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Asterite34 posted:Han is Space Burt Reynolds and the Falcon is his kickass Trans Am he uses to evade Space Buford T Justice while smuggling Space Coors across Space State lines And once he picked up a hitchhiker for weed money.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:...I do wonder if the Naboo royal yacht is meant to be a compare-and-contrast to it in A New Hope, given it's loosely around the same size but the opposite in every way, and even has the whole stopover at Tatooine because it's a fussy hangar queen. (Rhyme not intended, but hey) I would say that the Naboo Royal Yacht is considerably larger than the Falcon, not from some EU lorebook, but from the fact that the Queen's whole retinue is pretty sizable to be carrying around with it. There's not a whole lot of good scale reference points, but it sure doesn't look very cramped onboard. It may still be small enough that having so many astromechs was excessive, but it worked. What it does form a parallel with is the Sith Infiltrator, Darth Maul's ship, which is absurdly large for one guy, but has an interestingly similar general shape to the Yacht. I think there's some lore indications that most of that space is used for its fancy-schmancy one-of-a-kind stealth system, which is also totally irrelevant through the course of the movie. There's some funny lore about it where it was built by one of the top (evil) shipwrights in the galaxy, but after Maul got sliced up, it spent most of the rest of its operational life being impounded and just vaguely inspiring a few other shipbuilders who got the chance to study it.
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May 20, 2025 06:34
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Yeah, I would assume any sort of Royal space yacht is going to be pretty spacious, as like you know designed for comfort. Probably large private bedrooms for the royals, and a large dinning space as well. Like there's no point having a royal yacht that isn't comfortable and luxurious and looking at the size of their place the royals clearly have money and like things opulent.
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May 20, 2025 07:05
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dr_rat posted:So Han just mostly smuggles drugs right?
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Splicer posted:Just death sticks. Well Princess Leia's gonna be real disappointed he doesn't have a regular supply of coke flowing through 
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May 20, 2025 08:06
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Splicer posted:Just death sticks. I thought there was spice too. (The Imperials are english and are strongly opposed to food having flavour)
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May 20, 2025 09:05
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The Lone Badger posted:There’s no such thing as ‘down’ in space meaning the top is the side. Then why does the B-Wing have a rotating cockpit, HMMM? (You're right of course but given that Star Wars ships exist basically on a spectrum between "airplanes" and "battleships" I wonder if it ever really occurred to Lucas to use that in a design factor aside from the B-Wing and Boba Fett's ship.) The Lone Badger posted:I thought there was spice too. Lemniscate Blue fucked around with this message at 11:05 on May 20, 2025 |
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May 20, 2025 11:02
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Then why does the B-Wing have a rotating cockpit, HMMM? Officially it's to compensate for gyroscopic forces in-flight. Unofficially it's so you can set the cockpit a-spinnin' while you play Shooting Stars on comms so everyone else knows how funny and cool you are.
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May 20, 2025 14:43
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Then why does the B-Wing have a rotating cockpit, HMMM? I was just gonna say that the Falcon is probably a tricky one there since it's somewhere in the middle of that metaphor spectrum; the Falcon corresponds less to a van or truck or even a plane but a smuggler's ship from the Age of Sail, a swift and well designed sailing ship up-armed with extra cannons and customised with extra sails to give it speed and agility to handle the roughest storms and outfox larger vessels. (Heck, the Black Pearl isn't a bad comparison and probably was inspired by it, the Going Merry also comes to mind) No coincidence that the main substance being smuggled is usually Spice. (and not just the Dune reference but what Dune was referencing in the first place) However, it's definitely also got elements of a souped-up project car that's both exceptional and constantly breaking down. (think the BTTF DeLorean)
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May 21, 2025 08:01
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Ghost Leviathan posted:[and not just the Dune reference but what Dune was referencing in the first place) Oil?
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May 21, 2025 10:19
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On the other hand, Luke says his dad was a navigator on a spice freighter, making it sound pretty mundane and not something equivalent to 'drug smuggler.'
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May 21, 2025 14:18
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Spice is probably heavily regulated and taxed, so I bet he was trying to get around that. Like people who resell duty free cigarettes from reservations.
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May 21, 2025 14:26
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The Lone Badger posted:The real question is why doesn’t it have a sweet wizard painted on the side? Part of the point of it being a (supposedly) fairly common YT-1300 is that it flew (LOL) under the radar and was generally unremarkable. 'Oh look, it is that dickhead with the wizard YT we busted last week. Again.' doesn't exactly help in the smugglin' game.
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THE BAR posted:Oil? shrooms
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SolarFire2 posted:On the other hand, Luke says his dad was a navigator on a spice freighter, making it sound pretty mundane and not something equivalent to 'drug smuggler.'
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May 21, 2025 16:14
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I do have a bit of a vague idea about Star Wars being like early America, which at the time was a bunch of settlements kinda isolated with eachother, but there was a huge mix of nationalities between various flavors of Europeans (at least before England won out and blocked out the Dutch, French, and various would-be attempts like the Swedes, but even after there were a whole bunch of Germans), and the various native peoples from widely different tribes. Hop on a boat, and it won't take you too long to end up somewhere with radically different people. And then there's the smuggling, which was fairly vital for the colonial economy because the crown actually didn't want the colonies trading with eachother or getting into complex manufacturing, but it's so much easier if you don't have to get everything froom all the way across the ocean. And then the smuggling turned into a whole nationalistic rallying point when the crown started levying taxes that colonists wanted to avoid.
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THE BAR posted:Oil? Well yes, but more by name, exotic spices being one of the most valuable things to trade in. Could well be that Spice refers to a broad range of things including space tobacco and space cocaine. Robert Facepalmer posted:Part of the point of it being a (supposedly) fairly common YT-1300 is that it flew (LOL) under the radar and was generally unremarkable. Actually has come up itt that the Falcon being constantly repaired and modified means its sensor profile is constantly changing. Something similar also comes up with The Mandalorian's old space RV where its age is actually an advantage, predating the Empire meaning it isn't flagged as an Imperial or Rebellion design that might raise attention from authorities. Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 06:11 on May 22, 2025 |
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SolarFire2 posted:On the other hand, Luke says his dad was a navigator on a spice freighter, making it sound pretty mundane and not something equivalent to 'drug smuggler.' I bet a full 95% of rural Tattooians are spice addicts. He was p chill about going to the Imperial Academy too.
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May 22, 2025 13:34
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theflyingexecutive posted:I bet a full 95% of rural Tattooians are spice addicts. He was p chill about going to the Imperial Academy too. Look, there's like three jobs on Tatooine: harvesting the water that condenses from air conditioners, selling space weed, or selling lightly used robot slaves.
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May 22, 2025 13:41
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Asterite34 posted:Look, there's like three jobs on Tatooine: harvesting the water that condenses from air conditioners, selling space weed, or selling lightly used robot slaves. It's why everyone in the starwars universe inevitably ends up living or visiting there frequently. It's just the best place to pick up some space weed.
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May 22, 2025 13:47
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Asterite34 posted:Look, there's like three jobs on Tatooine: harvesting the water that condenses from air conditioners, selling space weed, or selling lightly used robot slaves. Also background musician for random violence.
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May 23, 2025 05:30
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SolarFire2 posted:On the other hand, Luke says his dad was a navigator on a spice freighter, making it sound pretty mundane and not something equivalent to 'drug smuggler.' A spice freighter pays taxes, a spice smuggler does not.
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I always figured "spice" was literally that and that, aside from the obvious source (Dune), George got it from old pirate/swashbuckling media where places like the Spice Islands were discussed. It was a term for a range of luxury food/medicinal type substances that were found on some planets and not others (especially since like so many franchises, planets in Star Wars are usually a single ecosystem for whatever reason) so there were freighters used for transporting the stuff.
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May 23, 2025 06:40
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the falcon reads to like a Catalina or some other flying boat to me.
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thatbastardken posted:the falcon reads to like a Catalina or some other flying boat to me. You're not wrong, spiritually speaking it's a descendant of the planes flown by 30s pulp adventure "Sky Captain of Yesteryear" types.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I always figured "spice" was literally that and that, aside from the obvious source (Dune), George got it from old pirate/swashbuckling media where places like the Spice Islands were discussed. It was a term for a range of luxury food/medicinal type substances that were found on some planets and not others (especially since like so many franchises, planets in Star Wars are usually a single ecosystem for whatever reason) so there were freighters used for transporting the stuff. seems pretty clearly that was the idea back in 77 when spice was just the passing reference to "navigator on a spice freighter" and "sent to the spice mines of kessel". spice as an illegal narcotic comes later in the EU stuff then appears in the cartoons and the Boba Fett show. dunno if that was something EU writers came up with or Lucas came up with after the movie and passed on to them. it's not the only line of the first movie rendered incongruous by lore established in later sequels/prequels/spin-offs. not even the only line in that short conversation. what's the half-life on any part of the Episode IV before later changes/additions means it doesn't quite make sense?
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Dune came out in 1965 and Star Wars was in production ten years later. Also Lucas has always been a huge hack at writing, so there is a zero percent chance that the term “spice” coming from a “desert planet” is not one ripping off the other in a way vague enough not to get sued.
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Lol trying to call out Star Wars for ripping things off
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Asterite34 posted:Look, there's like three jobs on Tatooine: harvesting the water that condenses from air conditioners, selling space weed, or selling lightly used robot slaves. Pfft. "Lightly used" droids don't have bad motivators. 
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The thing I never really understood about the Falcon was the turret design/orientation. We see Luke and Han slide down or climb up ladders to get to them, but the brief interior shots of the turret seem to show them sitting in a chair with the tube behind them. Also the windows are clearly just on the topside/underside of the ship, there's no 'cab' sticking out for either turret. Are they strapped into the chairs (I've never noticed this), or is there some sort of artificial gravity shift once you enter the turret?
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Mister Speaker posted:The thing I never really understood about the Falcon was the turret design/orientation. There’s some sort of artificial gravity shift once you enter the turret.
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Zoran posted:There’s some sort of artificial gravity shift once you enter the turret. Similar to the gravity shift on the Death Star between the surface levels and the interior (most jarringly around the equatorial dock trench).
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I don't think the surface of the Death Star has any extra artificial gravity if the Imperials can help it, just what it naturally has from being a very massive object floating out away from any other major gravity wells.jeeves posted:Dune came out in 1965 and Star Wars was in production ten years later. Also Lucas has always been a huge hack at writing, so there is a zero percent chance that the term “spice” coming from a “desert planet” is not one ripping off the other in a way vague enough not to get sued. It's not hack writing, it's a pastiche. Spice doesn't come from the desert planet Tattooine, it comes from Kessel. Although the fact that it has to be mined may be a little Duney. Although it's just one of very many throwaway background details that if you're not paying attention or being pointed towards it by internet randos, you'll never notice. Although in weird twist, the lie about what Luke's father did turned into actually a creative half-truth, as it turns out for a significant part of the Clone Wars, Anakin was flying this thing around, a captured Spice Freighter.  Although it's never really clarified what kind of spice it was carrying before Anakin got it. He got it from a Hutt stronghold, which they're mobsters, but they're also fat fucks who eat a lot of food. The Hutt in question apparently was also supposed to be fairly small-time. Ahsoka at the very end of Clone Wars went very hostile at the idea of transporting definitely-defined-as-a-drug Spice, in a way that she never seemed concerned before.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Also background musician for random violence. they were on tour
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Let's just assume "spice" is a slang term for any cargo with a very high value-per-volume ratio.
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Cerv posted:seems pretty clearly that was the idea back in 77 when spice was just the passing reference to "navigator on a spice freighter" and "sent to the spice mines of kessel". Ah, see I've never interacted with the EU beyond the X-Wing video games and the Clone Wars cartoon. Makes everything much less stupid.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I do wonder if the Naboo royal yacht is meant to be a compare-and-contrast to it in A New Hope, given it's loosely around the same size but the opposite in every way, and even has the whole stopover at Tatooine because it's a fussy hangar queen. (Rhyme not intended, but hey) A hilarious little gag from the Incredible Cross Sections book for AotC, was how the entry for Padme’s new ship she rode to Coruscant was all about the different things that had gone wrong with her old ship from TPM (leaky hyperdrive, weak shields, too easily tracked by Sith Lords, etc) and all the cool new features the Naboo built into the new ship to insure none of those things would ever happen again. Then the movie starts and the ship immediately explodes because someone just put a bomb on it.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Ah, see I've never interacted with the EU beyond the X-Wing video games and the Clone Wars cartoon. Makes everything much less stupid. The X-Wing books are pretty fun and not terrible.
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I like to believe that spice in Star Wars is a fantastic drug because, just like in Dune, it gives you prophetic powers. Why? I dunno, high in midichlorians or something. So when the Emperor starts exterminating all the Jedi, it would make sense to ban spice as well. Stops random people from developing their space wizard powers. Kinda like LSD and the CIA 
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Getting hosed up on Spice to grow your Dark Side power is apparently an ancient Sith technique. And must be something given the Dark Side seems to have the effect of a mountain of cocaine by default.
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