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Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

I hate what this country has become.

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bird cooch
Jan 19, 2007


Proud Christian Mom posted:

i cant even get people to learn some lessons from 2016 let alone get them to give a poo poo about the great depression

This but the Spanish flu.

Riot Carol Danvers
Jul 30, 2004

It's super dumb, but I can't stop myself. This is just kind of how I do things.


Woofer posted:

I’m admittedly stupid and didn’t know what work sets you free was referencing so I’m here to say the history curriculum in this country sucks

I went to school in rural Georgia (in a town of less than a thousand) and we covered it.

I will say I was extra lucky in high school to have a history teacher who gave a poo poo and to this day wants students to learn actual history and not redneck "states rights" history.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007






Biscuit Hider

Syrian Lannister posted:

I hate what this country has become.

I'm coming up on two decades of federal service and in that time have developed a lot of contempt for both the government that pays me and the people I nominally serve.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


Syrian Lannister posted:

I hate what this country has become.

Just because the leadership is hosed doesn't mean that the country is hosed.

Actually, it probably is, but the good people will go down fighting.

https://twitter.com/JasonGregor/sta...293766958206976

Edit: At the risk of spoiling the joke, because the picture is so good:

https://twitter.com/DWUhlfelderLaw/...293755247824896

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

There's only one prescription for Nazism and it's 76mm HVAP


Ultra Carp

Cugel the Clever posted:

What's always confused me is the folks I've known who dismiss history as boring, but then can recount the entirety of the extended history of Middle Earth. Sure there's no magic and fantasy creatures in real history, but it's full of insane drama that is often super compelling.

I think that when it comes to any kind of education, you have to make people want to learn, and one of the easiest ways is to give them a personal connection. Stories like Lord of the Rings or Star Wars resonate because they have compelling characters we can attach ourselves to and root for, on top of cool fantasy/sci-fi environments and mystical storytelling. History, likewise, is filled with all kinds of tales and sagas that are incredibly interesting and compelling, but because we insist on teaching for tests and arbitrary benchmarks everything that would make people want to learn more about it is lost. To take it in the opposite direction, if you were told to teach someone about Star Wars, but you had to tell them what year the Death Star was blown up, why Palpatine dissolved the Imperial Senate, and what factors lead to the Rebel victory over Endor, and there was a test on the end where their score was seen as an objective reflection of how good you are as a teacher, you'd run into the exact same problems.

Of course, what makes the problem even worse is how important understanding history is to understanding the world we live in—and even more importantly, having a nuanced understanding of history, and proper methods for finding out things you don't already know.

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


My world history teacher was from Boston who served 20 years in navy intelligence before becoming a southern high school football coach who taught history on the side. He had a way of making every class a story instead of a list of facts. He also dunked hard on the states rights kids when we got to the Atlantic slave trade.

He's also one of the two vets who told me I was a loving idiot for wanting to throw away a college scholarship to enlist after 9-11. Thank Yahweh, Christ, Allah, Vishnu, Ahura Mazda, Loki, Quetzalcoatl etc. That I listened to them instead of my chud uncles who apparently still tell the family I'm not a real man because I didn't enlist in the marines.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?


Syrian Lannister posted:

I hate what this country has become.

become?

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011
Chelsea Manning is a goddamned HERO


I'm enjoying watching moron right wingers take to the streets on a socialist holiday. Gloomtube is up and running.

I walked to downtown and back today and didn't see any commotion or protesters, which is surprising given how conservative Colorado Springs is.

I've started incentivizing long weekly walks with a reward of buying weed. It's a good system, and no one gives a gently caress if you smoke a joint while walking around in public.

Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~


What number press secretary are they up to now? 4? 5?

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011
Chelsea Manning is a goddamned HERO


To think people wanted daily press briefings back, and we just had a solid month of Trump doing them. You'd think we've suffered enough already.

Woofer
Mar 2, 2020


Radical 90s Wizard posted:

What number press secretary are they up to now? 4? 5?

I would bet $5 that Sean Spicer was the first, but would not be at all surprised if I lost that bet (and why I would only bet $5).

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

If Godzilla can do it, you know I can deliver!

Pillbug

Basticle posted:

not to defend these idiots but thats not blackface

Given the crowd and the intent, its blackface dude.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011
Chelsea Manning is a goddamned HERO


Woofer posted:

I would bet $5 that Sean Spicer was the first, but would not be at all surprised if I lost that bet (and why I would only bet $5).

You'd win that one. Spicy was the first trump press secretary.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?


Outdoor loving starts today

Suicide Watch
Sep 8, 2009


CRUSTY MINGE posted:

You'd win that one. Spicy was the first trump press secretary.

Don't forget the mooch

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010


We real cool. We
Left school. We

Lurk late. We
Strike straight. We

Sing sin. We
Thin gin. We

Jazz June. We
Die soon.



What have you done

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011
Chelsea Manning is a goddamned HERO


Suicide Watch posted:

Don't forget the mooch

I don't remember who filled the gap, but I remember the mooch. Saw him giving an interview on SkyNews one day (stream on youtube) like, three weeks ago. It was weird.

I really couldn't tell you who else besides those two and shucks.

Oh, and Canada banned assault style weapons.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/worl...trnd/index.html

CRUSTY MINGE fucked around with this message at 20:43 on May 1, 2020

Woofer
Mar 2, 2020


Is Mooch still the shortest term press sec for this admin?

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Be polite. Be professional. But be prepared to PARTAYYY!

Fun Shoe

Woofer posted:

Is Mooch still the shortest term press sec for this admin?

Yeah

That Works
Jul 21, 2006


Fun Shoe

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

I don't remember who filled the gap, but I remember the mooch. Saw him giving an interview on SkyNews one day (stream on youtube) like, three weeks ago. It was weird.

I really couldn't tell you who else besides those two and shucks.

Oh, and Canada banned assault style weapons.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/worl...trnd/index.html

I dont think Mooch was press sec, I think he was comms director. I could be wrong.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011
Chelsea Manning is a goddamned HERO


He was acting press sec, that I remember.

Ah, the stars that burn the brightest and all that jazz.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
(__|\\\\)

Taco Defender

Midjack posted:

The Memento approach to a history class is something I kicked around too but like you could never come up with a way to present it that wouldn’t lose half the students.

Not to mention the permission slips for the body tattoos and awkward field trips.



RE: Not knowing a phrase from history. I wouldn't put knowing that phrase in the top 10% of important information from the Holocaust, or from WW2, or from the year 1945. That snippet, in and of itself, will have tremendous meaning for some individuals because of the trauma or empathy with the trauma. For many others, that they recall that piece of information due to a particularly effective lecture, the luck of being interested at the time it was given, or it having been reinforced through active recall or sufficient exposure to encourage long term memory. I cannot be mad at someone anecdotally not recognizing a phrase (make a statistic out of it, and then we can start to investigate whether its indicative of a failure).

Imagine a doctor that cannot remember the name of the disease that ails you. That doctor bites his lip, wrestles with the memory, shakes his head and then looks it up. "Ah, [i]metaphor syndrome[i]," he says embarrassed, then proceeds to prescribe medication that cures your illness. That's still a good doctor, though it may shake the patient's confidence. What we have here are people willing towrite down slogans on a sign that they heard online or someone told them to write, and take them into public without investigating those slogans. Even this was once conceivably a bridge to far, if you had to go down to the library, go into the stacks, and try to find a book with the title, "Almanac of Terrible Slogans Linked to Human Atrocity To Never Reuse Less you Look Like a Nazi." But that's not the price for investigation any more. Type it into the chrome bar on your cell phone--you don't even have hit tab any more.

The failure here isn't that they don't have in their recall a translation of a phrase put to terrible purpose. It's that they don't know enough to look things up before they accept them or that they have been rendered unable to care.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMPIN' ON INTO THE POWER LINES

Exciting Lemon

Doc Hawkins posted:

wow can we please tone down the guillotine jokes

https://twitter.com/dril/status/922321981?s=20

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus

Doc Hawkins posted:

wow can we please tone down the guillotine jokes

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007






Biscuit Hider


Nice glory hole.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


The first response is "Orange County is the Florida of California"

https://twitter.com/nbcsandiego/sta...311846123917313

And it's a reminder that even though 80% support the lockdowns, 20% is still a lot of stupid loving people and of course they're the ones least likely to mask up.

Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~


Based on my knowledge of people from Huntington Beach (Tito Ortiz ) they arent exactly the smartest people around.

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.

I live in OC. It's amazing to see the difference in San Diego and LA counties compared to here. There are a lot of businesses and residents who are taking this very seriously. But the loving beach crowds are like the chuds of OC. The county commissioners voted to keep the county beaches open which caused the governor to (rightly) step in.

1100 deaths LA county
149 deaths Riverside county
120 deaths San Diego county
145 deaths Orange county

It's not like we aren't right next in line if LA blows up like NYC.

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus

OC sucks. I do not miss working and living there.

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

Midjack posted:

I'm coming up on two decades of federal service and in that time have developed a lot of contempt for both the government that pays me and the people I nominally serve.

21 years in local government in July.

Brute Squad
Dec 20, 2006

Laughter is the sun that drives winter from the human race






Dinosaur Gum

A play in 4 acts. Maine has extended the shut down of restaurant dining rooms until June 1st, but takeout and delivery are still an option.

https://twitter.com/WorstBeerBlog/s...312501068640261
https://twitter.com/WorstBeerBlog/s...312033957445639
https://twitter.com/hannah_dineen/s...341903173394433
https://twitter.com/beerbabe/status/1256361605035700226

You hate to see it.

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

What, Me Worry?


Shutter it. Board up the windows, bar the doors.

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

THIS DUDE HERE IS A REAL CLOWN


I know what arbeit macht frei means and where it's from, but I don't know why I know. I'm sure it wasn't from the minimal history classes I took. Now I wouldn't want to unnecessarily paint anyone in a negative light here, and I'm not certain this is the case, but I wonder if I picked it up from some front page articles like Photoshop Phriday?

e: vvv To clarify, I know that, I just don't know why I know it. It must have been something I picked up on the Internet somehow, and I'm going to blame SA.

Buttcoin purse fucked around with this message at 11:54 on May 2, 2020

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade




Buttcoin purse posted:

I know what arbeit macht frei means and where it's from, but I don't know why I know. I'm sure it wasn't from the minimal history classes I took. Now I wouldn't want to unnecessarily paint anyone in a negative light here, and I'm not certain this is the case, but I wonder if I picked it up from some front page articles like Photoshop Phriday?

It's best known as a phrase posted on a placard that was posted on top of the gates into Auschwitz.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005



TFW when you get fired the first day of class for telling kids history is about how rich assholes get everyone to go along with whatever dumb poo poo they cooked up and that history class is how rich assholes get them to go along with whatever stupid bullshit they're cooking up

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

Somewhat of a palate cleanser, from Bloomberg

quote:

Angry Undergrads Are Suing Colleges for Billions in Refunds
Bob Van Voris and Janet Lorin 2 hrs ago

(Bloomberg) -- College students, kicked off campus by the coronavirus, have a new extracurricular activity: litigation.


U.S. undergraduates have sued more than 50 schools, demanding partial tuition, room-and-board and fee refunds after they shut down.

The proliferating breach-of-contract suits, many of them filed over the last week, target some of the biggest names in higher education: state systems including the University of California and Arizona State, as well as private institutions such as Columbia, Cornell and New York University.

The students’ lawyers, advertising on sites such as Collegerefund2020.com, are seeking class-action status on behalf of hundreds of thousands of students. While legal experts say the suits face high hurdles, they could potentially involve billions of dollars in claims.

To justify annual prices that can top $70,000 a year, colleges have long advertised their on-campus experience, including close contact with professors and peers who will become a lifelong network.

Now, millions of students are instead studying online. Many of the suits are seeking compensation for the difference in value between the virtual and in-person experience. Plaintiffs include Grainger Rickenbaker, a freshman majoring in real estate management and development at Philadelphia’s Drexel University, which charges more than $50,000 in tuition and another $16,000 in room, board and other fees.

“I am missing out on everything that Drexel’s campus has to offer -- from libraries, the gym, computer labs, study rooms and lounges, dining halls,” said Rickenbaker, 21, who is suing for a partial refund as he works remotely from his home in Charleston, South Carolina.

Most colleges declined to comment on the suits. The California State System said it would defend itself against a complaint that understates the services it’s still providing. Arizona State said it was giving a $1,500 credit to all students who moved out of university housing by April 15.

Peter McDonough, general counsel for American Council on Education, a college trade group, said schools are battling circumstances outside their control. They’re putting tremendous time and resources into supporting remote learning, while still paying professors and bearing other costs, he said.

“Faculty and staff are literally working around the clock,” McDonough said. “We’re in the middle of a catastrophe. Schools are doing their best to work their way through it.”

Some colleges, including Harvard, Columbia, Middlebury and Swarthmore, have agreed to refund unused room and board. Others are offering credits or haven’t decided what to do, according to Jim Hundrieser, a vice president at the National Association of College and University Business Officers.

Payments can add up. Small residential institutions, for instance, may be refunding $2 million to $3 million, while large schools with several thousand on-campus students are likely to return $8 million to $20 million or more, Hundrieser said.

For individual students, the funds can be quite a boon in an economic crisis. A college charging about $8,000 for a semester’s room and board that canceled midway might be sending students a check of about $4,000.

The federal suits vary in their demands. The Anastopoulo Law Firm in Charleston represents students at roughly a dozen schools, including Drexel, and is seeking a partial return of all unreimbursed payments.

In its suits on behalf of California public college students, Chicago-based DiCello Levitt Gutzler is asking only for the return of student fees for such items as transportation and student organizations, which can nevertheless total thousands of dollars a year.

Both the University of California and the California State systems have already agreed to return unused room-and-board. Cal State said it’s still providing services, such as counseling, and will refund fees “that have been unearned by the campus.”


However the complaints are decided, they highlight the stakes for the $600 billion-plus a year higher education industry. Public universities rely on tuition and fees for 20% of their total revenues; private non-profit colleges, 30%, according to the most recent federal data.

In the fall, if many schools open only online, they would forfeit room and board fees and face pressure to charge less tuition. Many are predicting that the pandemic will put financially fragile institutions out of business.

Colleges can expect to see more suits soon, threatening what attorney Anthony Pierce called “an economic tsunami.” On Thursday alone, students filed complaints against Pennsylvania State University, Brown and the University of Pennsylvania, which called the suit against it “misdirected and wholly without merit.” Brown said the crisis hasn’t changed the “core value” of its education.

“The plaintiffs’ bar sees an opportunity here,” said Pierce, a partner heading the Washington office of Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP who recently alerted colleges about the suits’ risks.

The outcome may depend on the paperwork both parties signed. Students are more likely to prevail if they can point to contract terms requiring specific services, according to Joe Brennan, a Vermont Law School professor who is tracking the litigation.

Students generally have housing contracts, just like renters of an apartment, said Barry Burgdorf, a former general counsel for the University of Texas system who is now at Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman LLP. Families typically don’t have written agreements spelling out exactly what tuition covers.

Colleges will likely argue that they’re excused from past obligations because the pandemic and government shutdown orders made the regular delivery of services impossible.

Even if students can’t point to particular contract provisions, they’re making claims of “unjust enrichment,” arguing that it’s unfair for the schools to profit from services they didn’t provide.

Some of the suits are seeking compensation for what is known as “diminution of value,” or the difference between the worth of an on-campus education and one delivered online.

Depending on how courts view any disparity, the sums could surpass housing refunds. (Many students, however, pay far less than those published tuition prices because of scholarships.)

Still, courts have been reluctant to try to value one type of degree over another, according to Burgdorf. Another challenge: If judges don’t grant class-action status, most students wouldn’t find it worthwhile to pursue claims on their own.

Some students, like Cornell senior Joshua Zhu, haven’t signed on to a lawsuit but are cheering from the sidelines and could ultimately benefit. The 22-year-old information science major is logging on to classes from an off-campus apartment in Ithaca, New York, where he battles spotty Wi-Fi and misses working in an artificial intelligence lab.

“The tuition we paid to come to Cornell was with the expectation that we would have in-person classes and everything that came along with that,” Zhu said. “It almost seems like a breach of contract.”

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005




quote:

Payments can add up. Small residential institutions, for instance, may be refunding $2 million to $3 million, while large schools with several thousand on-campus students are likely to return $8 million to $20 million or more, Hundrieser said.


So, 3-10% of an FBS team's football revenue?

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

There's only one prescription for Nazism and it's 76mm HVAP


Ultra Carp

Speaking of colleges doing dumb things, here's my alma mater!

https://twitter.com/politico/status...9490785281?s=20

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Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?




https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelc...399876528779267

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