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Hey, is that the truth or are you talking trash? Is your game MVP like Steve Nash?
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NBA officials freely moving in and out of the „bubble“ is a hilarious wrinkle. Just cancel the season already.
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Jul 1, 2020 14:03
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Steve Nash would never have hosed Matt Barnes' wife.
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Jul 1, 2020 15:10
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Steve Nash would never have hosed Matt Barnes' wife. That was Derek Fisher. Kidd had that weird thing with Toni Braxton I think.
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Jul 1, 2020 15:18
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The story was that Jason Kidd and Jim Jackson had a huge falling out that eventually ended with Kidd getting traded because Braxton ditched Kidd to go on a date with Jackson but I think everyone who was on the Mavs at the time says it never happened.
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Jul 1, 2020 15:32
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How does Chris Paul compare with Nash and Kidd?
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Jul 1, 2020 15:44
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iamsosmrt posted:How does Chris Paul compare with Nash and Kidd?
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Jul 1, 2020 15:47
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Chris Paul has a real case as best PG of all time and I don’t think Nash or Kidd have anything close to it.
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Penisaurus Sex posted:Chris Paul has a real case as best PG of all time and I don’t think Nash or Kidd have anything close to it. Magic was still clearly better and Stockton will likely have the better career, but those are really the only people I would put in a conversation with CP3.
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Jul 1, 2020 15:49
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Cp3 without question the second best pg I've ever seen. Dude was better than Nash after his 3rd year in the league lol
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Jul 1, 2020 15:55
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chris paul is way better than nash but i think they're close on the severity of their incredibly fast decline and twilight of their careers. nash breaking every bone in his body as soon as he left phoenix was weird and the kobe-dwight-nash lakers never being good was real funny. chris paul being banished to okc by jim harden was also darkly funny
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Shear Modulus posted:chris paul is way better than nash but i think they're close on the severity of their incredibly fast decline and twilight of their careers. nash breaking every bone in his body as soon as he left phoenix was weird and the kobe-dwight-nash lakers never being good was real funny. chris paul being banished to okc by jim harden was also darkly funny Except Chris Paul has been really good there.
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Jul 1, 2020 16:06
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I agree about CP3 being better. It's just interesting how much circumstance and luck can help determine someone's career though. Like CP3's accolades and accomplishments never quite hit the same highs as Nash and Kidd but he's nearly a perfect PG.
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Jul 1, 2020 16:06
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Well that's what happens when you blow a trip to the wfc to Corey Brewer and Josh Smith
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Jul 1, 2020 16:08
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Henchman of Santa posted:Except Chris Paul has been really good there. Yeah Paul is still like an All NBA type guard he hasn't really declined that much. Paul should also have a MVP but voters got guilted into giving Kobe a lifetime achievement award he didn't deserve. I don't really see how Kidd has more accolades though. He has a ring but it was as a role player and they're pretty much even on All NBA teams and All Star teams MourningView fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Jul 1, 2020 |
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Jul 1, 2020 16:13
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MourningView posted:Yeah Paul is still like an All NBA type guard he hasn't really declined that much. Kidd did lead two teams to the Finals (and got annihilated after making it through a much weaker conference)
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Jul 1, 2020 16:14
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https://twitter.com/johncanzanobft/status/1278339063360020482?s=20
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Henchman of Santa posted:Kidd did lead two teams to the Finals (and got annihilated after making it through a much weaker conference) I mean yeah but any of those Lob City Clipper teams would have steamrolled the east back then.
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Jul 1, 2020 16:16
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https://twitter.com/cclark3000/status/1278340461896351745?s=20 e: also, I don't know if this counts as slimming down or bulking up for Zion: https://twitter.com/FearTheBrown/status/1278339203437297669?s=20
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Jul 1, 2020 16:21
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I never watched Magic play live because I was too young (born 1990) but the argument I'd make based on watching replays of 80's games for Paul over Magic is 1. Magic didn't really play defense well. No one did in those days outside of centers, while CP3 is one of (if not) the best defensive PGs of all time. Does this make up for the offensive differences? Not sure. 2. Magic played the majority of his career with the best player of all time, who could still lead a team to a finals win as late as 1985. Hell, even in '87 Kareem was arguably better than any teammate Paul has ever played with.
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MourningView posted:Yeah Paul is still like an All NBA type guard he hasn't really declined that much. Maybe not accolades exactly (I'm not going to add up all their awards to compare) but Kidd's height as the Nets PG propelled his already great career up a few notches at least as far how I remember his media coverage through his career. His reputation was great enough to get him 2 undeserved HC jobs despite never proving himself. And to be fair to CP3, recency bias put a pretty big hit on him from his time in Houston. He's been doing great resuscitating his career in OKC, but it feels like only a handful of people even notice.
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Penisaurus Sex posted:I never watched Magic play live because I was too young (born 1990) but the argument I'd make based on watching replays of 80's games for Paul over Magic is 1. To be fair, I think Magic played defense according to what was dictated by his team and his era. He got the results he wanted. 2. You could also make the case that Kareem's career was so effective for so long in large part because of how good Magic and the Lakers were. That was a great team and they balanced and complimented each other well.
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iamsosmrt posted:1. To be fair, I think Magic played defense according to what was dictated by his team and his era. He got the results he wanted. yeah it's a dumb thing to argue about. I miss basketball.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Except Chris Paul has been really good there. oh ok i haven't been paying attention to him lol. i just remembered that harden wanted him gone
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Jul 1, 2020 16:34
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chris paul is a loser, a whiny "gamemanship" baby and isn't even better than Isiah Thomas
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MourningView posted:I mean yeah but any of those Lob City Clipper teams would have steamrolled the east back then. Oh for sure, I’m agreeing with you. Just that Kidd technically made it that far while Paul has always had stumbling blocks in a much, much tougher conference.
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in a lot of ways cp3 is just matthew dellevadova with no hustle
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Jul 1, 2020 16:46
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This kind of poo poo infuriates me to no end. Just a failure of promotion: https://twitter.com/DuncanSmithNBA/status/1278107302747418626?s=20
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Kibner posted:This kind of poo poo infuriates me to no end. Just a failure of promotion: Yeah that is a really bad opinion
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The real best point guards are of course Bob Cousy and Oscar Robertson. Now gaze at this real picture of Vladimir Radmanovic: https://twitter.com/seth_rosenthal/status/1278351498259435522?s=21
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Henchman of Santa posted:Oh for sure, I’m agreeing with you. Just that Kidd technically made it that far while Paul has always had stumbling blocks in a much, much tougher conference. To be fair to Kidd, comparing the Lob City Clips to those Nets goes way beyond Kidd vs CP3. Those Clippers were like 10x better than the Kidd Nets top to bottom outside of the PG positions.
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Henchman of Santa posted:The real best point guards are of course Bob Cousy and Oscar Robertson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP7n41CURKc And then the time he wrecked his shoulder snowboarding and lied about it
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https://mobile.twitter.com/mcuban/status/1278352394045153280 mark cuban with a powerful self own
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In all honesty cp3 has declined quite a bit because he's lost a lot of stamina. He still has the skills of an all nba player but he can only use them in spurts. He learned to give up the reigns and take command when needed which is why okc has made so many amazing comebacks (and why they are in those positions anyway lol)
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Metapod posted:In all honesty cp3 has declined quite a bit because he's lost a lot of stamina. He still has the skills of an all nba player but he can only use them in spurts. He learned to give up the reigns and take command when needed which is why okc has made so many amazing comebacks (and why they are in those positions anyway lol) Not really stamina as much as his surgically repaired knee tissue can't take the abuse for as long anymore. He's had to manage that since the injury in his NOLA days.
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Metapod posted:In all honesty cp3 has declined quite a bit because he's lost a lot of stamina. He still has the skills of an all nba player but he can only use them in spurts. He learned to give up the reigns and take command when needed which is why okc has made so many amazing comebacks (and why they are in those positions anyway lol) CP3 was never the same after his knee injury in NOLA. That version of CP3 really owned. edit: what Kibner said above.
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Declan MacManus posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/mcuban/status/1278352394045153280 while true, I still am enjoying that he appears to just be constantly going on Hannity to own him repeatedly and Hannity just keeps inviting him back for unknown reasons
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CP3 vs Nash, CP3 is way better but comparing them at their peaks isn't as ridiculous. I think Nash generally had a bigger impact than most advanced stats gives him credit for, but his peak was pretty short since he was a late bloomer and fell off pretty fast, whereas CP3 got really good right away and has aged pretty gracefully. I still think CP3's peak was better but if you're generous to Nash's peak you can kinda have them in the same neighborhood. CP3 was also robbed of an MVP.
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Jul 1, 2020 17:26
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Yeah that's true but that was also 10 years ago and the difference between how was in Houston year 1 and how he is now is big ie he got old
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Steve Nash's last assist owns because it was just done to pass Mark Jackson. I might be misremembering but I think Jackson may have been calling that game.
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