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mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.


kraken! posted:

I'm not going to dispute the superficial resemblance of reality to Idiocracy, but I can't hear that moivies name and not kneejerk rant about how much I hate the premise of that movie.

The whole poo poo about humanity as a whole becoming less intelligent because 'that trailer trash wont stop makin' more kids while poor smart upper middle class people get worked to the bone and only have one kid' is just frothing disdain for poor people with no opportunities built on the lie that intelligence is being educated and just completely not understanding how evolution works. Like, education and intelligence are different things! Success in education is predicated on wealth and race and gender, plus all the second order effects from those things, and then probably the loving zodiac before intelligence has an impact. I say this as an idiot with a degree that people think sounds like a smart person thing, but was mostly just a lot of work. Work that I was able to do because I had financial support, family support and pressure to get a secondary education, and because no one ever questioned that a white dude belonged in an engineering department. I certainly didn't inherit smart genes from my parents, amply demonstrated by both the fact that they're dumb enough to believe Idiocracy's premise, and the fact that I was dumb enough to enlist in the military. I vaguely remember that I used to have an evolutionary biology part of this rant about how the trailer park guy with multiple kids from multiple partners has more diverse progeny with greater possibilities for beneficial gene combinations than the monogamous couple, but I don't remember enough of it to make it clearly. Something about a zillion different genes being weakly linked to intelligence. In any case, the better biology based criticism is that (tell me if I'm wrong here) the leading hypotheses about things that lead to intelligence are bigger social groups and metacognitive behaviors like lying. And that guy in the trailer park absolutely owns bones at both of those in that dumb goddamn montage. He interacts with way more people, is able to form a substantial number of relationships intimate enough to be sexual, and he clearly exhibits dishonest behaviors. If aliens showed up out of nowhere my money is 100% on them making human-alien hybrids with the trailer park guy because hes the most intelligent, which I believe will be supported by my future research on the distribution of UFO sightings by average number of sexual partners by zip code (pending 2020 census).

In short, the premise of the movie Idiocracy is clearly being narrated by the dumbest person in the stupid future. Also if you're a creepy IT guy lamenting that humanity is gonna get dumb because no one will have sex with you, please stop starting conversations with me about idiocracy tia

Idiocracy’s yuppies/smart people didn’t fail to have kids because they were overworked; the sample couple they use at the beginning kept putting it off until their lives and external conditions met a fussy list of minimal standards which fail to materialize. Judge was doing the same thing he did with King of the Hill; mourning the absence of “good” decent Main Street culture helming the American ship. The trashy people gently caress too much, the useless smarty pants liberal yuppies don’t gently caress at all and the no frills salt of the earth guy hangs out in a basement slacking instead of being the kind of leader you could have a beer with. Though he uses IQ as a qualifier in the movie a lot, he’s really pissing and moaning that the useless rich and depraved poor aren’t being kept in line by decent normal folk, because those who should fill that role need to grow up and take their place, bound by tradition and holding the cultural line.
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I agree with OP and transmet is the future.

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
how about we just not have the toilet cthulhu

Remain Indoors

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008


“I’ll have to get you to excuse me, my friend, I ain’t no hat-rack.”

Fun Shoe

what if it turns out to be necroscope

SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

She's delusional,
"where's god", etc.
Completely suicidal.
One day she snaps.
She wants to kill herself
but she realizes that
teen suicide is out this year
and homicide is a much healthier therapeutic expression.


People always criticize Idiocracy's premise in a way that's like criticizing Ghostbusters because ghosts don't exist. It probably would have been better if the movie just never explained why everyone in the future was so stupid, even if only because so many people wouldn't take it so seriously.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011


SidneyIsTheKiller posted:

People always criticize Idiocracy's premise in a way that's like criticizing Ghostbusters because ghosts don't exist. It probably would have been better if the movie just never explained why everyone in the future was so stupid, even if only because so many people wouldn't take it so seriously.

Well it could have helped if the premise of the film wasn't the premise of racialist eugenics.

kraken!
Nov 25, 2005


Fun Shoe

Fish of hemp posted:

Well it could have helped if the premise of the film wasn't the premise of racialist eugenics.

Adding to this, idk what Ghostbusters is asking but it isn't "what would happen if ghosts were real?" Idiocracy is shouting on a streetcorner "what if society is getting dumber and the only way to stop it is to stop poor people from loving?!" while wearing a sign that reads

mysterious frankie posted:

trashy people gently caress too much, the useless smarty pants liberal yuppies don’t gently caress at all and the no frills salt of the earth guy hangs out in a basement slacking instead of being the kind of leader you could have a beer with.

so even if you get rid of the sign, it will remain a gross movie.

Also OP the future is going to be The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch. Inhospitably hot Earth? Yep. Forced exile to even more inhospitable colonies? That too. Commercialized communal psychadelic barbie experience to escape the misery? You know it! Mars sucks and has psychic coyotes? Oh yeah. Pretty much everything except the part where truffles replace money sounds accurate to me.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009



Nap Ghost

I haven't seen that movie, although I've seen bits and pieces of it. What gets me is that it seems completely unnecessary to explain the problem with eugenics. You can just say societies getting dumber, whether that's true or not, because it is, without saying that it's because the wrong people are having babies.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.


kraken! posted:

so even if you get rid of the sign, it will remain a gross movie.

No def. I’m just saying that if you get hung up on judge’s use of IQ- which literally everyone does- you miss his pretty consistent social philosophy, which is that the geniuses and dummies are two extremes of a degenerate spectrum, and the only truly moral people that can save the world are, I guess, the adults he grew up around in the suburbs. Silicon Valley is sorta the sister to Idiocracy, showing what Judge thinks happens when the intellectuals have too much control over levers of power (takes place in Silicon Valley because west coast stemlords with more money than sense is the closest he really gets to “intellectual” circles). It’s all kinda fascist, like what Judge really wants is a strong daddy class- dressed like IBM cubicle drones during the day and Hank Hill at night- maintaining our culture and industry and giving people like himself a place to play and gently subvert.

kraken!
Nov 25, 2005


Fun Shoe

Yeah I wasn't trying to disagree with your take at all, especially since you seem like you know way more about Mike Judge and his work than I do. I just quoted you to appreciate that you were more accurate and succinct about the whole deal.

Bucnasti
Aug 14, 2012

Listen to him, men. He's just crazy enough to do it!


Idiocracy but they replace the prologue with the final scene from Planet of the Apes only to pan up to the Statue of Liberty and it has Trump's face on it.

But really it's Transmetropolitan. There are so many little subtle things about that setting that were so prescient.

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005
THIS CUSTOM TITLE WILL COME IN HANDY WHILE LURKING


The sign's are all pointing to the Fourth Stimpire. Of course we'll need to get through stimpires one through three first.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.


kraken! posted:

Yeah I wasn't trying to disagree with your take at all, especially since you seem like you know way more about Mike Judge and his work than I do. I just quoted you to appreciate that you were more accurate and succinct about the whole deal.

I’m a real judgehead.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

STOP BEING EVIL.


Battle Angel Alita, except instead of whatever weird confusing thing that happens when Alita gets to Tipheres, Tipheres is just kind of a shithole that is marginally further away from where they dump their trash.

The wealthy will certainly try to abandon the planet to maintain their own utopia up above.

It won't work. They'll have damned themselves on this world with the rest of us.

If it does work, they'll recreate the same horrible conditions that destroyed the Earth in the first place, because they'd have to fundamentally change in order to change their course, and nobody who can afford to create that sort of thing is going to try hammering out social equality in their new paradise.

More realistically, Pikachu's Electric Boogaloo, the issue where there's just an entire city that sunk into the sea, and it's not really explained or worried about in any way, just well that city's gone and you gotta go diving for the old stuff. There's fancy technology like robot suits and computers with holographic displays that you can fit in your pocket, but they don't make the world any better in any meaningful way, just a little different.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006



It's definitely not most people, but there is a weird stripe of people who want a Violence Jack kind-of world in every corner of the globe and it's frightening.

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

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Since this is phrased as "franchise" then I guess the answer is "The Twilight Zone," as the episode "The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street" is exactly what is happening right now but replace aliens with a virus

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docbeard
Jul 18, 2011

Modern worldly poster

At the moment The Naked Sun is starting to feel a bit prescient.

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