo.
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# ¿ May 26, 2020 02:50 |
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With that said if they're threatening spurious legal action I'm all for spiting their stupid bad game. Return FYAD to the forum index just so its title can once again be a spoiler
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# ¿ May 26, 2020 02:56 |
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There are definitely things that are informative or fulfilling to engage in in spite of not being fun. "Contrived videogame scenario where you are forced to kill someone's dog every few minutes" does not, immediately, seem like one of those things to me.
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# ¿ May 28, 2020 13:34 |
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There's no direct payoff but reviewers are entirely dependent on the goodwill of games developers. Doubt the guy who strongly suggested that they shouldn't have made this game in his closing paragraph is getting advanced access to review ND's next title.
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# ¿ Jun 12, 2020 15:04 |
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ImpAtom posted:It is okay for a game to be unpleasant. People fall over themselves to recommend LISA for example despite it being genuinely a depressing experience. Some folks will swear by Drakengard despite it being a game that hates you. In fact it got two sequels and two spinoffs all of which feature protagonists who could be classified as villains.
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# ¿ Jun 12, 2020 16:42 |
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Honestly I'd prefer for the game not to be successful just so it isn't taken as a positive case study for grinding your employees to dust during the production of a game.
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# ¿ Jun 12, 2020 21:30 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Hey guys, what if this game is actually good?
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# ¿ Jun 12, 2020 22:05 |
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quote:In an interview with GQ, director Neil Druckmann described feelings the studio was hoping to evoke in players, specifically tied to feelings of guilt or regret relating to the violent acts Ellie commits.
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# ¿ Jun 16, 2020 17:38 |
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I don't think this is an Andromeda or Anthem situation, the game looks and plays OK and has a reasonable amount of content. It's just the writing isn't anywhere close to what the rapturous early reviews and developer interviews promised.
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# ¿ Jun 20, 2020 18:59 |
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To me having a group of insanely evil assholes who have to be slaughtered en-masse seems at odds with the 'revenge bad, consider the humanity of your enemies' theme. Like what if Joel's killer happened to be from one of the groups of irredeemable fuckers? Guess cross country revenge would've been good and cool then, it was just Ellie's bad luck that the killer was not a completely awful person?
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# ¿ Jun 22, 2020 15:17 |
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I think 'is it OK to kill one person to save many people' and 'is it OK to kill a bunch of people to save one person you care about' are both famously contentious moral topics
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# ¿ Jun 23, 2020 16:16 |
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I think you could argue a reasonable number of gang related conflicts are a result of a series of reprisal killings
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# ¿ Jun 28, 2020 02:31 |
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The title is clickbait but the actual video is more measured and I think it does a decent job of articulating why the characters actions don't make much sense. It contrasts the believable and well depicted scenes of grief with the absurd mass murder revenge quests the characters launch into.
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# ¿ Jun 30, 2020 00:49 |
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bobjr posted:Ellie does resolve to only go after Abby, and ignoring gameplay her friend tend to be already dead or openly provoke her into killing them.
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# ¿ Jun 30, 2020 09:42 |
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:He confirms Israel-Palestine was the catalyst inspiration for the story specifically seeing Israelis be lynched when he was young and being angry and then getting older and seeing the event from a different perspective. (at about 10:30) punk rebel ecks posted:#2 Scars is just plain evil. They are basically the Khmer Rouge. And the game makes it clear that Abby and others dislike them because they don't "stay on their island".
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# ¿ Jun 30, 2020 10:01 |
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There is room to criticise Joel but I think his motivations are far more justifiable than the personal desire for revenge that drives both TLoU2 protagonists.
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# ¿ Jul 1, 2020 11:00 |
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smoobles posted:ahhh you're right the cult of child rapists who torture apostates by cutting out their intestines while they're still alive are the good guys, thank you Goon for pointing this out
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# ¿ Jul 1, 2020 15:57 |
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Indecisive posted:oh but joel doing it just cuz he feels like it is perfectly normal right? what happened to its ok because it's necessary to survive in the post apocalypse?
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# ¿ Jul 1, 2020 17:22 |
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Fallen Hamprince posted:The 'they kill to many henchmen' thing feels a lot like watching a musical and complaining about how it doesn't make sense that all these chimney sweeps can sing and dance like trained professionals. Plus in most cases you don't have to kill anyone; it's entirely possible to sneak through and that's probably the most story-consistent way to play the game considering Ellie isn't a space marine and couldn't plausibly take down whole squads of enemies over and over again.
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# ¿ Jul 2, 2020 15:59 |
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It's pretty clear to me that the reviewer meant there's a lack of beats where characters examine why they're still on a revenge rampage while it's in progress. The fact that the rampage ends just before it reaches its intended target doesn't change that.
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# ¿ Jul 3, 2020 11:16 |
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Does playing with the dog that you already killed earlier in the game really qualify as a "moment of levity"
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# ¿ Jul 5, 2020 14:15 |
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I really liked the structure of Yakuza 0, both storylines were interesting and it was cool how they came together.
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# ¿ Jul 5, 2020 15:05 |
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The gameplay can be enjoyed as its own thing but plenty of people (even people who liked the game) have pointed out that it's completely at odds with the storyline that treats killing people as a serious line crossed rather than something you've done hundreds of times already.
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# ¿ Jul 6, 2020 14:03 |
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In general I have a lot more sympathy for stories about LGBT suffering if they explore actual difficulties people face or examine society's attitudes. As opposed to eg a story where the cult the writers made up wants to use a trans man as a breeder slave.
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# ¿ Jul 14, 2020 17:09 |
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Nier: Automata is the first thing that springs to mind e: Automata spoiler: It also fits the "Are there any other games where you play as someone who killed your previous protagonist" question someone asked a while back but I couldn't find a way to bring it up without spoiling the game Irony Be My Shield fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Jul 20, 2020 |
# ¿ Jul 20, 2020 12:58 |
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# ¿ Apr 26, 2024 15:36 |
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paper mario: the thousand-year door
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# ¿ Jul 20, 2020 14:00 |