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Batman 1989 absolutely doesn't hold up. I got to see a rewatch in a theater and it's astounding how badly it plays when it's just you, a giant screen, and no distractions. The movie starts 3 times, has a pointless narrative of "who is the Batman?" that drags the first act including at least one fakeout, and for all the credit the production design deserves to get a remarkable amount of the movie looks like expensive redressed versions of the '66 show right down to color palette. It was such a bore I walked out during the third act. Batman Returns I think holds up a bit better because it's such a vignette piece with like three competing main plots, so some pockets are really energetic or arresting and others can be ignored more in totality. It's a rare movie I would say can be really good and really bad simultaneously with neither version really edging the other out, or even conflicting all that badly. And with hindsight, the Schumacher Batman movies don't suck because they're camp or have a gay man's aesthetic vision, but because Schumacher isn't funny. He's like Taika Waititi in that all he has the actors do is mug at the camera and throw a goofy spin on the line delivery, and it ends up sapping the production of energy. At least Taika was smart enough to leverage The Office's Jim face to nudge the audience and go "see you're in on it too" to make Ragnarok play to wide audiences. I hate that style, but I get why it appeals. Schmacher's stuff just falls flat unless you divorce them entirely from context into bite-size clips.
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May 24, 2020 03:39
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I've been rewatching Batman Beyond clips and that show was just as good, and in some ways better than B:TAS which late Gen-X and Millennials tend to overpraise a bit. I've mentioned it before but basically the team was so good at finding creative ways to "not kill" the bad guys that they ended up coming up with some supreme PG body horror. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G26h0NBTmgw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZPK1qfNqXE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNZ0n-OGMDg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbPQuZ7VMkg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AEwFhB9WTk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnrPREVR5pM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2xTLyIh1L0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LGO4eLijz8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_SUAtAu9DE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etst4t3ES8Y It was "What if Spider-Man were Iron Man Jr., in Blade Runner's world with just a dash of GATTACA?" It's honestly a loving pity that Warner Brothers is deathly allergic to Batman's monster side.
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May 25, 2020 09:03
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Bogus Adventure posted:I liked Batman Beyond until it established that Bruce hosed Babs in the DCAU, and had Tim Drake tortured/brainwashed into becoming Joker Junior. The first is a really weird and gross fetish of Bruce Timm's, and something that I can't buy that Bruce Wayne would do to Dick Grayson. The second is just looking at A Death in the Family and deciding that the part about torturing tweens is cool and good. I liked the Tim Drake stuff though. It felt like an appropriate climax for both the Joker and the Bat-Family in the Beyond world. It's sick, but no more than most of the other gothic cyberpunk stuff.
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May 25, 2020 23:59
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